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Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

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In what is being reported as a surprise move, the 40,000 members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) announced that they have formally ended their association with the AFL-CIO, one of the nation’s largest private sector unions. The Longshoremen citied Obamacare and immigration reform as two important causes of their disaffiliation.

Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

Ironic isn't it, Obama is screwing the very people that got him re-elected
 
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If you read the actual letter, ObamaCare is mentioned twice in 2 different sentences in what is literally a 3 page letter. Their problems are boiled down to this:

1. Attacks by affiliates.
2. Job security.
3. ILWU frustration with the Federation being too moderate.

Good hit piece though. We wouldn't expect Libertarians to actually read the letter that was being cited.

ILWU Disaffiliation 8-29-2013
 

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If you read the actual letter, ObamaCare is mentioned twice in 2 different sentences in what is literally a 3 page letter. Their problems are boiled down to this:

1. Attacks by affiliates.
2. Job security.
3. ILWU frustration with the Federation being too moderate.

Good hit piece though. We wouldn't expect Libertarians to actually read the letter that was being cited.

ILWU Disaffiliation 8-29-2013

Unions were betrayed by Obamacare, many union members are being forced into earlier retirement so their spouse coverage costs do not change on them. Obama lied to evey union person when discussing this plan. Some will support him to the end but the smarter ones are beginning to wake up.
 

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Unions were betrayed by Obamacare, many union members are being forced into earlier retirement so their spouse coverage costs do not change on them. Obama lied to evey union person when discussing this plan. Some will support him to the end but the smarter ones are beginning to wake up.

You still haven't read the letter cited have you? In a letter that is mostly about the ILWU having a beef with the AFL, you decided that the reason the ILWU was REALLY leaving was because of a tax that is mentioned in what are literally 2 sentences. Read the letter. Then, get back to me. Until then - you're just one more ignorant Libertarian talking out of the side of his mouth.
 

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You still haven't read the letter cited have you? In a letter that is mostly about the ILWU having a beef with the AFL, you decided that the reason the ILWU was REALLY leaving was because of a tax that is mentioned in what are literally 2 sentences. Read the letter. Then, get back to me. Until then - you're just one more ignorant Libertarian talking out of the side of his mouth.

I read the letter but that on enforces what is in the thread title, many more union members will be following this one as Obama did to them what he has done to everyone while telling them he was on their side. Obama is a POS.
 

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Unions were betrayed by Obamacare, many union members are being forced into earlier retirement so their spouse coverage costs do not change on them. Obama lied to evey union person when discussing this plan. Some will support him to the end but the smarter ones are beginning to wake up.

They won't stop supporting the democrats because they are idiots. I have been saying it since I got here and will be saying it after I am gone--the entire US trade policy is based upon what is good for GM and the autoworkers unions. They will sell every other worker and union down the river if it means they can sell 100 more Buicks to China. It has been this way since the 80's. Why the democrats are worse than the GOP on this IMO, is that the democratic intelligentsia looks down their noses at blue-collar workers and just uses them as pawns. They could give a rat's ass about the little man.
 

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You still haven't read the letter cited have you? In a letter that is mostly about the ILWU having a beef with the AFL, you decided that the reason the ILWU was REALLY leaving was because of a tax that is mentioned in what are literally 2 sentences. Read the letter. Then, get back to me. Until then - you're just one more ignorant Libertarian talking out of the side of his mouth.
Spoken like a true, arrogant liberal. Excuse me, Very liberal.
 

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They won't stop supporting the democrats because they are idiots. I have been saying it since I got here and will be saying it after I am gone--the entire US trade policy is based upon what is good for GM and the autoworkers unions. They will sell every other worker and union down the river if it means they can sell 100 more Buicks to China. It has been this way since the 80's. Why the democrats are worse than the GOP on this IMO, is that the democratic intelligentsia looks down their noses at blue-collar workers and just uses them as pawns. They could give a rat's ass about the little man.

Yeah they are going to turn to the the Republicans that want them gone lol. I read the letter and it mention ACA twice! Plus it is 11% of the total Union. I am going to take a nap now wake me up when you have something worht reading!
 

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Yeah they are going to turn to the the Republicans that want them gone lol. I read the letter and it mention ACA twice! Plus it is 11% of the total Union. I am going to take a nap now wake me up when you have something worht reading!

... Twice, halfway down the 2nd page, in passing.
 

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Yeah they are going to turn to the the Republicans that want them gone lol. I read the letter and it mention ACA twice! Plus it is 11% of the total Union. I am going to take a nap now wake me up when you have something worht reading!

And that was once too many. ACA is the fleecing of the American Tax Payer, end of story.
 

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I expect you not to read it. Not critically anyways.

Page three backs up the thread title completely, me thinks you stopped at page 2.:roll:
 

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And that was once too many. ACA is the fleecing of the American Tax Payer, end of story.

Your point because they mentioned it two times that the real reason. I have Lol'ed ACA isnt not fully in effect so you and the rest of the righties are guessing. Furthermore what was the Republican plan, remind me oh wait not a damned thing.
 

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I expect you not to read it. Not critically anyways.
Why would you expect me not to read it? Because of my political lean? That's a pretty stupid position to take.
 

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Page three backs up the thread title completely, me thinks you stopped at page 2.:roll:

Yes, 3rd page on TWO SENTENCES out of 3 pages is what backs up your contention that the REAL reason the ILWU is leaving is because of ObamaCare. And not the AFL's violations of solidarity agreements, attacks on the ILWU by the AFL, lack of support - yes, those two sentences are REALLY the reason they're leaving - and not the fact that the AFL has basically backstabbed the ILWU on a number of more serious occasions.

Keep trying Rocketman, you obviously didn't read the letter to begin with. Now you're stuck trying to roll the ball. Please, tell me - why is it that the ILWU is leaving the AFL-ICO and only mentions the real reason after 2 and a half pages and on 2 short sentences? It doesn't mention it for 2.9 pages and then picks two measly sentences to cite its real reason? Is that what you want us to believe?
 
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Why would you expect me not to read it? Because of my political lean? That's a pretty stupid position to take.

I don't expect Libertarians to be a bright bunch. :shrug:
 

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Your point because they mentioned it two times that the real reason. I have Lol'ed ACA isnt not fully in effect so you and the rest of the righties are guessing. Furthermore what was the Republican plan, remind me oh wait not a damned thing.

It is affecting the unions more than it is non union people like myself. ACA has caused me to see increases larger that the last ten years before ACA combined. Unions are making decisions now based on what happens in 2014. Instead of letting your handlers tell you what to believe and say you should talk to some people you know that are in unions especially those so called cadillac plans then maybe you might appear more credible here.
 

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Yes, 3rd page on TWO SENTENCES out of 3 pages is what backs up your contention that the REAL reason the ILWU is leaving is because of ObamaCare. And not the AFL's violations of solidarity agreements, attacks on the ILWU by the AFL, lack of support - yes, those two sentences are REALLY the reason they're leaving - and not the fact that the AFL has basically backstabbed its own members on a number of occasions.

Again, your comprehension skills are very questionable. Do you not understand basic math?
 

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I don't expect Libertarians to be a bright bunch. :shrug:
I guess that make you libertarian then. Either that or just another liberal who cant compose a rational argument without hurling broad brush insults. For the record, I read the letter. Ironically, I came to the same conclusion you did. But that presents us with a problem now doesn't it. Either I am a liberal (which I am not) or your initial argument was fallacious and stupid.
 

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Again, your comprehension skills are very questionable. Do you not understand basic math?

I asked you already: Why is it the reason for leaving the ALF-CIO is only mentioned on two sentences halfway down the 3rd page?
 

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I guess that make you libertarian then. Either that or just another liberal who cant compose a rational argument without hurling broad brush insults. For the record, I read the letter. Ironically, I came to the same conclusion you did. But that presents us with a problem now doesn't it. Either I am a liberal (which I am not) or your initial argument was fallacious and stupid.

You're a Liberal. :shrug: - Libertarians don't have reading comprehension skills.

See: OP.
 

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I asked you already: Why is it the reason for leaving the ALF-CIO is only mentioned on two sentences halfway down the 3rd page?

Are you serious? did you count commas too? OMFG! how many times was "the" used?:lol::lol::lamo
 
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