CIA in Ukraine for a decade or more? Listening posts and spy bases along Russian border?

[MrNiceGuy]

The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin​

For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.

The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin

For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.

www.nytimes.com

But the partnership is no wartime creation, nor is Ukraine the only beneficiary.

It took root a decade ago, coming together in fits and starts under three very different U.S. presidents, pushed forward by key individuals who often took daring risks. It has transformed Ukraine, whose intelligence agencies were long seen as thoroughly compromised by Russia, into one of Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today.

The listening post in the Ukrainian forest is part of a C.I.A.-supported network of spy bases constructed in the past eight years that includes 12 secret locations along the Russian border.

Around 2016, the C.I.A. began training an elite Ukrainian commando force — known as Unit 2245 — which captured Russian drones and communications gear so that C.I.A. technicians could reverse-engineer them and crack Moscow’s encryption systems.

And the C.I.A. also helped train a new generation of Ukrainian spies who operated inside Russia, across Europe, and in Cuba and other places where the Russians have a large presence.

In 2015, Gen. Valeriy Kondratiuk, then Ukraine’s head of military intelligence, arrived at a meeting with the C.I.A.’s deputy station chief and without warning handed over a stack of top-secret files.

That initial tranche contained secrets about the Russian Navy’s Northern Fleet, including detailed information about the latest Russian nuclear submarine designs

Toward the end of 2021, according to a senior European official, Mr. Putin was weighing whether to launch his full-scale invasion when he met with the head of one of Russia’s main spy services, who told him that the C.I.A., together with Britain’s MI6, were controlling Ukraine and turning it into a beachhead for operations against Moscow.

And,

NYT: CIA network of bases in Ukraine at risk if US does not pass aid https://news.yahoo.com/nyt-cia-network-bases-ukraine-123116608.html​

 

[MrNiceGuy]

New York Times report demolishes the narrative of the “unprovoked war” in Ukraine​

The Times report demonstrates that this Russian intelligence assessment was absolutely true. For more than a decade, dating back to 2014, the CIA was building up, training and arming Ukrainian intelligence and paramilitary forces that were engaging in assassinations and other provocations against pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine, against Russian forces in Crimea and across the border into Russia itself.

In other words, Ukrainian paramilitary forces that were armed, funded and led by the United States and NATO were systematically assassinating forces supporting closer relations with Russia.

The newspaper’s account begins with the Maidan Coup of February 2014, when right-wing and neo-Nazi forces backed by the US and the European Union overthrew the elected pro-Russian president and installed a pro-imperialist regime headed by the billionaire Petro Poroshenko.

This coup was the culmination of two decades of imperialist inroads into the former Soviet bloc, including the expansion of NATO to include virtually all of Eastern Europe in violation of pledges made to the leaders of the former Soviet Union. The Times is silent on this earlier history, as well as on the role of the CIA in the Maidan events.

Long before the Russian invasion, the CIA was seeking to broaden its attack on Moscow. The Times reports:

The relationship [with the Ukrainian HUR] was so successful that the C.I.A. wanted to replicate it with other European intelligence services that shared a focus in countering Russia.
The head of Russia House, the C.I.A. department overseeing operations against Russia, organized a secret meeting at The Hague. There, representatives from the C.I.A., Britain’s MI6, the HUR, the Dutch service (a critical intelligence ally) and other agencies agreed to start pooling together more of their intelligence on Russia.
The result was a secret coalition against Russia—and the Ukrainians were vital members of it.

All these activities occurred well before the Russian invasion of February 2022. The outbreak of full-scale war led to even more direct CIA engagement in Ukraine. CIA agents were the only Americans not covered by the initial evacuation of US government personnel from Ukraine, removing only to western Ukraine. They continually briefed the Ukrainians on Russian military plans, including precise details of operations as they were unfolding.

New York Times report demolishes the narrative of the “unprovoked war” in Ukraine

Over the weekend, the <em>New York Times </em>published a lengthy article revealing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022 was instigated by a systematic and widespread campaign of military-intelligence aggression on the part of the United States.

www.wsws.org

 

[MrNiceGuy]

In other words, the CIA was helping direct the war, making the US government a full participant, a co-belligerent in a war with nuclear-armed Russia, despite Biden’s claim that the United States was only aiding Ukraine from afar. And all this without the American people having the slightest say in the matter.

New York Times report demolishes the narrative of the “unprovoked war” in Ukraine

Over the weekend, the <em>New York Times </em>published a lengthy article revealing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022 was instigated by a systematic and widespread campaign of military-intelligence aggression on the part of the United States.

www.wsws.org

 

[MrNiceGuy]

 

[Jredbaron96]

This is all predicted on everyone forgetting that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, not 2022.

 

[Oozlefinch]

This is all predicted on everyone forgetting that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, not 2022.

Exactly, glad somebody else was able to beat me to that.

It's funny how many people forget that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, two years before this program started. One might think that started because they were invaded and part of their nation stolen in the first place.

 

[Tangmo]

The Baltic states and Poland also border Russia and we know Putin wants 'em too. For sure, Putin wants to checkmate CIA stations at the Russian border anywhere they may exist.

MAGA Republicans in the House have only begun their work to see Their Hero Putin have his ways to include seizing any and all CIA stations in the Baltic States and Poland.

Poland borders the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad at its west between Poland and Lithuania too. Lithuania borders Belarus which has its eastern border with Russia and is in a manner of speaking owned by Putin. Poland also borders Belarus, and Ukraine too.

All of this would make a fine bulk of land for Putin to include at the south coast of the Baltic Sea east from Russia and St. Petersburg west to Germany. Putin would subsume Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and have Ukraine if US House MAGAs have their way against Ukraine. This would expand Russia to the borders of the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova. Finland, Sweden and Norway are across the eastern Baltic to the north.

The Suwalki Gap is a narrow corridor in Poland that would connect Russian forces in Belarus to the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad that is an armed camp at the eastern Baltic. Kaliningrad also houses Russian tactical nukes. Suwalki in Poland is protected by NATO but it would be extremely difficult to defend against Russian forces and weapons systems concentrated in the area.


So it's good to know the CIA has its eye on the ball in these areas that border Russia to include for so long in Ukraine. Indeed, I recall that when Putin began his invasion and sent elite paratroops to the cargo airport outside Kyiv the CIA presented Zelensky with the entire Russian battle plan of it. Ukraine forces wiped 'em out. One account of the Russian rout said a Russian colonel was so furious at his troops running for their lives he jumped into a car and started running 'em down.

 

[Sword 1944]

The Baltic states and Poland also border Russia and we know Putin wants 'em too. For sure, Putin wants to checkmate CIA stations at the Russian border anywhere they may exist.

MAGA Republicans in the House have only begun their work to see Their Hero Putin have his ways to include seizing any and all CIA stations in the Baltic States and Poland.

Poland borders the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad at its west between Poland and Lithuania too. Lithuania borders Belarus which has its eastern border with Russia and is in a manner of speaking owned by Putin. Poland also borders Belarus, and Ukraine too.

All of this would make a fine bulk of land for Putin to include at the south coast of the Baltic Sea east from Russia and St. Petersburg west to Germany. Putin would subsume Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and have Ukraine if US House MAGAs have their way against Ukraine. This would expand Russia to the borders of the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Moldova. Finland, Sweden and Norway are across the eastern Baltic to the north.

The Suwalki Gap is a narrow corridor in Poland that would connect Russian forces in Belarus to the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad that is an armed camp at the eastern Baltic. Kaliningrad also houses Russian tactical nukes. Suwalki in Poland is protected by NATO but it would be extremely difficult to defend against Russian forces and weapons systems concentrated in the area.


So it's good to know the CIA has its eye on the ball in these areas that border Russia to include for so long in Ukraine. Indeed, I recall that when Putin began his invasion and sent elite paratroops to the cargo airport outside Kyiv the CIA presented Zelensky with the entire Russian battle plan of it. Ukraine forces wiped 'em out. One account of the Russian rout said a Russian colonel was so furious at his troops running for their lives he jumped into a car and started running 'em down.

Where do you get this nonsense from? Russia wants Poland and the Baltics LOL! and the CIA have been fighting a hybrid war against the Russians sine they backed what was left of the Bandera rabble in a terrorist war after WW2.

 

[Fledermaus]

Where do you get this nonsense from? Russia wants Poland and the Baltics LOL! and the CIA have been fighting a hybrid war against the Russians sine they backed what was left of the Bandera rabble in a terrorist war after WW2.

Free nations fought against the totalitarian regimes of the USSR and her puppet states.

 

[Tangmo]

Where do you get this nonsense from? Russia wants Poland and the Baltics LOL! and the CIA have been fighting a hybrid war against the Russians sine they backed what was left of the Bandera rabble in a terrorist war after WW2.

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.


MAGA !

AKA PutinTrumpRowers.

 

[volitleaire]

This is all predicted on everyone forgetting that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, not 2022.

Russia had guarantees that Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO, yet the narrative of “NATO expansionism” persists. People who believe this narrative never seem to ask why so many countries bordering Russia want to be in NATO...

 

[volitleaire]

Where do you get this nonsense from? Russia wants Poland and the Baltics LOL! and the CIA have been fighting a hybrid war against the Russians sine they backed what was left of the Bandera rabble in a terrorist war after WW2.

“Hybrid war” is a myth. A look at the disastrous invasion of Ukraine in 2014, which was an attempt at so called “hybrid war”, is clear evidence that it takes more than sending a few million dollars to NGOs to topple a government.

 

[Sword 1944]

“Hybrid war” is a myth. A look at the disastrous invasion of Ukraine in 2014, which was an attempt at so called “hybrid war”, is clear evidence that it takes more than sending a few million dollars to NGOs to topple a government.

There was no Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, if there had been they wouldn't have had to go in again in 2022.

 

[Sword 1944]

Russia had guarantees that Ukraine wouldn’t join NATO, yet the narrative of “NATO expansionism” persists. People who believe this narrative never seem to ask why so many countries bordering Russia want to be in NATO...

Why did many Countries want to collaborate with Hitler? many of those most enthusiastic about Nato are the same ones who went for the Hitler agenda, the Baltics are the most rabid.

 

[Sword 1944]

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.


MAGA !

AKA PutinTrumpRowers.

No answer then?

 

[Sword 1944]

Free nations fought against the totalitarian regimes of the USSR and her puppet states.

I think you would have been on the wrong side in WW2.

 

[Sword 1944]

Exactly, glad somebody else was able to beat me to that.

It's funny how many people forget that Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2014, two years before this program started. One might think that started because they were invaded and part of their nation stolen in the first place.

Still repeating that garbage.

 

[Oozlefinch]

Still repeating that garbage.

What, did Russia not invade in 2014?

 

[Fledermaus]

I think you would have been on the wrong side in WW2.

I think you are talking out your ass again.

Still repeating that garbage.

Truth is not garbage.

 

[Fledermaus]

There was no Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014, if there had been they wouldn't have had to go in again in 2022.

Please lie again.

 

[Tangmo]

No answer then?

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

Is what I posted as my reply.

You are a MAGA, therefore you deny.

 

[multivita-man]

You know, I was going to dismiss this as pro-Russian nonsense, but now that you've cited Russell Brand...well, this changes everything.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You know, I was going to dismiss this as pro-Russian nonsense, but now that you've cited Russell Brand...well, this changes everything.

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Incisive. You're views on this are enlightening. Do go on.

And, yes, clearly, ya got me. The New York Times is not a good source. It's a pro-Russian propaganda piece, right? Get them on the "Putin's Pals" list! LOL

Oh, for crying out loud, you people.... no curiosity. No thought. No understanding. No desire to explore or examine an issue. You're a cheerleader, nothing more.

 

[samiam5211]

Incisive. You're views on this are enlightening. Do go on.

And, yes, clearly, ya got me. The New York Times is not a good source. It's a pro-Russian propaganda piece, right? Get them on the "Putin's Pals" list! LOL

Oh, for crying out loud, you people.... no curiosity. No thought. No understanding. No desire to explore or examine an issue. You're a cheerleader, nothing more.

Russel Brand isn't someone you should be citing if you want something to be taken seriously.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

"...the Maidan Coup of February 2014, when right-wing and neo-Nazi forces backed by the US and the European Union overthrew the elected pro-Russian president and installed a pro-imperialist regime headed by the billionaire Petro Poroshenko." https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/26/nrdz-f26.html

CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation?​

An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not​

CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation?

An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not

responsiblestatecraft.org

An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.

Within days of the February 2014 Euromaidan Revolution that culminated with the ouster of President Viktor Yanukovych and ushered in a firmly pro-Western government, the newly appointed head of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, reportedly proposed a “three-way partnership” with the CIA and MI6, the UK’s foreign intelligence service. Ukrainian security officials gradually proved their value to the U.S. by feeding the CIA intelligence on Russia, including “secret documents about the Russian Navy,” leading to the establishment of CIA bases in Ukraine to coordinate activities against Russia and various training programs for Ukrainian commandos and other elite units.

The problem, rather, is one of basic security perceptions. Moscow repeatedly warned — for many years before 2014 — that it was and remains prepared to take drastic action to prevent Ukraine from being used by the West as a forward operating base against Russia. Yet that, as recounted in lurid detail by The New York Times, is precisely what has happened over the past 10 years.

Justification is by nature a subjective exercise, but there can be little question that the activities described in this exposé constitute, from the Kremlin’s perspective, a dire provocation and would be seen as such by the United States if the situation were reversed and a rival superpower established such bases in Mexico. This perception is an inseparable part of the military and political context that shaped this war’s outbreak. It can be dismissed as paranoid, but if so it is a paranoia common to all security establishments.

It is unclear what concrete U.S. interests these joint intelligence activities served. They certainly did not facilitate de-escalation between Moscow and Kyiv or promote regional stability, goals ostensibly shared by the Obama and Trump administrations. On the other hand, it is quite easy to see how Kyiv’s deepening relationship with the CIA needlessly fed into Moscow’s worst security fears and precipitated its conclusion — whether justified or not — that it must act decisively in the face of an implacable conflict with the West over Ukraine.