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Really? That seems like exactly the type of decision that the church should make.
Abandoning principles because someone chose to make poor decisions helps how?Indeed, letting people and the unborn suffer is a form of love. This is like the Church of Ray Rice. Hahah
Abandoning principles because someone chose to make poor decisions helps how?
Didn't they actually rule on that case for the woman who was employed at the Catholic School? If this is the case - then I don't see what's wrong [legally speaking] with what they did, here.
Am I wrong on that ruling?
Yeah, for as much as they'll cry to think about the children, they sure didn't here. But I still say it's their call.
Someone doesn't get that accountability is a form of love. Ikari, you really have no concept of what the Church did, you just see "religious institution did..." and you find a way to hammer on them. You attempt to call them hypocrites, which is your implication. It's really dishonest on your part frankly. You can forgive, while holding someone accountable. You can love, while holding someone accountable, and you can be understanding while holding someone accountable. That's the part of LOVE that eludes you.
Throwing them out helps how? I'd say they would have to uphold their principles in order to love and forgive her, keeping her gainfully employed so that she can provide for her child; since we're all about the children, yeah?
Throwing them out helps how? I'd say they would have to uphold their principles in order to love and forgive her, keeping her gainfully employed so that she can provide for her child; since we're all about the children, yeah?
So ignore the failure to keep up her end of the bargain and retain an employee who doesnt show good moral character.... instead of firing her and making room for someone who is.... wow you are warped.
It's not the church's job to punish or hold accountable. They are supposed to hate the sin, love the sinner.
It's up to God to judge and hold accountable.
Kinda like some part of your basic Sunday School eluded you.
She learns a lesson for next time.Am I? So ignore the child and the life of the woman, huck her on the street so that you can employee someone more "Christ like"? That's not warped? Wasn't Jesus running around teaching people to love and forgive? Washing prostitute's feet? Telling people not to cast the first stone? Feeding the hungry? But I'm sure he would just kick an unwed pregnant mom to the curb. :roll:
She learns a lesson for next time.
Accountability is not judgement.
So ignore the failure to keep up her end of the bargain and retain an employee who doesnt show good moral character.... instead of firing her and making room for someone who is.... wow you are warped.
She is a minister in the church organization and has to follow the same guidelines.
Yeah, for as much as they'll cry to think about the children, they sure didn't here. But I still say it's their call.
I agree, the church is like a business and so they should have the right to hire or fire as they see fit. However, I am against their tax free status on income.
They are free to do so. Though it's interesting how heartless and cruel Christians can be at times.
:shrug: it depends on how she is approaching it. We all make mistakes, but refusing to acknowledge those mistakes can be problematic for people in positions of influence in a church, especially over children. If this church doesn't want to be the place where 4 year olds learn "Oh no, I don't have a husband, I just sleep around with whoever I feel like", then I can understand that.
Yeah. I mean it's not like giving people a second chance is anywhere in the bible.
It is a tough call, but the girl cannot really work for a religious organization, while blatantly flaunting religious law in public.
same church that teaches "judge not....", I'm sure, right?
1 Corinthians 6 said:2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4 Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church? 5 I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers?
Matthew 18 said:15 “If your brother or sister sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Interesting how everyone knows that verse, but no one bothers to find out what it means.
Christians are fully capable of judging deeds. What we are not to do is judge the status of someone's soul, nor assume that we are greater than another because of our ability to see their faults. This woman is certainly no better than I am (and, in all likelihood, is frankly much better of a person, if we are equal in our status as sinners).
Jesus was also clear about how to organize around public refusals to acknowledge ones' problems:
Its worth noting that the next verse (“Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be[e] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[f] loosed in heaven.) forms (as I understand it) the basis for Catholic Excommunication.
All of which remains immaterial. Forgiveness is not the same thing as continuing to allow someone to be in a position of influence over children.
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