Christopher Columbus was terrible

[Loulit01]

Not really. Columbus was never put on trial for anything and his removal as governor and stripping of his titles was most likely because of his misrepresentations to the Crown about the resources available there.

Facts make no difference to the right.

 

[tshade]

a lot was wrong.
read about him and you will see,

non-answer...................give me even ONE thing wrong with Columbus

 

[Loulit01]

non-answer...................give me even ONE thing wrong with Columbus

You didn't read the part about him selling 10-year-old native girls to his friends as sex slaves? It's not a rumor. He wrote about it in his own hand in letter that still exists.

 

[Napoleon]

You didn't read the part about him selling 10-year-old native girls to his friends as sex slaves? It's not a rumor. He wrote about it in his own hand in letter that still exists.

He didn’t. He mentioned it among many other things as an atrocity committed by rebel Spanish settlers. The portion of the letter used to claim otherwise is removed from all context to smear him.

 

[Rumpelstil]

As the barbarian Brennus told the Romans after he sacked Rome - woe to the conquered.

the Tainos were no enemies

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Hey this looks like a pretty good place......think I'll pop in here and HATE Whitey!!!

OMG I just hate them SOOOOOO much!!!!!!

 

[joluoto]

I knew that all along

but read about him again today

And he was a lot worse than i thought

Christoforo Colombo was a ****ing asshole, a rapist, slaver and murderer.
Of course, those traits were considered good back then. The past really sucks.

 

[NatMorton]

he was!

and even people in his time were horrified about what he did.

The people of his time were doing much the same all around the globe.

 

[Craig234]

The royals in charge of the Spanish Inquisition fired Columbus for being too cruel to the natives.

I didn't know that part, thanks. But it was mostly not a moral issue, it seems, and had numerous reasons, including abuse of Spanish colonists.

From Google AI:

Yes, the Spanish monarchs fired Christopher Columbus from his position as governor and had him arrested and sent back to Spain in chains in 1500 due to his brutal rule over both native inhabitants and Spanish colonists.
While his treatment of the Indigenous Taíno people was a factor in his dismissal, the Crown's motivations were complex. The primary reasons for his removal included:

• Widespread mismanagement: Both Spanish settlers and the Indigenous population complained to the Crown about Columbus's tyranny, brutality, and inability to maintain order.
• Brutality toward Spanish colonists: Reports to the Crown detailed Columbus's extreme cruelty toward Spanish settlers. Punishments included mutilation, such as cutting off ears and noses, for offenses like stealing grain.
• Enslavement of natives: Queen Isabella was particularly angered by Columbus's decision to enslave the native people, whom she considered subjects of the Crown, without her authorization. She ordered some of the enslaved individuals to be returned to their homes.
• Economic failure: The colony in Hispaniola was largely an economic failure and did not produce the wealth Columbus had promised.

The investigation and arrest
After receiving numerous complaints, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella sent royal commissioner Francisco de Bobadilla to Hispaniola to investigate. Upon arriving and seeing the chaos, Bobadilla arrested Columbus and his brothers for official misconduct. The Spanish rulers sent Columbus back to Spain in chains, and while he was eventually pardoned and released, he was stripped of his authority as governor.

The Crown's priorities
Despite his removal from power, Columbus was still allowed to make one final voyage. This shows that while the Spanish Crown was disturbed by his mismanagement, they did not hold the same moral indignation as modern society toward his cruelty toward Indigenous people. They were largely focused on restoring order and securing the colony's economic viability. They replaced him with a new governor who continued the exploitation of the native population.

 

[bythoughts]

I didn't know that part, thanks. But it was mostly not a moral issue, it seems, and had numerous reasons, including abuse of Spanish colonists.

From Google AI:

Yes, the Spanish monarchs fired Christopher Columbus from his position as governor and had him arrested and sent back to Spain in chains in 1500 due to his brutal rule over both native inhabitants and Spanish colonists.
While his treatment of the Indigenous Taíno people was a factor in his dismissal, the Crown's motivations were complex. The primary reasons for his removal included:

• Widespread mismanagement: Both Spanish settlers and the Indigenous population complained to the Crown about Columbus's tyranny, brutality, and inability to maintain order.
• Brutality toward Spanish colonists: Reports to the Crown detailed Columbus's extreme cruelty toward Spanish settlers. Punishments included mutilation, such as cutting off ears and noses, for offenses like stealing grain.
• Enslavement of natives: Queen Isabella was particularly angered by Columbus's decision to enslave the native people, whom she considered subjects of the Crown, without her authorization. She ordered some of the enslaved individuals to be returned to their homes.
• Economic failure: The colony in Hispaniola was largely an economic failure and did not produce the wealth Columbus had promised.

The investigation and arrest
After receiving numerous complaints, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella sent royal commissioner Francisco de Bobadilla to Hispaniola to investigate. Upon arriving and seeing the chaos, Bobadilla arrested Columbus and his brothers for official misconduct. The Spanish rulers sent Columbus back to Spain in chains, and while he was eventually pardoned and released, he was stripped of his authority as governor.

The Crown's priorities
Despite his removal from power, Columbus was still allowed to make one final voyage. This shows that while the Spanish Crown was disturbed by his mismanagement, they did not hold the same moral indignation as modern society toward his cruelty toward Indigenous people. They were largely focused on restoring order and securing the colony's economic viability. They replaced him with a new governor who continued the exploitation of the native population.

Apparently the burial site in the Seville Cathedral is known. Which means that Columbus could still make one final voyage. I picture, as with a Death Row inmate, that his ashes could be scattered at an 'undisclosed location', which I always assumed to be the prison toilet.

 

[Rumpelstil]

Christoforo Colombo was a ****ing asshole, a rapist, slaver and murderer.
Of course, those traits were considered good back then. The past really sucks.

times have changed

 

[Bodi]

I knew that all along

but read about him again today

And he was a lot worse than i thought

How was he bad? He opened up land for Europeans and helped to introduce civilization to millions




.

 

[Bodi]

Didn't he sail under Spain's flag, his country would not fund him?

He did not have a country... he had a city state.

 

[Bodi]

He is terrible by today's standards. Everyone from the 1500s was terrible by today's standards. In 600 years you will be considered terrible.

White males already are considered terrible.


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[joluoto]

How was he bad? He opened up land for Europeans and helped to introduce civilization to millions




.

He was a rapist, slaver and murderer. That's civilization baby.