Christians account for 86% of all US abortions (1 Viewer)

[Toothpicvic]

Abortion Statistics

(These statistics come from a conservative source too)

Who's having abortions (religion)?

Women identifying themselves as Protestant Christians obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with other religious affiliations obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

So that means that 86% of abortions are done by Christians (while the other 24% is divided up between all other religious demographics).

Is this really a surprise? I didn't think so. Christians also have the highest teen pregnancy, HS dropout, and divorce rates - higher than all other religious demographics in the US combined. :doh

 

[Comic Relief]

I'm having difficulty following the math, here. Exactly where does 86% come from (would it be Catholics + Protestants + Evangelicals, by any chance?) and why do you say that the remainder, therefore, is 24%? Clearly there is some double-counting somewhere (e.g., perhaps some consider themselves Evangelicals and Catholics or something) because 86% + 24% = 110%.

 

[Orion]

I would want this data correlated by an official source, but for the sake of argument, it wouldn't be all that surprising. While thankfully not all Christians are fundamentalists, those who are tend to be stifled by ignorance. The tendency of the far religious right to support education that has little to no statistical benefit to youth, such as abstinence-only education, is a good example of this.

 

[Gipper]

So that means that 86% of abortions are done by Christians (while the other 24% is divided up between all other religious demographics).

 

[Slartibartfast]

Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

Protestant, 37.4
Catholic, 31.3
Evangelical, 18
Total, 86.7

No affiliation, 23.7
Jewish, 1.3
Total, 25

Grand Total, 111.7%

 

[1069]

Yeah, the stats are solid; I read them some time ago on Guttmacher.
But so what? Prolife Christians are simply going to deny that those women are real Christians. End of debate.

 

[Josie]

What's the point of this poll? What exactly are you trying to say?

 

[1069]

What's the point of this poll? What exactly are you trying to say?

What poll?
It's a thread, and I'm guessing the point of it was that Christians account for 86% of all US abortions.

Do you have any comment to make on that?

 

[molten_dragon]

If these stats are true (which I'm not sure I believe, there's some odd math going on here) then it's more support for my theory that most pro-life people are simply people who've never been faced with the choice of raising a kid they don't want.

 

[1069]

I'd rather the rest of the thread not be about whether the statistics are legit.
According to Guttmacher, "Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.[3]"

Facts on Induced Abortion in the United States

That means 70% of women getting abortions in the US are Christians (or were in 2001, which is when this statistic is from).

If anyone doesn't believe Guttmacher is a legitimate source, I doubt we can have a productive conversation.

And here's Guttmacher's source, according to the footnote:
3. Jones RK, Darroch JE and Henshaw SK, Patterns in the socioeconomic characteristics of women obtaining abortions in 2000–2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(5):226–235.

Of course, it is ten years old.
Possibly that accounts for the discrepancy between 70% and 86%.

 

[Josie]

What poll?
It's a thread, and I'm guessing the point of it was that Christians account for 86% of all US abortions.

Do you have any comment to make on that?

I meant "stat", not poll.

Of course I have a comment. I always do.

I would like to know how many of that 86% are active members of their church, pray regularly, give to those who are in need and strive to keep themselves pure. Otherwise, they're just Christians-in-name-only. I would venture a guess that close to 0% of those "Christians" actually walk the walk.

 

[Josie]

If these stats are true (which I'm not sure I believe, there's some odd math going on here) then it's more support for my theory that most pro-life people are simply people who've never been faced with the choice of raising a kid they don't want.

Maybe because they know to keep their pants zipped up.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I meant "stat", not poll.

Of course I have a comment. I always do.

I would like to know how many of that 86% are active members of their church, pray regularly, give to those who are in need and strive to keep themselves pure. Otherwise, they're just Christians-in-name-only. I would venture a guess that close to 0% of those "Christians" actually walk the walk.

You should know that there is only one thing that is required to be a Christian. The rest of the stuff you listed is not necessary.

 

[Josie]

You should know that there is only one thing that is required to be a Christian. The rest of the stuff you listed is not necessary.

Oh yes. If you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, but never pray, never give money and time to those who need it, have sex with anything that moves, etc. then you're still a follower of Christ. Uh huh. It's an ongoing relationship, not just a one time empty vow.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Oh yes. If you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, but never pray, never give money and time to those who need it, have sex with anything that moves, etc. then you're still a follower of Christ.

You are absolutely correct. A person is saved by faith, not by acts. The spirit will certainly compel the person to do those things listed, but they are not necessary.

 

[Josie]

You are absolutely correct. A person is saved by faith, not by acts.

You honestly believe that if at one time in your life you say "Yes, I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior" and then lead a life full of sin with no repentance, you're a true follower of Christ? Wow.

 

[winston53660]

never give money and time to those who need it, have sex with anything that moves, .

One doesn't have to believe in Christ to give money, time to the less fortunate. Nor does one have to believe in Christ to be in a committed monogamous relationship.

 

[Josie]

One doesn't have to believe in Christ to give money, time to the less fortunate. Nor does one have to believe in Christ to be in a committed monogamous relationship.

I never said that.

 

[Rogero]

If these stats are true (which I'm not sure I believe, there's some odd math going on here) then it's more support for my theory that most pro-life people are simply people who've never been faced with the choice of raising a kid they don't want.

Most pro-life people are those who have never faced with the choice of raising a kid they don't want?

So how this statistic gets you there, is a good question. :shock:

One would have to first assert that everyone who is pro-life is either raising kids that they wanted, or have no kids...But wait a minute, doesn't it fall under the definition of pro-life to want kids to begin with?:roll:

But I think you're at a loss for suggesting this statistic proves something completely unrelated to religion.

My take is that it is neither the case they are not Christian (at least by membership) nor is it the case that Christianity is hypocritical, rather the disproportionate statistic represents the demographics of the Unites States.

Protestant 51.3%, Roman Catholic 23.9%, Mormon 1.7%, other Christian 1.6%, Jewish 1.7%, Buddhist 0.7%, Muslim 0.6%, other or unspecified 2.5%, unaffiliated 12.1%, none 4% (2007 est.)

So looking at this statistic we get about 21.6 % American non-Christians in which 24% abortions of all abortions are accountable for.

Its demographics folks

 

[Slartibartfast]

You honestly believe that if at one time in your life you say "Yes, I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior" and then lead a life full of sin with no repentance, you're a true follower of Christ? Wow.

I believe it is possible but if a person is a true Christian it will never happen since their heart will change. But it is technically possible since Christians live under grace.

 

[Josie]

but if a person is a true Christian it will never happen since their heart will change.

Very true, although some people "fall off the wagon" and then repent and get back on.

But it is technically possible since Christians live under grace.

No, we're distinctly told to not just continue to sin just because you're under grace. If you do, you're heart isn't in the right place. You're off the path.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Very true, although some people "fall off the wagon" and then repent and get back on.

No, we're distinctly told to not just continue to sin just because you're under grace. If you do, you're heart isn't in the right place. You're off the path.

You are correct that Paul tells us not to at the beginning of Romans 6. However whether backsliding is possible is a much debated issue.

 

[Josie]

You are correct that Paul tells us not to at the beginning of Romans 6. However whether backsliding is possible is a much debated issue.

I think that debate was created by people who wanted to backslide and still be okay with God. It makes zero sense that God would accept someone who spit in His face everyday of their lives (except that ONE day when they said they accepted Christ) and refused to repent for it.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I think that debate was created by people who wanted to backslide and still be okay with God. It makes zero sense that God would accept someone who spit in His face everyday of their lives (except that ONE day when they said they accepted Christ) and refused to repent for it.

Possibly. I see good points made by both sides of the debate. However, losing one's faith is another matter entirely. I was debating under the assumption that faith continued until death.

However, as Jesus mentioned the parable of the seeds and apostasy is mentioned in revelation, your scenario is certainly within the realm of reality.

 

[Rogero]

Is it possible for Christians to sin?
Given the content of most of Paul's epistles, yes it is. Does that mean they are damned? Only if they have not done as Paul in (Romans 11:22-24) suggested that they should do, not persist in their unbelief. Otherwise, yes I can see the argument that they are cut off.