China's 'leftover women', unmarried at 27

[Van Basten]

I also like how we're using this to scoff at Chinese culture, when an unwed childless mother in the US that's pushing 30 is considered either a "frigid bitch" or a sterile "slut" that isn't fit for marriage.

I've never heard that one before.

 

[DDD]

this is odd, considering :

China's biggest problem? Too many men - CNN.com

I thought the same thing. But neither gender does not has to be with another China(wo)man. Why do not they look outside?

I mean I understand Israelites and other population of this world not wanting to mix. They think that there numbers are not enough and they should keep it straight up to a certain point.

I do not see the same problem reflected with Chinese!

 

[marywollstonecraft]

She's overqualified to have a male partner in traditional Chinese society, which is the demographic that most of those 40 million extra men come from.

Calling them leftover women is just sneering discrimination from China's right wing because she didn't do the right thing and stay at home living with her parents until they coerced her into getting married and having a child.

Note that there's no equivalent term for a successful, single independent professional man, despite equal pressure being placed on them to find wives and start the next generation. Only women get this shameful title for wanting to embrace modernity.

lols - Chinese are the largest cohort of our international students, and there are more female than male - many studying at postgrad level. Chinese women are more likely to return home rather than to apply for PR, and don't seem concerned about not finding a husband.

An educated woman is seen as desirable in China.

 

[Northern Light]

An educated woman is seen as desirable in China.

In modern China... not traditional China.

 

[Gipper]

Hey, she can go get her sheepskin as long as she rove me rong time.

 

[marywollstonecraft]

In modern China... not traditional China.

true - but China is far less mired in tradition than many other places - eg India. Middle class women in China are constrained by tradition, but usually less so than their poorer sisters, and they have far more choices than their mothers dreamed of.

That said, traditional values have been the main driver the gender imbalance, which in itself will create major problems for the future.

 

[wolfie]

true - but China is far less mired in tradition than many other places - eg India. Middle class women in China are constrained by tradition, but usually less so than their poorer sisters, and they have far more choices than their mothers dreamed of.

That said, traditional values have been the main driver the gender imbalance, which in itself will create major problems for the future.

Yes..but they still murder female babies...same as Indian/Pakistanis abort female children..

I suppose she should be grateful to have reached the ripe old age of 27..

 

[marywollstonecraft]

Yes..but they still murder female babies...same as Indian/Pakistanis abort female children..

I suppose she should be grateful to have reached the ripe old age of 27..

don't know - there are probably more females in china than there are people in the whole of the US ....

of course though, it is a major issue in china - although the trend is reversing .... finally: China's sex ratio declines for two straight years

and I doubt it will start to change anytime soon in south asia.

 

[rhinefire]

I'm surprised Hugh Hefner never moved there to live!

 

[Camlon]

Yes..but they still murder female babies...same as Indian/Pakistanis abort female children..

I suppose she should be grateful to have reached the ripe old age of 27..

Some people, especially from the villages do that. Most Chinese people in the cities including the traditional people do not mind getting a girl. In fact several young people I have talked to want a girl.

Also, what is happening in China in terms of leftover women is nothing that hasn't happened in the US and is still happening. Try finding a husband at the age of 35 in the US. It is not easy at all. And in the past, the cutoff age was younger just like in China.

 

[Oozlefinch]

this is odd, considering :

China's biggest problem? Too many men - CNN.com

This has long been a major issue in Chinese society. Especially in the more rural areas (and worse in modern times with the "one child" policies), females were generally considered unimportant, maybe used to form bonds between families but not of much use other then that. This is why you had such practices as foot binding, and then the killing of girls so the family can try again to have a boy.

Doing this for decades gives you a society that is heavy in men, and women often considered as nothing more then objects.

Heck, China should look into exporting them as a natural resource. After all, think of how much they could make from the Asiaphile market!

 

[Camlon]

This has long been a major issue in Chinese society. Especially in the more rural areas (and worse in modern times with the "one child" policies), females were generally considered unimportant, maybe used to form bonds between families but not of much use other then that. This is why you had such practices as foot binding, and then the killing of girls so the family can try again to have a boy.

Doing this for decades gives you a society that is heavy in men, and women often considered as nothing more then objects.

In ancient China, people in general was considered unimportant. For instance another tradition in the past was polygamy. That means Chinese men were sex-deprived. And in addition to that, most Chinese men worked as laborer for landowners similar to slaves in America.

If you lived in ancient China foot binding was the least of your problems.

Heck, China should look into exporting them as a natural resource. After all, think of how much they could make from the Asiaphile market!

Good luck finding many Chinese girls who look like that.

This is what those women look like. Of course nothing horrible, but still nothing like the picture above.
http://www.theworld.org/wp-content/uploads/HuangYuanYuan-LeftoverWoman620.jpg

 

[Oozlefinch]

Good luck finding many Chinese girls who look like that.

This is what those women look like. Of course nothing horrible, but still nothing like the picture above.
http://www.theworld.org/wp-content/uploads/HuangYuanYuan-LeftoverWoman620.jpg

Personally, I find both of them cute, so do not see what the problem is.

And trust me, I know what Chinese people look like. I work in Chinatown in San Francisco, so is perfectly normal to me.

Now if you want to scare me from Oriental women, just show me ones like these:

 

[Republic Now!]

this is odd, considering :

China's biggest problem? Too many men - CNN.com

Gee, who would have thought oppressive population controls favoring men would lead to a population crisis?

The single women in China are not there because there are not enough men, they're there because they don't fit the mold of a proper Chinese housewife. There are plenty of available men in China.

 

[Camlon]

Personally, I find both of them cute, so do not see what the problem is.

And trust me, I know what Chinese people look like. I work in Chinatown in San Francisco, so is perfectly normal to me.

Now if you want to scare me from Oriental women, just show me ones like these:

Why would I write "nothing horrible" if I was trying to scare you from Asian women.

I am just pointing out those leftover women look nothing like the picture above. They look okay, but there is many white unmarried women who look okay too.

 

[Camlon]

Gee, who would have thought oppressive population controls favoring men would lead to a population crisis?

The single women in China are not there because there are not enough men, they're there because they don't fit the mold of a proper Chinese housewife. There are plenty of available men in China.

Actually Chinese female work participation is 10% higher than US female participation. Maybe you should learn more about China before you comment? http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.CACT.FE.ZS

The main reason they are single is because of male bias towards younger females and virgin women and female bias towards rich men. And you will find the same trend in the US, just at a higher age.

 

[Republic Now!]

Actually Chinese female work participation is 10% higher than US female participation. Maybe you should learn more about China before you comment? Labor participation rate, female (% of female population ages 15+) | Data | Table

The main reason they are single is because of male bias towards younger females and virgin women and female bias towards rich men. And you will find the same trend in the US, just at a higher age.

What does the work population of China have to do with my point?

 

[Camlon]

What does the work population of China have to do with my point?

A housewife stays at home. If more Chinese women are working compared to the US, then sheng nu is not due to being forced to be a housewife against their will.

 

[Republic Now!]

A housewife stays at home. If more Chinese women are working compared to the US, then sheng nu is not due to being forced to be a housewife against their will.

I'm STILL not seeing the relevance here. More women as a percentage of the population 15+ are working and this means what exactly to the point?

Perhaps the problem is you're being narrow minded thinking a Chinese housewife would not work. It's not uncommon for both/all members of a household to work in a country like China.

 

[Camlon]

I'm STILL not seeing the relevance here. More women as a percentage of the population 15+ are working and this means what exactly to the point?

Perhaps the problem is you're being narrow minded thinking a Chinese housewife would not work. It's not uncommon for both/all members of a household to work in a country like China.

A housewife per definition do not work. At least not full time. Also, it is not uncommon to share house work in China.

A housewife is a woman whose main occupation is running or managing the family's home—caring for and educating her children, cooking and storing food, buying goods the family needs in day to day life, cleaning and maintaining the home, making clothes for the family, etc.—and who is generally not employed outside the home.​

Housewife - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are talking about unequal share of the housework, then say so. But you are still wrong as many of these women do want a husband and is willing to do a larger share of the housework. The main reason is due to male bias towards young virgins, and female bias towards rich men.

That is very important, because these successful women want a husband who earns more than them. 30+ single men who earns high income is very desirable in China as there isn't too many of them. Those men are biased towards young virgins and young girls are willing to date older men. Hence, there is hardly any men for successful women in their 30s.

 

[Captain Adverse]

She's not exactly unattractive (as others have suggested). Her intelligence and accolades are simply too intimidating for men with a well groomed superiority complex, which is unfortunately quite common in China. When a culture demands gender roles that aren't supported by biology, the outcasts are ostracized. It's no more disgusting than our repulsion of women who dare not perfectly manicure their genitals or our discrimination of gays and lesbians.

What? "Not exactly unattractive?" She close enough "unattractive." The other stuff just makes it worse.

 

[Republic Now!]

A housewife per definition do not work. At least not full time. Also, it is not uncommon to share house work in China.

A housewife is a woman whose main occupation is running or managing the family's home—caring for and educating her children, cooking and storing food, buying goods the family needs in day to day life, cleaning and maintaining the home, making clothes for the family, etc.—and who is generally not employed outside the home.​

Housewife - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you are talking about unequal share of the housework, then say so. But you are still wrong as many of these women do want a husband and is willing to do housework. The main reason is due to male bias towards young virgins, and female bias towards rich men.

Fair enough, I meant a women who would who fulfill the appropriate role in the household. Feminists have me confusing the meaning of the word.

 

[Republic Now!]

She's not exactly unattractive (as others have suggested). Her intelligence and accolades are simply too intimidating for men with a well groomed superiority complex, which is unfortunately quite common in China. When a culture demands gender roles that aren't supported by biology, the outcasts are ostracized. It's no more disgusting than our repulsion of women who dare not perfectly manicure their genitals or our discrimination of gays and lesbians.

Is genital hygiene now a form of oppression? I have such a hard time keeping up with all the things that are keeping women down.

BTW, you want to make it more dramatic, say something like "any women who doesn't MUTILATE her naturally gifted pubic hairs for some obscure cultural norm is turned into a second class citizen by systematic male chauvinism." That makes it harder for people to keep up with what the hell you're talking about and it looks cool on a pamphlet.