China's CCP warns Elon Musk against sharing Wuhan lab leak report

[Bodi]

Right. I also said ”Texas.”

Okay... but not in the post that I quoted so it was not clear....

 

[Ahlevah]

Okay... but not in the post that I quoted so it was not clear....

Well, it wasn’t clear to me which post you were going to quote when you asked me about China. But it’s clear now. So, no, you were correct. It wasn’t in Post #1. It was Post #3. And a little later I talk about Texas cows, the Gigafactory, and Space City.

 

[PoS]

Just figured you would love having a shitless photo of your two favorites heros together.

Since you posted the photo its obviously in your bathroom. Have fun with your threesome.

 

[snakestretcher]

oh, you can encourage people to buy other items, but you cannot do that until you have them to offer and they have to be competitive products. My HP and my Macbook as well as my Samsung phone are essential to my work....just as essential as the dewalt table saw and other tools that I own. Dewalt is a tool company in the US...and it is superior to other products...so, I buy it, because it fits my needs. I see zero national origin when it comes to doing my job...I only look for quality.

DeWalt make tools in the US, Brazil, Mexico, UK, Italy, Czech Republic and China. Moreover according to US manufacturing laws an item can be made with outsourced, foreign parts and still be labelled 'Made in America', as long as the final assembly or processing of the product is done in the USA.

 

[ClaraD]

DeWalt make tools in the US, Brazil, Mexico, UK, Italy, Czech Republic and China. Moreover according to US manufacturing laws an item can be made with outsourced, foreign parts and still be labelled 'Made in America', as long as the final assembly or processing of the product is done in the USA.

Yes, that is probably true...just like Ford makes their cars all over the world....and Kia, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and others have plants right here in the US. It would be impossible to untangle and become an isolationist country...so, as to my point...we should be buying products based on quality...not on where they were manufactured.

 

[snakestretcher]

Yes, that is probably true...just like Ford makes their cars all over the world....and Kia, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and others have plants right here in the US. It would be impossible to untangle and become an isolationist country...so, as to my point...we should be buying products based on quality...not on where they were manufactured.

Found this:

Sawinery Woodworking - Techniques, Projects, & Tools

Sawinery is your go-to woodworking resource for expert tips, DIY projects, and tool reviews. Explore woodworking tips, project builds, and join a passionate community that celebrates the craft.

www.sawinery.net

I'm an amateur musician (guitar), and have owned many Chinese-made guitars of excellent quality. Iconic and long-established US brands like Gretsch, Epiphone, Fender and many others have been of Chinese origin. The largest manufacturer of guitars in the world is Indonesian; Cor-Tek. If you own Ibanez, Schecter, G&L, Squier (Fender), PRS SE or a myriad of other brands, the chances are they will have been built by Cort.

 

[ClaraD]

Found this:

Sawinery Woodworking - Techniques, Projects, & Tools

Sawinery is your go-to woodworking resource for expert tips, DIY projects, and tool reviews. Explore woodworking tips, project builds, and join a passionate community that celebrates the craft.

www.sawinery.net

I'm an amateur musician (guitar), and have owned many Chinese-made guitars of excellent quality. Iconic and long-established US brands like Gretsch, Epiphone, Fender and many others have been of Chinese origin. The largest manufacturer of guitars in the world is Indonesian; Cor-Tek. If you own Ibanez, Schecter, G&L, Squier (Fender), PRS SE or a myriad of other brands, the chances are they will have been built by Cort.

My son has a Fender. His is from the 60s. I believe it is a Strat. He has had it since he was 14 and he is 26 almost 27 years old.

 

[snakestretcher]

My son has a Fender. His is from the 60s. I believe it is a Strat. He has had it since he was 14 and he is 26 almost 27 years old.

It will be worth a lot of money now; many thousands if all original and unmolested! Lucky young man.

 

[ClaraD]

It will be worth a lot of money now; many thousands if all original and unmolested! Lucky young man.

It is all original except the strings. He has played it, but he takes lots of care of it. I bought it for him in Honduras. The person had no clue what they were selling and to be honest, I didn't either until I took it to a shop for an evaluation.

 

[PoS]

Just figured you would love having a shitless photo of your two favorites heros together.

Yeah, you sure love opening up that photo in your phone when you go to the bathroom, right? LOL, exposed!

 

[Ahlevah]

Yes, that is probably true...just like Ford makes their cars all over the world....and Kia, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and others have plants right here in the US. It would be impossible to untangle and become an isolationist country...so, as to my point...we should be buying products based on quality...not on where they were manufactured.

Germany in the 1930s was known for making high-quality products, e.g. autos, machine tools, and optical goods like cameras, microscopes, and binoculars. Do you think it was a good idea to buy German-made products at a time when Hitler was on a path to committing genocide, annexing territory, and preparing for war?

I just think there is something fundamentally off about trading with a totalitarian nation led by a tyrant whose values are inimical to ours. It’s like giving vitamins to a parasite threatening your and your neighbor’s health. It’s not in your long-term interests.

 

[ClaraD]

Germany in the 1930s was known for making high-quality products, e.g. autos, machine tools, and optical goods like cameras, microscopes, and binoculars. Do you think it was a good idea to buy German-made products at a time when Hitler was on a path to committing genocide, annexing territory, and preparing for war?

I just think there is something fundamentally off about trading with a totalitarian nation led by a tyrant whose values are inimical to ours. It’s like giving vitamins to a parasite threatening your and your neighbor’s health. It’s not in your long-term interests.

I own a VW Jetta. I know the torrid history of a Volkswagon. I bought it due to its quality. While many companies in China are strictly regulated, they have decided to remain in China. That is their choice. VW was invented by Nazis...but my purchase of a VW isn't an endorsement of their actions in WW2. I also bought a VW in 2002. A Cabrio....it was my favorite car. I liked it even more than my first car a 1985 Mustang GT 5.0. I really loved that car, but I liked the 1999 VW Cabrio more. In fact, I liked it so much that when I moved back to Honduras, I took it with me. It is the one type of older car I would still buy....with the exception of a 1967 Mustang GT Shelby 500...but that is a distant dream....one I probably will never make reality.

I own a new Dodge 1500 Bighorn 4x4 and a 2019 VW Jetta SEL. I also have an older 2004 Dodge 1500 SLT with a Hemi. It was wrecked when another truck swerved to avoid a deer and hit us nearly head-on. They totaled it, but I wanted to keep the truck, so I took the reduced payment and bought a new truck and kept this one as well. I use it to haul trash, etc as it is being rebuilt. I don't have time to deal with anything but my bottom line. Get back to me when VW becomes nationalized again and Germany starts ethnic cleansing....we will talk. I probably would not buy another VW while that is going on...but China doesn't own Apple nor do they own HP or Samsung.

 

[Ahlevah]

Get back to me when VW becomes nationalized again and Germany starts ethnic cleansing....we will talk. I probably would not buy another VW while that is going on...but China doesn't own Apple nor do they own HP or Samsung.

Actually, I was referring not to post-WWII Germany, but Germany in the years between Hitler’s ascension to power and our entry into WWII. I like quality products, too, but I don’t think from a national security perspective that it should be our only consideration. My extreme example is posed to see if you agree or not with my position. Hitler didn’t own IBM, but people are still critical about its decision to continue doing business in a country carrying out The Final Solution.

 

[snakestretcher]

Germany in the 1930s was known for making high-quality products, e.g. autos, machine tools, and optical goods like cameras, microscopes, and binoculars. Do you think it was a good idea to buy German-made products at a time when Hitler was on a path to committing genocide, annexing territory, and preparing for war?

I just think there is something fundamentally off about trading with a totalitarian nation led by a tyrant whose values are inimical to ours. It’s like giving vitamins to a parasite threatening your and your neighbor’s health. It’s not in your long-term interests.

You would be surprised:

How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II

The following excerpts thoroughly document how capitalists really acted during the Second World War. Behind the patriotic propaganda that encouraged the working class to slaughter each other in the interests of competing national interests, international capital quietly kept the commodity...

libcom.org

 

[Ahlevah]

You would be surprised:

How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II

The following excerpts thoroughly document how capitalists really acted during the Second World War. Behind the patriotic propaganda that encouraged the working class to slaughter each other in the interests of competing national interests, international capital quietly kept the commodity...

libcom.org

Actually, no, I’m not. And we’ve got a whole new crop prepared to trade with China when things inevitably go south just as we’ve got companies right now still doing business in Russia. Like P&G and their Pampers for poor Russian babies? **** that. They can use cloth diapers.

 

[ClaraD]

Actually, I was referring not to post-WWII Germany, but Germany in the years between Hitler’s ascension to power and our entry into WWII. I like quality products, too, but I don’t think from a national security perspective that it should be our only consideration. My extreme example is posed to see if you agree or not with my position. Hitler didn’t own IBM, but people are still critical about its decision to continue doing business in a country carrying out The Final Solution.

I believe in letting people decide for themselves...having the freedom to do so. We don't need the government to make those decisions for us.

 

[ralfy]

Reminds me of that article from the Chronicle around a decade ago:

The European Atrocity You Never Heard About

Even as Nazi officers were being tried for crimes against humanity after World War II, the Allies were perpetrating new ones.

www.chronicle.com

 

[Metric Mouse]

You would be surprised:

How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War II

The following excerpts thoroughly document how capitalists really acted during the Second World War. Behind the patriotic propaganda that encouraged the working class to slaughter each other in the interests of competing national interests, international capital quietly kept the commodity...

libcom.org

Holy **** the author of that book is a nutter. "The Fraternity"? What the hell is he on, and can I get some for the weekend?

 

[Bucky]

It doesn’t have to be American. Just not Chinese.

90% of the chips marketed by American tech stalwarts like Apple (AAPL), Amazon (AMZN), Nvidia (NVDA), and Qualcomm (QCOM) come from Taiwan Semiconductor

 

[uptower]

Something about turntables...?

 

[snakestretcher]

Holy **** the author of that book is a nutter. "The Fraternity"? What the hell is he on, and can I get some for the weekend?

I take it you haven't read the book.

 

[Ahlevah]

90% of the chips marketed by American tech stalwarts like Apple (AAPL), Amazon (AMZN), Nvidia (NVDA), and Qualcomm (QCOM) come from Taiwan Semiconductor

Yes, TSMC is a fabricator, which takes designs from these companies to produce an overwhelming percentage of the high-end microprocessors used in phones and computers. This is a problem, and will become a disaster if Xi Jinping becomes like every other tyrant and does something stupid.

But the Covid pandemic and China’s threats against Taiwan and its neighbors laid bare the vulnerability, and Intel under Pat Gelsinger has moved to close the gap by investing tens of billions of dollars creating fabs in Arizona and Ohio, as well as design and foundry facilities in the EU nations of Germany, France, Ireland, Italy, Poland, and Spain. Intel Foundry Services has signed contracts to produce chips for Qualcomm, Amazon, and the Department of Defense, among others. TSMC is also investing a huge sum to diversify its production outside of Asia, including $100 billion in fabs in Arizona. Apple iPhone producer Foxconn is moving production capacity to India. Micron is investing $15 billion expanding memory chip design and production facilities in Idaho, and another $100 billion in four new fabs in upstate New York.

So I don’t think things are quite as dire as they first appear. Western-oriented governments and corporations, including the microprocessor fab leader TSMC, recognize the vulnerability, and are moving to address it.

 

[Metric Mouse]

I take it you haven't read the book.

I just read the entire articles you linked. It was ****ing psycho. Do you agree there is "The Fraternity" controlling global history of Nazi wealth to shape the modern world? Really!?