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All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China. You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.ludahai said:Ching Cheong, a journalist for the Straits Times of Singapore was arrested for "stealing state secrets" when he tried to gain access to a hard copy of a manuscript by former Communist Party General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. China has more journalists in prison than any other country on the planet.
Further proof of the barbarity of the Chinese regime.
Source: Bloomberg
Source: Today Online
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frankguy said:All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China.
You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.
I don't think all the Chinese govenment has done is wrong. Maybe he is not so good but he has made the country richer and stronger than before. India is a democratic contry but it's poorer than China. Do you think the Indians are much happier and freer than us? No one doubts China will be the second super power of the world. You can only feel free if your contry gets strong. If not, there is no true freedom for your country. China has many historical, ethinical problems. It's great that the government made such a big progress. China government always says he will not use nuclear weapons at first you know. And there is no aircraft carrier in China, how come you said China threating others? I found a lot of people demonize China government without throught.ludahai said:Actually, it is the Chinese government I am attacking, NOT the country. I love China and the Chinese people. It is the government and the way it treats its own people, as well as its illegal and immoral occupation of territories that DO NOT belong to it (most notably Tibet) and its threatening of neighboring countries (i.e. Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines) that I oppose.
Since you think Taiwan is not a part of China, why does it occupate the Jinmen an Mazu islands nearby Xiamen, FUjian province. The Taiwan surrendered by Qing Dynasty didn't include the two islands. How come Taiwan doesn't return them? I don't know which government illegally and immorally occupates of territories DO NOT belong to it.ludahai said:To be a secessionist, that would assume that Taiwan is a part of China. It most certainly is NOT a part of China. The Qing Dynasty, which was NOT a Han but rather a Manchu dynasty, surrendered Taiwan in 1895 and never regained it..
Again, you can only feel free if your country gets strong. Even if you feel free, but your country does't feel free in the world. It's the philosophy of Chian Government, you cannot force him to abandon his belief.ludahai said:Unlike your government, which is undemocratic and corrupt, denying the people of basic freedoms, Taiwan's government is democratic and is rated as "free" by virtually every human rights organization who makes such ratings. Quite the opposite from China which is consistantly rated as "unfree."
frankguy said:All your posts in the forum I can see are to smear China. You are absolutely a Tainwan secessionist. Not all the people in the forum are willing to read your style and interested in your post. You are more like a abject woman than a true man. The same as your Taiwan government.
frankguy said:I don't think all the Chinese govenment has done is wrong. Maybe he is not so good but he has made the country richer and stronger than before.
India is a democratic contry but it's poorer than China. Do you think the Indians are much happier and freer than us?
No one doubts China will be the second super power of the world. You can only feel free if your contry gets strong.
If not, there is no true freedom for your country. China has many historical, ethinical problems. It's great that the government made such a big progress. China government always says he will not use nuclear weapons at first you know. And there is no aircraft carrier in China, how come you said China threating others? I found a lot of people demonize China government without throught.
Since you think Taiwan is not a part of China, why does it occupate the Jinmen an Mazu islands nearby Xiamen, FUjian province. The Taiwan surrendered by Qing Dynasty didn't include the two islands. How come Taiwan doesn't return them? I don't know which government illegally and immorally occupates of territories DO NOT belong to it.
Again, you can only feel free if your country gets strong. Even if you feel free, but your country does't feel free in the world. It's the philosophy of Chian Government, you cannot force him to abandon his belief.
teacher said:Well at least we can dispense with the niceties. Hey ludahai, he called you a girl. You gonna take that? You Tainwan so and so. Mei guanqi.
ludahai said:LEt him do the name calling. It shows the world that when he has no argument, he has to resort to this.
There is no perfect person and no perfect goverment in the world. Tibet has been a part of China long ago. We have no reason to lose it. Falungong is an evil organize. My teacher had arthritis years ago and the Falungong cheated him that if he took part in the organization they can cure the ailment. Fianlly, they can't. They just cheated money.ludahai said:This is the same government that has ripped the grandeur of Chinese culture and tradition apart over the decades. This is the same Chinese government who has tyrannized people who want to peacefully practice Falungong, Christianity and other religious faiths. This is the same Chinese government who has turned occupied Tibet into an armed camp..
ludahai said:I have been to the Chinese countryside, so I know the depths of this misrepresentating of China's wealth. Sure, a small number of people in China's urban areas are wealthy. Good for them. However, the poverty in the hinterlands, and even that of 外地人 "Waidiren" in cities like Shanghai and Guangzhou is appalling. Does India have significant problems with poverty? Yes. But the people in India have the ability to call their government to account for its missteps, as it did in a recent election. The Chinese masses do not have this rightludahai said:There are poor people and rich people all over the world. The same as in US and Taiwan. It's not an unique phenomenon in China. Do you think demacray is everything? If so, why is India so poor? Are Iraq peoples much happier and freer than before? Even worse. China has made a great progress in decmacray and human right. We just need time. Rome was not built in a night. I think most of Taiwaners and American have no such patience. They all hope China solve these problem just by surrend its sovereignty and folow what US said. Just like Taiwan.
ludahai said:Actually, a lot of people doubt this. China currently has many impediments to its rise to global superpower status, the most important is its lack or resources. Regardless of this fact, civilized countries can guarantee freedom for their people without military strength. Most European countries are small, and are not militarily powerful, but most are also democracies that respect the rights of their peoples. Taiwan, South Korea and Japan are much smaller than China is, however, all are wealthy and free, unlike China.ludahai said:I think you are not proud of your so called country. Neither is Janpanese. Because they are not a normal(正常)country. They are controlled by US because there are millitary bases in there countries. China has the possiblity to be a super power in the world. But they cannot never.
ludahai said:You apparently missed the several instances where leading Chinese generals have said that China may use the nuclear option against the United States if it becomes involved in a Taiwan Strait war, even if the U.S. DOESN'T go nuclear! China has recently taken an island from the Philippines in the South China Sea, and in fact, claims the whole thing as its own, despite the rediculousness of that claim. China has hundreds of missiles aimed at Taiwan, and has recently passed a law authorizing force against the country.ludahai said:The islands in the Sounth China Sea were china's territories from Qing Dynastry. After WW2, UN also acknowledged this status. What the Chinese generals said was to show China's resolution.
ludahai said:Actually, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu providing that China recognizes the independence of Taiwan. Furthermore, I say put all KMT traitors on those two islands, and see how long their precious ROC lasts with the only two islands it legally has sovereignty over. Considering that China still threatens Taiwan, Taiwan does have a moral right to maintain a line of defense. Upon such time as China and Taiwan normalize relations, I support the return of Kinmen and Matsu, not before.ludahai said:You should admit KMT has big influence in Taiwan. It's your own proposal. Not the Taiwan government. They also have no sincerity on this.
You don't know the situation of China. And you don't know the tradition and culure of China either. What you know is the bad things of China as others exaggerated. If you have some patience, you wouldn't say the words upper. I'm not a communist. I live here longer than you. And I'm an PHD. So I beg you believe I have right sense. China's situation is more complexer than you can imagine. What you said is right do we can't do as what you said. We need time. If China does everything as you want, it will go into chaos.teacher said:Is it possible he doesn't know the whole truth about what his nation does?
I don't pay much attention to China anymore. I just know their government sucks. I'm sure it doesn't help much with yang guizi speaking Chinese
QUOTE=frankguy]You don't know the situation of China.
You don't know me. I could say the same about your knowledge of American culture and tradition.And you don't know the tradition and culure of China either.
Much of what I know is from the mouths of Chinese people.What you know is the bad things of China as others exaggerated.
Upper?If you have some patience, you wouldn't say the words upper.
Glad to hear it.I'm not a communist.
Duh.I live here longer than you.
So?And I'm an PHD.
I grant that to all until they blow it.So I beg you believe I have right sense.
I can imagine quite a lot.China's situation is more complexer than you can imagine.
I never said by next Tuesday night. My government understands this. Why do you think we let such bullshit trade practices go on? We are not stupid either. A free and open globe is the goal of my nation. All peoples having choice. Change takes time. Only 50 years ago blacks could not drink from the same water fountain as whites. On another site I speak with Chinese mainlanders. Not all my knowledge comes from kungfu movies.What you said is right do we can't do as what you said. We need time. If China does everything as you want, it will go into chaos
frankguy said:There is no perfect person and no perfect goverment in the world. Tibet has been a part of China long ago. We have no reason to lose it. Falungong is an evil organize. My teacher had arthritis years ago and the Falungong cheated him that if he took part in the organization they can cure the ailment. Fianlly, they can't. They just cheated money.
There are poor people and rich people all over the world. The same as in US and Taiwan. It's not an unique phenomenon in China.
Do you think demacray is everything? If so, why is India so poor? Are Iraq peoples much happier and freer than before? Even worse. China has made a great progress in decmacray and human right.
We just need time. Rome was not built in a night. I think most of Taiwaners and American have no such patience. They all hope China solve these problem just by surrend its sovereignty and folow what US said. Just like Taiwan.
I think you are not proud of your so called country. Neither is Janpanese. Because they are not a normal(正常)country. They are controlled by US because there are millitary bases in there countries. China has the possiblity to be a super power in the world. But they cannot never.
The islands in the Sounth China Sea were china's territories from Qing Dynastry. After WW2, UN also acknowledged this status. What the Chinese generals said was to show China's resolution.
You should admit KMT has big influence in Taiwan. It's your own proposal. Not the Taiwan government. They also have no sincerity on this.
How do you know this? It seems that you are wiser than everyone. You have no right to judge it without investigating it. Maybe you just think Chinese are stupid. If so you are much lower than a idiot.ludahai said:Then it is your teacher who made a mistake.
I don't know what's their beliefs. I know some Falungong numbers and they said they practised it just to strength their bodies and purify their thoughts. If so, why should they besiege CCTV station of China? Just because it doubted their belief? This happening showed Fulungong is an blinkered organization. They were trying to demolish the peace of China. No one allowed them to do this. They are just a piece of shi*t.ludahai said:There is a similiar group in the United States called "Christian Scientists." However, as long as they don't violate the law, they have the right to practice their beliefs. The vast majority of Falungong practitioners are not cheats and it is NOT an evil organization. That is your government speaking again.
Yes, you did live in Shanghai at that time. Does it show you know all the exact details of the incident? Propoganda is an weapon against enemy. Everyone can use it. The fu*king Falungong often sends me junk emails too. Your US daddy propogated that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How about the result? You just have an inertial thought that everything that China Government thinks is wrong you think it is right. Everything it think right you think it wrong.ludahai said:I was living in Shanghai when the crackdown began in July 1999 and it was so obviously propoganda that I couldn't take anything the media was taking seriously.
You said it. But we Chinese people are not scared of porverty like you. The progess China has made can prove the situation is to be improved.ludahai said:However, the poor in China are amongst the poorest in the world. There is nothing in Taiwan or the United States that equates with the poverty of the poor in China, .
The government is unelected for 50 years. The poverty situation was also improved greatly. Do you doubt it? I don't why you say the situation is exacerbated? In which period?ludahai said:poverty which is all too often exacerbated by the policies of the unelected Chinese government .
There are a lot of country in the world whose governments are not elected. Why not smear them? Why must you smear China? What China goverment has done does not always please you but it's not the reason for you to smear all the things he has done.ludahai said:India has a well developed high tech industry. However, India was a case where the recent government promoted policies that helped the rich, but not the poor, much as China's government does. However, the people of India had the chance to vote out that government, and they did. THe Chinese peope don't have that right. As for human rights in China, they have not been progressing over the past five years, but rather, they have been deteriorating.
Why do you think it has not happened? The GDP doesn't decrease. And the human right is impoved although not too much as you expect. I want to ask you why your US daddy was expelled from UN Human right commettee in 2001? In face of the fact your US daddy threated UN by defaulting the UN fee. What a gentleman!ludahai said:I don't expect it to be built in "a DAY", but I expect to see progress. THis has not been happening since Hu Jintao became emperor (I mean President).
It seem that Taiwan is the greatest "country" in world because it was not occupied by US but they managed to become a democratic "country" for ...years. sorry I can't remember the useless number. OK, the greatest country in the world is Taiwan. It satisfied you, right?ludahai said:Again, it is the voice of ChiCom propoganda speaking again. Japan is a normal country more than China is. It is a democracy which respects the human rights of its people. The U.S. is there at the invitation of the Japanese government. If the government of Japan asks the United States to leave, it will just as the U.S. military left the Philippines after its democratically elected government asked it to in the 1980s.
This world is run by the jungle rule. Do you know your US daddy is invading Iraq? He can do it, how come China can't possess the islands which used to belong to China?ludahai said:The UN has NOT recognized China's claim to the SCS. The United Nations does not make such recognition. It is true that the Dongsha (Paracel) Islands were under Chinese control from about 1815, but not the Nansha (Spratley) Islands in the far south of the South China Sea. Those were under French sovereignty administered from Saigon for about 100 years. In 1928, the Chinese government acknowledged that the Paracel Islands were the southernmost extent of its territory. This is an assessment I agree with.
You allway boast the human right of your Taiwanese people. If you Taiwanese people were the poorest people in the world, would you want democracy? It would be of no use. Demacracy is the thing of rich people. It's of no use for Iraq and Afghanistan people. It is KMT that made Taiwan rich in the last 50 years. You should be grateful to it.ludahai said:Of course the KMT has no sincerity. On this we agree. The KMT led an illegitimate government in Taiwan for decades which trampled on the legitimate rights of the Taiwanese people. Now, the Taiwanese people have democracy, basic human rights, and the right to assert its presence in the international arena.
You are really superficial. I doubt your education degree. What I have arguge with Ludahai is the relation of Taiwan and Chinese. Your have no qualification to argue on this topic. Because you are really superficial on China(中华)culture, history and tradition. What you can do is to bellow after Ludahai. It's more like the relation of Taiwan and US. HAHA.teacher said:[
But I know far more than most Americans. I understand "dui lian". I understand it's a childish concept to us, very old and important to you.
Wo ershi nian lian yisi mei shuo zhongwen. I've spent much time talking with those who fled the cultural revolution. Teachers, doctors, PHD's. I know how many Chinese feel about foreign devils speaking their tongue. Consider I know as much about you as you about me. Wode laoshi gei wo yige mingza, Bian.
You don't know me. I could say the same about your knowledge of American culture and tradition.
Much of what I know is from the mouths of Chinese people.
Upper?
Glad to hear it.
Duh.
So?
I grant that to all until they blow it.
I can imagine quite a lot.
I never said by next Tuesday night. My government understands this. Why do you think we let such bullshit trade practices go on? We are not stupid either. A free and open globe is the goal of my nation. All peoples having choice. Change takes time. Only 50 years ago blacks could not drink from the same water fountain as whites. On another site I speak with Chinese mainlanders. Not all my knowledge comes from kungfu movies.
Capitolism calls. Gotta go.
Superficial about what, specificaly? What education degree have I claimed?frankguy said:You are really superficial. I doubt your education degree.
Good for you two. I'll watch and learn.What I have arguge with Ludahai is the relation of Taiwan and Chinese.
Here's one thing I think about the Chinese. If a American and a Chinese were in a phone booth and the Chinese guy farted. He would go to his grave before admitting it.Your have no qualification to argue on this topic. Because you are really superficial on China(中华)culture, history and tradition.
What you can do is to bellow after Ludahai.
Like when?
It's more like the relation of Taiwan and US. HAHA.
frankguy said:How do you know this? It seems that you are wiser than everyone. You have no right to judge it without investigating it. Maybe you just think Chinese are stupid. If so you are much lower than a idiot.
I don't know what's their beliefs. I know some Falungong numbers and they said they practised it just to strength their bodies and purify their thoughts. If so, why should they besiege CCTV station of China? Just because it doubted their belief? This happening showed Fulungong is an blinkered organization. They were trying to demolish the peace of China. No one allowed them to do this. They are just a piece of shi*t.
Yes, you did live in Shanghai at that time. Does it show you know all the exact details of the incident? Propoganda is an weapon against enemy. Everyone can use it. The fu*king Falungong often sends me junk emails too. Your US daddy propogated that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How about the result? You just have an inertial thought that everything that China Government thinks is wrong you think it is right. Everything it think right you think it wrong.
You said it. But we Chinese people are not scared of porverty like you. The progess China has made can prove the situation is to be improved.
The government is unelected for 50 years. The poverty situation was also improved greatly. Do you doubt it? I don't why you say the situation is exacerbated? In which period?
There are a lot of country in the world whose governments are not elected. Why not smear them? Why must you smear China? What China goverment has done does not always please you but it's not the reason for you to smear all the things he has done.
Why do you think it has not happened? The GDP doesn't decrease. And the human right is impoved although not too much as you expect. I want to ask you why your US daddy was expelled from UN Human right commettee in 2001? In face of the fact your US daddy threated UN by defaulting the UN fee. What a gentleman!
It seem that Taiwan is the greatest "country" in world because it was not occupied by US but they managed to become a democratic "country" for ...years. sorry I can't remember the useless number. OK, the greatest country in the world is Taiwan. It satisfied you, right?
This world is run by the jungle rule. Do you know your US daddy is invading Iraq? He can do it, how come China can't possess the islands which used to belong to China?
You allway boast the human right of your Taiwanese people. If you Taiwanese people were the poorest people in the world, would you want democracy? It would be of no use. Demacracy is the thing of rich people. It's of no use for Iraq and Afghanistan people. It is KMT that made Taiwan rich in the last 50 years. You should be grateful to it.
frankguy said:In fact, I have no time to waste arguing with you. But I'll tell you, westen media demonlizes China for many years, you shouldn't always believe it and you should have your own brain.
In China, there are many bad description about Taiwan, US and other countries. But I have my own brain. I'm tend to be fair-minded on all things. I never smear someone or country about every thing.
If you don't try to understand China and just demonlize it. It does no good for you. And China will not get worse because of you. Instead, China is going to be more strong and rich. This is the fact. I think you should be a kind man, and more broard-viewed. Every thing is the world is developing including CCP. China is not so bad as you think.
Urethra Franklin said:ludahai,
Serious, non-attacking question.
Would it not be better to keep quiet and not upset the status quo, and enjoy the unofficial autonomy you have? And the many Taiwanese who invest in the mainland can carry on doing so?
If you keep pushing the mainland, do you not risk an all out conflict situation, which Taiwan would undoubtedly lose?
ludahai said:I'll remember you said that the next time that Taiwan is unable to get assistance from the WHO when children are dying from a variety of diseases that sometimes comes from China. If SARS crops up again, we will also remember the lack of assistance Taiwan gets due to its diplomatic isolation. .
ludahai said:countries who love freedom like the United States .
Fried Rice said:Dear ludahai
I do not think you are Chinese right ? No doubt your short time in China has made you expert far more than our thousands of years of Chinese culture ever could.
This "journalist" has now been charged and will go to court so world can see the evidence and judge accordingly. We Chinese believe in checking all facts even thought you seem to have already made up your mind.
You have learnt a few Chinese words (which is very good achievement) but you must not confuse that with some form of cultural understanding.
1 The Falun Gong in China and the Falun Gong outside of China are two different organisations. You only see one side of picture. I do not say all Chinese F.G. are bad as they are not, however the group has other motives that do not benefit the Chinese people.
2 Taiwan - the world recognises (inculding the USA) that Taiwan is part of China. It is for Chinese to decide if / when Taiwan ever become independant. You talk nonsense earlier about SARS / hunger. You may not know but it is Taiwan who will not allow direct cross strait communications etc and not China. If Taiwan chooses to voilate UN resolutions etc then there has to be some price to pay.
3 You say you love China and Chinese people but hate the Govt. Yet the Govt is the will of the Chinese people. We are peace loving nation, no terrorism, improving standards of living, and give open and free access to all, even those with disenting views such as your self. I doubt even USA so open these days as i hear it is hard to enter if you are muslim etc.
4 China is recognised as the new world super power yet we do not abuse our position. we seek peaceful resolution to Taiwan issue, support war on terror, have floated the yuan and many other measures on global stage. It is USA that is shrinking back like isolationist country.
Fried Rice is Proud to be Chinese
Urethra Franklin said:You seem to be saying Taiwan would be better off if it accepted it's place as part of China.
But the US turned its back on Taiwan.
Your claim that the US loves freedom is laughable. Countries that love freedom don't selectively topple dictators in line with their own inetersts, and then allow that country to institiute a constitiution that will disadvantage 50% of the population (the women) it's claimed to have liberated. Countries that love freedom don't topple democratically elected governments (as in Chile) then stand idly by while their new friend tortures and murders thousands. The Chinese government is far from perfect, but you need to look a little closer to your real home.
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