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China apologises for roughing up journalists on eve of Games

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China apologises for roughing up journalists on eve of Games


Chinese police Tuesday apologised for roughing up two Japanese journalists as Beijing's Olympic commitment to allow foreign media freedom came under scrutiny three days before the Games opened.
The apology came after border police "clashed" with the Japanese journalists who had arrived in the Muslim-majority Xinjiang region after an alleged terrorist attack Monday left 16 police dead, Xinhua news agency said.

"The local foreign affairs department made an apology Tuesday to two Japanese reporters," Xinhua said.

A photographer for the Tokyo Shimbun newspaper was forcibly detained late Monday and kicked by police in the city of Kashgar, his employer said.

A reporter for the Nippon Television Network was also detained and treated roughly by Chinese police who pushed his face to the ground, the network said.



Seems like a lot of apologising going on in china.... face it these jack boots never should have gotten the olympics and now we seeing the IOC reaping what it has sewn....
 
I feel bad for the athletes of this Olympiad. I think their hard work, dedication and moment of glory will be overshadowed by events that should never take place when the world comes together to compete peacefully.
 
Yea, this kind of thing NEVER happens in America, does it? Oops, should we be allowed to host another Olympics?

US police beat journalist.

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Really dan? Couldn't come up better than a conspiracy theorist claiming, without proof, he was beat up by some cops because he was "investigating the truth of 9/11". From a conspiracy theorist news website? With links to such wonderful oxymoron things as "Rumor Mill News"?

Yes, and aliens beat up some reporter the other night. I swear, he told me so through his mind link with me. I guess the aliens shouldn't be allowed to host the olympics either.

:roll:
 
Yes, and aliens beat up some reporter the other night. I swear, he told me so through his mind link with me.

Kucinich, is that you?
 
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Really dan? Couldn't come up better than a conspiracy theorist claiming, without proof, he was beat up by some cops because he was "investigating the truth of 9/11". From a conspiracy theorist news website? With links to such wonderful oxymoron things as "Rumor Mill News"?

Yes, and aliens beat up some reporter the other night. I swear, he told me so through his mind link with me. I guess the aliens shouldn't be allowed to host the olympics either.

:roll:
Fair enough, conspiracy website and lack of serious creditability noted.
Now I'll raise that.

YouTube - Critical Mass cyclist Assaulted by NYPD
YouTube - LAPD beating (hi-res)
and the cream of the crop with cherry on top
YouTube - Police dump quadriplegic from wheelchair

According to the rational thus here presented well then, not even an apology I wonder how these buffoons are allowed to work at a police station?
 
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I'll check them out once I'm home but all three look more credible than Dana's source. I wasn't disagreeing with the idea that police in this country and be idiots. I was just stating that Dana's specific example was, well, poor
 
Jfuh,


please lets stay on topic instead of pointing out the US's isolated cases, this thread is about china, not the US.
 
I'll check them out once I'm home but all three look more credible than Dana's source. I wasn't disagreeing with the idea that police in this country and be idiots. I was just stating that Dana's specific example was, well, poor
I fully agree that it was a poor source, a better argument though would've been to show of brutality nearly universal (well except for bobbies).
That our police are as brutal as that of communist China is rather embarrassing IMO.

However, the OP simply throws said premise out here as a rational for why China shouldn't hold the Olympics. Well if that is the case, then it has to be rationalized then that, more embarrassingly neither are we.
 
Jfuh,


please lets stay on topic instead of pointing out the US's isolated cases, this thread is about china, not the US.
Isolated case? took me no more than 5 seconds to find these. Need I remind you that police brutality is what led to the LA riots (Rodney King). All three videos here are of three seperate instances in three different locations by three different departments.
You have absolutely 0 credible anecdotal evidence to in anyway suggest that the instance in your OP was not itself an isolated instance.
Not to mention in your own source there is at least rational for the Chinese police to have been extra on edge considering that the Japanese news crew were taping but just 50 meters away from a military complex.
Perhaps you could tell me what the quadriplegic was doing that was so wrong that the police deputies had to dump him on his face at the station and not only saw nothing wrong about it but didn't even bother to address the situation until the news station reported on the incident? Don't ask don't tell?
Just another one of your highly bias threads.
China is a communist totalitarian regime, their police force being brutal? How is that news exactly? One would think that to be expected.
What I find strange though is what the Japanese news crew was doing there on their own without a translator nor anyone that spoke Chinese.
 
Just another one of your highly bias threads.
China is a communist totalitarian regime, their police force being brutal? How is that news exactly? One would think that to be expected.
What I find strange though is what the Japanese news crew was doing there on their own without a translator nor anyone that spoke Chinese.

A....P....O....L....O....G....I....S....T

Maybe - wild guess here - it's worthy news because foreign news media were told they would have media freedom.

What a disgrace that country is to any shade of real freedom. 1984: "You will only know what we want you to know."

Their revolution is coming....

Black is white. White is black. All according to your indoctrinations. You have a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. Whether it's environmentalist dogma, or Chinese dictatorial creed.

Truth is freedom. Truth is what is.

LOOK.
 
how about you stop hijacking my thread and address the topic, jfuh.

You whole ahctick as a xchima apologist and America bashed is old
 
I want to know what it means by "roughing up". I also want to know what this isolated incident has to do with the broader context of the state of affairs in China. The fact that China is apologizing is a good sign to me.

Revernd, your OP wreaked of xenophobic dogma towards China, as usual, by trying to imply that this isolated incident somehow speaks to the broader practices of its government. Please don't bother pretending that this isn't true. "Jack boots"? Nice objectivity. You are quick to defend the journalists and quick to criticize the Chinese government, yet I don't think even you have all the objective facts.

I think jfuh was trying to illustrate that police brutality is a global problem, even in the United States, and that officers who are not morally adjusted enough to be in their line of work do not necessarily reflect the quality of their government. I'm not saying that the Chinese government is or isn't corrupt, but based on this case, it is a stretch of the imagination to draw a correlation between the two.

Don't tell jfuh that he is being irrelevant just because you don't want to hear about similar dirty business in your own backyard. You are quick to point the finger but slow to comprehend that similar actions happen everywhere, whether you are looking at a communist state or a democratic one. Increase your field of vision a little, please.
 
how about you stop hijacking my thread and address the topic, jfuh.

You whole ahctick as a xchima apologist and America bashed is old
I addressed your thread properly and showed that police brutality is no way isolated nor demonstrative of ****.
You can mc no spin go on ahead with your rhetorical name calling all you want. It only goes to show of your disregard for any objective debate but simply name calling and bashing.
I've not been america bashing at all, simply pointing out your utter hypocrisy.
 
A....P....O....L....O....G....I....S....T

Maybe - wild guess here - it's worthy news because foreign news media were told they would have media freedom.

What a disgrace that country is to any shade of real freedom. 1984: "You will only know what we want you to know."

Their revolution is coming....

Black is white. White is black. All according to your indoctrinations. You have a loyal willingness to say that black is white when Party discipline demands this. Whether it's environmentalist dogma, or Chinese dictatorial creed.

Truth is freedom. Truth is what is.

LOOK.

Please cut back on the the propaganda and rhetoric koolaid.
 
Mc no spin, I think you are mistaking grievances for a desire to shift government. Most people are crying for the communists to be more accountable for corruption, and for fair legal proceedings to flush out that corruption. As that pressure increases, the communists will cave. However, those particular grievances do not necessarily mean people are planning a general revolution. As I said in another thread, there is no unifying cause.
 
Mc no spin, I think you are mistaking grievances for a desire to shift government. Most people are crying for the communists to be more accountable for corruption, and for fair legal proceedings to flush out that corruption. As that pressure increases, the communists will cave. However, those particular grievances do not necessarily mean people are planning a general revolution. As I said in another thread, there is no unifying cause.


The more basic protest is the taking of their homes.

The unifying cause will be the widening gap between the haves and the have nots.

Revolution is not a matter of if, but when.

The information age is the conduit, an unstoppable force their govt can only slow, but not stop.

History is ripe with examples.
 
Maybe you should go to China then and incite some good ol' revolution, since you seem so sure it's about to happen. :P
 
Maybe you should go to China then and incite some good ol' revolution, since you seem so sure it's about to happen. :P

:roll:

That made no sense.

Study some history, counter my argument.

Your post does nothing to elevate the discussion.

Perhaps most often, the word 'revolution' is employed to denote a change in socio-political institutions.[2][3][4] Jeff Goodwin gives two definitions of a revolution. A broad one, where revolution is "any and all instances in which a state or a political regime is overthrown and thereby transformed by a popular movement in an irregular, extraconstitutional and/or violent fashion"; and a narrow one, in which "revolutions entail not only mass mobilization and regime change, but also more or less rapid and fundamental social, economic and/or cultural change, during or soon after the struggle for state power."[5] Jack Goldstone defines them as

an effort to transform the political institutions and the justifications for political authority in society, accompanied by formal or informal mass mobilization and noninstitutionalized actions that undermine authorities.[6]

Political and socioeconomic revolutions have been studied in many social sciences, particularly sociology, political sciences and history. Among the leading scholars in that area have been or are Crane Brinton, Charles Brockett, Farideh Farhi, John Foran, John Mason Hart, Samuel Huntington, Jack Goldstone, Jeff Goodwin, Ted Roberts Gurr, Fred Halliday, Chalmers Johnson, Tim McDaniel, Barrington Moore, Jeffery Paige, Vilfredo Pareto, Terence Ranger, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy, Theda Skocpol, James Scott, Eric Selbin, Charles Tilly, Ellen Kay Trimbringer, Carlos Vistas, John Walton, Timothy Wickham-Crowley and Eric Wolf.[7]

Jack Goldstone differentiates four 'generations' of scholarly research dealing with revolutions.[6] The scholars of the first generation such as Gustave Le Bon, Charles A. Ellwood or Pitirim Sorokin, were mainly descriptive in their approach, and their explanations of the phenomena of revolutions was usually related to social psychology, such as Le Bon's crowd psychology theory.[2]

Second generation theorists sought to develop detailed theories of why and when revolutions arise, grounded in more complex social behavior theories. They can be divided into three major approaches: psychological, sociological and political.[2]

The works of Ted R. Gurr, Ivo K. Feierbrand, Rosalind L. Feierbrand, James A. Geschwender, David C. Schwartz and Denton E. Morrison fall into the first category. They followed theories of cognitive psychology and frustration-aggression theory and saw the cause of revolution in the state of mind of the masses, and while they varied in their approach as to what exactly caused the people to revolt (e.g. modernization, recession or discrimination), they agreed that the primary cause for revolution was the widespread frustration with socio-political situation.[2]

The second group, composed of academics such as Chalmers Johnson, Neil Smelser, Bob Jessop, Mark Hart, Edward A. Tiryakian, Mark Hagopian, followed in the footsteps of Talcott Parsons and the structural-functionalist theory in sociology; they saw society as a system in equilibrium between various resources, demands and subsystems (political, cultural, etc.). As in the psychological school, they differed in their definitions of what causes disequilibrium, but agreed that it is a state of a severe disequilibrium that is responsible for revolutions.[2]

Finally, the third group, which included writers such as Charles Tilly, Samuel P. Huntington, Peter Ammann and Arthur L. Stinchcombe followed the path of political sciences and looked at pluralist theory and interest group conflict theory. Those theories see events as outcomes of a power struggle between competing interest groups. In such a model, revolution happen when two or more groups cannot come to terms within a normal decision making process traditional for a given political system, and simultaneously have enough resources to employ force in pursuing their goals.[2]

Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I have added plenty to this discussion. You, however, have only posted dogmatic, trivial replies equivalent to "Vive La Revolution!" and "The revolution is coming!" and some quote from 1984. Please respond to the OP with facts. You don't need to define what revolution means; I know more about it than you do, and I especially know more about it as it pertains to China.

Read a history textbook on China, take a pill, and call me in the morning.
 
I have added plenty to this discussion.

Such as?

You, however, have only posted dogmatic, trivial replies equivalent to "Vive La Revolution!" and "The revolution is coming!" and some quote from 1984. Please respond to the OP with facts.

Watch the videos.

You don't need to define what revolution means; I know more about it than you do, and I especially know more about it as it pertains to China.

Read a history textbook on China, take a pill, and call me in the morning.

I'm still waiting for an actual counter-argument on why revolution won't occur. Something better than you know more than me about revolution and to go read some unnamed history book on China. :roll:

The Chinese government is relying on playing the mindshare game that all is well, just toe the line and all will be fine. It is 1984 in many respects - that's why I referenced it.

The problem is that too many are getting left out in the cold. Another problem for their govt is that these atrocities are receiving broad dissemination due to the insufficiently bridled communications age of the 21st century. The Chinese govt is doing its best to put a lid on it, but I predict it will boil over eventually.

Hopefully, they will reform enough to avoid major catastrophe.
 
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What I find amazing, jfuh, is that I protest the brutalities and seizing of properties of innocent Chinese people more than you do.

Underground Video Of Tyranny In China
Have I denied that? But what does this have anything to do with the journalists in Xinajiang province?
As for your video, a totalitarian authoritarian communist regime is being protested against how people have been forced to leave their homes to make way for progress.
Let's look at that, no problem in saying yep, that's just ****ed up and shouldn't be so.
Then let's turn around and look at this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/politics/23wire-scotus.html
Doesn't seem so different.
 
The more basic protest is the taking of their homes.

The unifying cause will be the widening gap between the haves and the have nots.

Revolution is not a matter of if, but when.

The information age is the conduit, an unstoppable force their govt can only slow, but not stop.

History is ripe with examples.
So what are you doing to protest a government that claims it stands for freedom, individual liberties, equality and justice?
Where are you screams of foul play against warrantless wiretaps? about property seizure? about indefinite holding without charge simply because the government says that you're a terrorist?
Spare me your hypocritical feigned outrage. You're in no position to be crying foul.
 
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