CHILDREN TO “TRANSITION” GENDER IDENTITY AND DECEIVING PARENTS

[Phys251]

Right, if a teacher has REASON to believe that a child is "being abused" then they are required to report, and they damn well better. And, there is good reason why teachers are not reporting parents to police and other authorities because they suspect a parent is "transphobic" or "homophobic" -- it's because that's not "abuse."

So you do condone transphobic and homophobic child abuse. Glad we got you on the record.

What in the world do you think is "reason to believe" that a child is being abused? That the parents are Christian and believe that homosexuality is a sin, and that boys shouldn't dress like girls? Because if you think that is abuse, you're out of your cotton-pickin' mind.

If you really want to go down the dark rabbit hole of examples of transphobic and homophobic child abuse, go for it. I am not going to do your homework for you.

More kids are participating in a fad.

The younger generation is more accepting of LGBTQ than older generations are. You want to force them back into the closet.

It's illustrating that an elementary school teacher has no expertise in this area, and they are not going to subvert the right of a legal guardian to decide what is best for a child.

You think all parents know what's best for their children?

Oh man, that is some seriously funny shit right there!

When you have evidence that there is a physical safety issue, as a teacher, you're required to report it to the police. Do so, if that evidence exists. If you're just going to assume any parent MIGHT not accept a child's gender identity or encourage it, and consider that abuse, then you're nuts.

Obviously I'm not being direct enough with you so let me make it clear: If a teacher has reason to believe that any form of sexual, emotional, or physical abuse is occurring in a home, they have the responsibility to report it. As I said, you want examples, go find them yourselves. They're much more heinous than you make them out to be.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

^ More parroting of what child abusers would say.

Such ridiculous logic - by the same token, a teacher abusing a child would likely say that the parents have no right to know information about their kid.

You would bring the parents into the conversation if they were suspected of child abuse?

No, I'd call the ****ing police and child service. What the ****, dude? And, then the police and child services would do an investigation. If, however, it turned out that the issue was just the teacher wanting to hide the issue from parents because the teacher just assumed the parents wouldn't like it, well, that ain't gonna fly as an allegation of "abuse."

Do you realize what kind of ethics violation you are advocating for here?

You're advocating for the ethics violation, because if a teacher has information to report concerning "abuse" and doesn't file the report - with the authorities - then that teacher is violating the law - possibly committing a crime. So, that teacher better damn well report that abuse.

...thing is, if the "abuse" suspected is that a parent might not like the fact that a kid is expressing gender identity issues, and may not "encourage" or "support" the child's supposed identity as much as the teacher would like, well, we can have a long talk with the cops and social services as to whether that is "abuse" within the contemplation of the law.

 

[Phys251]

Such ridiculous logic - by the same token, a teacher abusing a child would likely say that the parents have no right to know information about their kid.

So you want a literal child abuser to know when their kid reports them. I'm sure that would end well for that child.

Thank you for continuing to make my point.

No, I'd call the ****ing police and child service. What the ****, dude? And, then the police and child services would do an investigation. If, however, it turned out that the issue was just the teacher wanting to hide the issue from parents because the teacher just assumed the parents wouldn't like it, well, that ain't gonna fly as an allegation of "abuse."

You're advocating for the ethics violation,

Nope, you are. You want absolute power to the parents, which is exactly what the abusive parents want. You've been very clear about this.

because if a teacher has information to report concerning "abuse" and doesn't file the report - with the authorities - then that teacher is violating the law - possibly committing a crime. So, that teacher better damn well report that abuse.

...thing is, if the "abuse" suspected is that a parent might not like the fact that a kid is expressing gender identity issues, and may not "encourage" or "support" the child's supposed identity as much as the teacher would like, well, we can have a long talk with the cops and social services as to whether that is "abuse" within the contemplation of the law.

Once again, I am not going to do your homework about what actually constitutes child abuse for you. Your strawmen are rejected.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

So you do condone transphobic and homophobic child abuse. Glad we got you on the record.

I don't condone any child abuse. I do not subscribe to the ludicrous notion that if a parent is a devout Christian or a devout Muslim or a devout orthodox Jew, and otherwise don't subscribe to your gender identity ideology, that they are child abusers. That's your stupid-ass allegation.

If you really want to go down the dark rabbit hole of examples of transphobic and homophobic child abuse, go for it. I am not going to do your homework for you.

You're the one making the allegation. My position is, if the teacher has what they think is evidence of abuse, they better damn well comply with the law and report it to the authorities. It is NOT an excuse to just let it be and not tell the parents. There MUST be reporting. Then the authorities will do a proper investigation and find out what is going on. If, however, the teacher just thinks the parent might not like their child adopting a new identity, and the teacher keeps that secret under a claim of "abuse" then that teacher is either (a) not reporting abuse he or she is required to report, or (b) hiding information from the lawful guardian which the teacher has no right to arbitrarily hide.

Get it? You don't get it both ways. You don't get to claim abuse, not report it, and then hide the issue from mom and dad.

The younger generation is more accepting of LGBTQ than older generations are. You want to force them back into the closet.

Nope, I don't really care what they identify as. I do care about teachers staying in their lane, and not hiding things from the lawful guardian of children. Naturally, if the teacher thinks the child is being abused, then by all means, report it to the authorities.

You think all parents know what's best for their children?

Nope, but they tend to know what's best for their children more than what amounts to a stranger.

Do you think all teachers know what is best for their students?

Oh man, that is some seriously funny shit right there!

Your entire ideology and thought process is hilarious.

Obviously I'm not being direct enough with you so let me make it clear: If a teacher has reason to believe that any form of sexual, emotional, or physical abuse is occurring in a home, they have the responsibility to report it. As I said, you want examples, go find them yourselves. They're much more heinous than you make them out to be.

Indeed, they do. But, you won't find examples of a teacher reporting "parent thinks homosexuality and transgenderism are sins" to the authorities and having it taken seriously as abuse - because it isn't abuse. That's the thing you seem to be missing. Parents are allowed to think LGBT is wrong. That is not abuse. It is not child abuse.

 

[Phys251]

I don't condone any child abuse. I do not subscribe to the ludicrous notion that if a parent is a devout Christian or a devout Muslim or a devout orthodox Jew, and otherwise don't subscribe to your gender identity ideology, that they are child abusers. That's your stupid-ass allegation.

You're the one claiming that (1) the rise in LGBTQ youth is bad and that (2) parents have absolute authority. And you somehow cannot see how bad it looks for you to be making those claims.

You're the one making the allegation. My position is, if the teacher has what they think is evidence of abuse, they better damn well comply with the law and report it to the authorities. It is NOT an excuse to just let it be and not tell the parents. There MUST be reporting. Then the authorities will do a proper investigation and find out what is going on. If, however, the teacher just thinks the parent might not like their child adopting a new identity, and the teacher keeps that secret under a claim of "abuse" then that teacher is either (a) not reporting abuse he or she is required to report, or (b) hiding information from the lawful guardian which the teacher has no right to arbitrarily hide.

Get it? You don't get it both ways. You don't get to claim abuse, not report it, and then hide the issue from mom and dad.

Nope, I don't really care what they identify as. I do care about teachers staying in their lane, and not hiding things from the lawful guardian of children. Naturally, if the teacher thinks the child is being abused, then by all means, report it to the authorities.

Nope, but they tend to know what's best for their children more than what amounts to a stranger.

Do you think all teachers know what is best for their students?


Your entire ideology and thought process is hilarious.

Projection from the person condoning child abuse.

Indeed, they do. But, you won't find examples of a teacher reporting "parent thinks homosexuality and transgenderism are sins" to the authorities and having it taken seriously as abuse - because it isn't abuse. That's the thing you seem to be missing. Parents are allowed to think LGBT is wrong. That is not abuse. It is not child abuse.

More strawmen. Why are you refusing to find out actual cases of anti-LGBTQ abuse, MNG? Is it because you're afraid of what you'll find? Or is it because you're playing the "la la can't hear you" game?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

So you want a literal child abuser to know when their kid reports them. I'm sure that would end well for that child.

They will always be informed when the report is filed with the police and child services, because they have to do an investigation. Are you under the impression that a parent is considered an abuser because a teacher says so? Of course not. They must report because the authorities will investigate it and see if there is anything to it. So, of course the parents are going to know. We still live in the United States where parents have due process of law before they are criminally charged and they also have due process rights when someone wants to take their parental rights away.

Are you suggesting that teachers should be able to deprive a parent of their parental rights just on their say-so, without the parents ever being aware that anyone even suspected it? Are you high?

Thank you for continuing to make my point.

You'll have to actually make a point before I can continue to make it for you.

Nope, you are. You want absolute power to the parents, which is exactly what the abusive parents want. You've been very clear about this.

Not in the least. If a teacher had evidence of abuse, they should report it and the authorities will act according to the law and the parents can be deprived of their parental rights, the kids can be put in foster care, or other actions can be taken, even up to the parents being criminally prosecuted. What teachers don't have is carte blanche to just declare a parent an abuser and hide children's issues from them.

Once again, I am not going to do your homework about what actually constitutes child abuse for you. Your strawmen are rejected.

You don't even know what you're talking about.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You're the one claiming that (1) the rise in LGBTQ youth is bad and that (2) parents have absolute authority. And you somehow cannot see how bad it looks for you to be making those claims.

I think the rise in LGBTQ is being manufactured by a social contagion. And, I think that parents do NOT have absolute authority and neither do teachers.

I think that teachers do have an obligation to report abuse, but they do NOT have the power to arbitrarily declare a parent to be an abuser and just keep the matter secret. They have to actually report to the authorities, and the authorities will, in fact, let the parents know what is going on, because there will be either a crimiinal investigation by police or a social services investigation, or both. It's not going to be kept secret.

So, teachers need to be clear on what abuse is. And teachers do not have the lawful authority to subvert any legal guardian's rights just because they say so.

 

[Phys251]

I think the rise in LGBTQ is being manufactured by a social contagion.

There you go again. You want LGBTQ youth back in the closet. Yet again you're just making my point for me.

And, I think that parents do NOT have absolute authority

OK, I see where you clarified that. I retract that point. But you could have been clearer about how far parents are allowed to go with their LGBTQ kids.

and neither do teachers.

Strawman. That point I never made.

I think that teachers do have an obligation to report abuse, but they do NOT have the power to arbitrarily declare a parent to be an abuser and just keep the matter secret. They have to actually report to the authorities, and the authorities will, in fact, let the parents know what is going on, because there will be either a crimiinal investigation by police or a social services investigation, or both. It's not going to be kept secret.

So, teachers need to be clear on what abuse is. And teachers do not have the lawful authority to subvert any legal guardian's rights just because they say so.

^ Mental gymnastics. Why are you so hellbent on not learning what actual anti-LGBTQ abuse is?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

More strawmen. Why are you refusing to find out actual cases of anti-LGBTQ abuse, MNG? Is it because you're afraid of what you'll find? Or is it because you're playing the "la la can't hear you" game?

I don't do your work for you. You don't know what you are talking about. And, any "case of anti-LGBTQ abuse" will obviously have been disclosed to the parents in question, because they will have been reported to the authorities.

I'm not going to research your position. You made an allegation, so prove it.

Moreover, the fact that there are cases of child abuse doesn't mean teachers just get to decide when a parent is an abuser. They MUST report suspected abuse. They can't just keep the gender issue secret.

So - let me ask you this - let's assume a teacher finds out about a student's gender identity issue and the student says "I really am having a hard time with this - I feel like I am falling and not quite right and maybe born in the wrong body - and my parents, they're very religious, I don't think they would understand." And, so, what is the teacher's obligation here? (a) do nothing, let it be, (b) report the matter to the authorities, because there is evidence the parents are abusive anti-LGBT and/or homophobes, (c) work with the student teacher-to-student, but don't tell the authorities or the parents, (d) let the school resource officer and health officer know, so that they can let the parents know what is going on and a plan can be developed to address the issue, or (e) something else? What do you think?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

There you go again. You want LGBTQ youth back in the closet. Yet again you're just making my point for me.

Nope - first, you haven't made any point, and I haven't wanted them to go into any closets. Lots of social contagions occur in life.

OK, I see where you clarified that. I retract that point. But you could have been clearer about how far parents are allowed to go with their LGBTQ kids.

You're the one being unclear. The question isn't how far can a legal guardian go - as a legal guardian is the decision-making authority for the child, NOT THE TEACHER. The question is how far can the teacher go in keeping psychological or medical issues secret from the parents in situations where the teacher is not reporting something to the police or social service authorities?

Strawman. That point I never made.

Yet, you have suggested that they can keep things secret from parents. In your view, can they do so when there isn't a report being made to appropriate authorities of abuse?

^ Mental gymnastics. Why are you so hellbent on not learning what actual anti-LGBTQ abuse is?

You're making the assertion. You define it.

 

[AGENT J]

Letting them pretend to be another gender isn't mentally healthy in any way. they need help mentally.

Tell us you have no clue about transgenderism without telling us you have no clue about transgenderism

 

[AGENT J]

Another thread and the same or more uneducated hateful vile bigots. thankfully the OP author is banned, B is a better place because of it

To help with education and/or bigotry


Quick Facts:
Gender =/= sex
Biology =/= gender
man women =/= to just biological sex
Transgender =/= sexual orientation
Transgender =/= delusion
Transgender =/= crossdressing/drag queens
Transgender =/= mental disorder
Transgender =/= Gender Dysphoria
Transitioning =/= child abuse
Transitioning =/= changing biological sex
Transitioning =/= Gender Dysphoria



Links for Education

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

Transgender is an umbrella term used to describe people whose gender identity (sense of themselves as male or female) or gender expression differs from socially constructed norms associated with their birth sex. This includes androgynous, bigendered and gender queer people, who tend to see...

www.apa.org

What Is Transgender?

Find out how gender identity is defined and what it means to be transgender, including the surrounding stigma and discrimination trans people face.

www.webmd.com

Learn more about what it means to be transgender or gender diverse

Know the basics about sex and gender, including common terms and definitions.

www.mayoclinic.org

What is Gender Dysphoria?

Learn about gender dysphoria, including symptoms, risk factors, treatment options and answers to common questions.

www.psychiatry.org

you're welcome

 

[Phys251]

I don't do your work for you. You don't know what you are talking about. And, any "case of anti-LGBTQ abuse" will obviously have been disclosed to the parents in question, because they will have been reported to the authorities.

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong. I'm not going to do homework for you, I know how this shit works, anti-LGBTQ abuse does not belong in scare quotes, and much of it goes unreported. Maybe you don't have a problem with it going unreported? It's very hard to tell from your posts.

I'm not going to research your position. You made an allegation, so prove it.

You say that because you don't want to learn what actual anti-LGBTQ abuse is.

Moreover, the fact that there are cases of child abuse doesn't mean teachers just get to decide when a parent is an abuser. They MUST report suspected abuse. They can't just keep the gender issue secret.

See above.

So - let me ask you this - let's assume a teacher finds out about a student's gender identity issue and the student says "I really am having a hard time with this - I feel like I am falling and not quite right and maybe born in the wrong body - and my parents, they're very religious, I don't think they would understand." And, so, what is the teacher's obligation here? (a) do nothing, let it be, (b) report the matter to the authorities, because there is evidence the parents are abusive anti-LGBT and/or homophobes, (c) work with the student teacher-to-student, but don't tell the authorities or the parents, (d) let the school resource officer and health officer know, so that they can let the parents know what is going on and a plan can be developed to address the issue, or (e) something else? What do you think?

Don't you ever get tired of strawman arguments? Why are you dodging what actual, anti-LGBTQ abuse is? Are you afraid of what you will uncover? Do you think it would be ugly? Because it is ugly, MNG. As an example, and I already said this, 40% of homeless youth are LGBTQ. Throwing a child out of the house because one disapproves of their "lifestyle" is abuse, pure and simple. You refuse to address this. You refuse to acknowledge the real-live cases out there, and you owe LGBTQ youth an explanation as to why. Your strawmen arguments are not going to cut it.

 

[Patriotguy]

This is exactly right and it boggles the mind. These people just say "hey we have to protect children from abuse - we have to report abuse." But, they're not talking about REPORTING abuse to an authority, no. They're talking about hiding mental health issues from the parents, because they arbitrarily think the child MIGHT have parents who aren't overjoyed at their kid claiming to be the opposite sex.

Bingo, also Teachers who are excited to be hero's the trans community!

 

[Patriotguy]

Another thread and the same or more uneducated hateful vile bigots. thankfully the OP author is banned, B is a better place because of it

To help with education and/or bigotry


Quick Facts:
Gender =/= sex
Biology =/= gender
man women =/= to just biological sex
Transgender =/= sexual orientation
Transgender =/= delusion
Transgender =/= crossdressing/drag queens
Transgender =/= mental disorder
Transgender =/= Gender Dysphoria
Transitioning =/= child abuse
Transitioning =/= changing biological sex
Transitioning =/= Gender Dysphoria



Links for Education

Answers to your questions about transgender people, gender identity, and gender expression

Transgender is an umbrella term used to describe people whose gender identity (sense of themselves as male or female) or gender expression differs from socially constructed norms associated with their birth sex. This includes androgynous, bigendered and gender queer people, who tend to see...

www.apa.org

What Is Transgender?

Find out how gender identity is defined and what it means to be transgender, including the surrounding stigma and discrimination trans people face.

www.webmd.com

Learn more about what it means to be transgender or gender diverse

Know the basics about sex and gender, including common terms and definitions.

www.mayoclinic.org

What is Gender Dysphoria?

Learn about gender dysphoria, including symptoms, risk factors, treatment options and answers to common questions.

www.psychiatry.org

you're welcome

Right censor what you disagree with.
Your post has nothing to do with anything but flaming and trolling those who have common sense!

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong. I'm not going to do homework for you, I know how this shit works, anti-LGBTQ abuse does not belong in scare quotes, and much of it goes unreported. Maybe you don't have a problem with it going unreported? It's very hard to tell from your posts.

Oh, no - I've been quite clear - teachers are mandatory reports, and if they suspect abuse of a child of any kind, then the law requires that it be reported to the appropriate authorities.

If you want to support an argument, then support it. You haven't, of course, and your nonsense of giving me homework ain't gonna fly. You do your work for yourself, by laying out a clear argument and supporting it. Until then, what is offered without evidence is dismissed without evidence.

 

[Patriotguy]

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong. I'm not going to do homework for you, I know how this shit works, anti-LGBTQ abuse does not belong in scare quotes, and much of it goes unreported. Maybe you don't have a problem with it going unreported? It's very hard to tell from your posts.



You say that because you don't want to learn what actual anti-LGBTQ abuse is.



See above.



Don't you ever get tired of strawman arguments? Why are you dodging what actual, anti-LGBTQ abuse is? Are you afraid of what you will uncover? Do you think it would be ugly? Because it is ugly, MNG. As an example, and I already said this, 40% of homeless youth are LGBTQ. Throwing a child out of the house because one disapproves of their "lifestyle" is abuse, pure and simple. You refuse to address this. You refuse to acknowledge the real-live cases out there, and you owe LGBTQ youth an explanation as to why. Your strawmen arguments are not going to cut it.

Problem is you think abuse, is Parents trying to get their kids help for their mental health issue, that you are causing by subscribing to, and championing it.

 

[AGENT J]

Right censor what you disagree with.
Your post has nothing to do with anything but flaming and trolling those who have common sense!

LMAO
Translation facts and science make you angry and cause you to make triggered retarded meltdown posts
oh well, facts and science don't care about your feelings

when you have anything that changes facts and science let us know, thanks!

 

[Phys251]

Oh, no - I've been quite clear - teachers are mandatory reports, and if they suspect abuse of a child of any kind, then the law requires that it be reported to the appropriate authorities.

If you want to support an argument, then support it. You haven't, of course,

And now you're just lying.

Reread the last paragraph of Post #138 as many times as you need to get it.

Unless of course you want to double-down on convincing me that you don't give a flying **** about what happens to LGBTQ youth, and you are already doing a spectacular job of that.

and your nonsense of giving me homework ain't gonna fly. You do your work for yourself, by laying out a clear argument and supporting it. Until then, what is offered without evidence is dismissed without evidence.

 

[Phys251]

Problem is you think abuse, is Parents trying to get their kids help for their mental health issue, that you are causing by subscribing to, and championing it.

English, please. I don't understand the language of bullshit.

 

[Patriotguy]

LMAO
Translation facts and science make you angry and cause you to make triggered retarded meltdown posts
oh well, facts and science don't care about your feelings

when you have anything that changes facts and science let us know, thanks!

Men do not become women , vice versa, prove me wrong! I do not care about your feelings, those are biological facts no matter how many surgeries you have!

 

[MrNiceGuy]

Don't you ever get tired of strawman arguments? Why are you dodging what actual, anti-LGBTQ abuse is? Are you afraid of what you will uncover? Do you think it would be ugly? Because it is ugly, MNG. As an example, and I already said this, 40% of homeless youth are LGBTQ. Throwing a child out of the house because one disapproves of their "lifestyle" is abuse, pure and simple. You refuse to address this.

Throwing an elementary school child out on the street is, of course, abuse - and it doesn't matter if they're LGBTQ or not. So, a teacher would have an obligation to mandatory report that abuse to the police and to social services. Thus, the parents would quickly learn of the issue.

This whole conversation was about whether the parents have a right to KNOW about the gender identity issue the teacher discovers in the classroom.

I'll ask it again - do you think parents have a right to know about the gender identity issues of their children, in circumstances where there is not going to be a report of abuse to the authorities? Yes or no. If not, why and under what circumstances?

 

[MrNiceGuy]

You refuse to acknowledge the real-live cases out there, and you owe LGBTQ youth an explanation as to why. Your strawmen arguments are not going to cut it.

I have never denied that there are cases of abuse of youth of all stripes, including LGBTQ. But what you are evading (now it appears purposefully) is the fact that parents are not assumed to be abusers, and that if a teacher knows or has reason to think there is abuse going on - of any student of any kind - they are mandatory reporters. So, taking a non-LGBT example, just a regular kid, says to his teacher he is having suicidal thoughts - he doesn't know why, he's just upset all the time. What should the teacher do if the teacher does not have reason to believe abuse is happening which would mandate a report to authorities? What should the teacher do if the teacher does have reason to believe abuse is happening which mandate reporting?

 

[Patriotguy]

I have never denied that there are cases of abuse of youth of all stripes, including LGBTQ. But what you are evading (now it appears purposefully) is the fact that parents are not assumed to be abusers, and that if a teacher knows or has reason to think there is abuse going on - of any student of any kind - they are mandatory reporters. So, taking a non-LGBT example, just a regular kid, says to his teacher he is having suicidal thoughts - he doesn't know why, he's just upset all the time. What should the teacher do if the teacher does not have reason to believe abuse is happening which would mandate a report to authorities? What should the teacher do if the teacher does have reason to believe abuse is happening which mandate reporting?

The problem is he, or she, believes that Parents caring enough to get their kids the help they need, instead of ascribing to said mental illness, is abuse.

 

[AGENT J]

Men do not become women , vice versa, prove me wrong! I do not care about your feelings, those are biological facts no matter how many surgeries you have!

GRRRRRRRRR MEN DO NOT BECOME WOMEN!!! LMAO

weird when did i say men become biological women based on surgeries?
please quote me saying that, oh that's right i never did
oooooops another retired lie and triggered strawman post fails and gets the shit kicked out of it BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

quick make another failed post that changes zero facts and science!