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Child Support

ecofarm said:
Yeah, sure.
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Just so I can officially add you to my ignore list... you are saying that I am a dead beat dad, or something else derogatory, right?
 
year2late said:
I am curious. Do you think if there was prescription birth control for men - would they have included it?

I believe the answer is a wholehearted YES!!!!!!

Now, ask yourself why there are no male equivalents to BCP and norplant (etc) on the market......
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They probably would include it and I don't know... why?
 
year2late said:
I am curious. Do you think if there was prescription birth control for men - would they have included it?

I believe the answer is a wholehearted YES!!!!!!

Now, ask yourself why there are no male equivalents to BCP and norplant (etc) on the market......
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Because they haven't figured out how to do it without serious side effects. The last one they were using something that would will kill someone if used all the time and the time before that it was likely to cause testicle cancer.
 
Bodhisattva said:
They probably would include it and I don't know... why?
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Only because of equal protection issues though. It's really no different than several of the issues that came up for women and the laws ended up being applied to both.
 
Bodhisattva said:
What he is saying Thumper is that if you agree with me you have nothing of merit because what I have to say is different than the current system. I want change but since change is different than the current system any change will be wrong, because it is different than the current system. The current system is the ONLY system of merit. Heck, all you will get from judges are dead, silent stares off into space if you present something different to them... it is so antiquated ...
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You have been working overtime for a very long time to make me the villain in this and thats okay.

In my own defense I have agreed a 100 times that at least all of the inequalities that I posted on #655 exist. They are real. I personally have no solution. Said it many times. But just as a yet to be born are not equal to born person, you will find formulating an opt out law that is truly an equal solution without legal or Constitutional conflicts - to be equally difficult, in my opinion, which isn't worth the ink on this post.

I hope you and Thumper work it out and submit it to the authorities that will best make use of your solution. Good luck and I sincerely mean it.
 
Henrin said:
Because they haven't figured out how to do it without serious side effects. The last one they were using something that would will kill someone if used all the time and the time before that it was likely to cause testicle cancer.
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Can you show the study that say it would kill someone if used all the time?

The usual side effects were weight gain, acne, and mood swings. (sound familiar?;))

BCP for women are known to cause blood clots, strokes, pulmonary emboli as well as the usual minor side effects.

They have been fine tuning female birth control for decades. It is almost like men need for it to be perfect on the first attempt.
 
Removable Mind said:
You have been working overtime for a very long time to make me the villain in this and thats okay.

In my own defense I have agreed a 100 times that at least all of the inequalities that I posted on #655 exist. They are real. I personally have no solution. Said it many times. But just as a yet to be born are not equal to born person, you will find formulating an opt out law that is truly an equal solution without legal or Constitutional conflicts - to be equally difficult, in my opinion, which isn't worth the ink on this post.

I hope you and Thumper work it out and submit it to the authorities that will best make use of your solution. Good luck and I sincerely mean it.
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I never said you are the bad guy. I have pointed out fallacies and you got mad. I edited out the portion which was not relevant to what I wanted to comment about and you freaked out basically putting me on ignore. Ever since then things have been semi-terse. From my point of view it is all in how you reacted. *shrugs*
 
Removable Mind said:
You have been working overtime for a very long time to make me the villain in this and thats okay.

In my own defense I have agreed a 100 times that at least all of the inequalities that I posted on #655 exist. They are real. I personally have no solution. Said it many times. But just as a yet to be born are not equal to born person, you will find formulating an opt out law that is truly an equal solution without legal or Constitutional conflicts - to be equally difficult, in my opinion, which isn't worth the ink on this post.

I hope you and Thumper work it out and submit it to the authorities that will best make use of your solution. Good luck and I sincerely mean it.
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Earlier on you said there was no inequality.
 
year2late said:
Can you show the study that say it would kill someone if used all the time?

The usual side effects were weight gain, acne, and mood swings. (sound familiar?;))

BCP for women are known to cause blood clots, strokes, pulmonary emboli as well as the usual minor side effects.

They have been fine tuning female birth control for decades. It is almost like men need for it to be perfect on the first attempt.
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It was using a drug that is extremely dangerous and requires medical supervision when being used. It is not designed to be used at all times and it will kill someone if it is. That is why it failed to go anywhere.

Oh and btw, weight gain for men means more testosterone turned to estrogen, which means possible increased risk of ED and breast development. In fact, fat guys commonly do have higher instances of ED and development in their breast glands.

Oh and yeah, if you're ****ing with my balls(which is what you're doing) then it better damn well be perfect.

Note: This is my only comment on this side topic of yours. Once again Year2late, child support threads are not male birth control threads. Stop hijacking the threads already.
 
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Thumper said:
Obviously I can. But you will have to excuse me for not reading through the entire seventy four pages to find it and quote it.
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Then copy and paste where I claim there are no inequalities.

Oh, and it's time to do your magic and backup your claim that it's possible to create equality within in the current laws regarding unwanted pregnancies. In other words, show us how an "Opt Out" law can be created an enforced without legal or Constitutional conflicts.

Hint: Try to avoid the same opinion of what "the" equality solution" is that's related to Bodh's.
 
Removable Mind said:
Then copy and paste where I claim there are no inequalities.

Oh, and it's time to do your magic and backup your claim that it's possible to create equality within in the current laws regarding unwanted pregnancies. In other words, show us how an "Opt Out" law can be created an enforced without legal or Constitutional conflicts.

Hint: Try to avoid the same opinion of what "the" equality solution" is that's related to Bodh's.
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And you said I can't read.

Debating with you really is like playing chess with a pigeon.
 
Thumper said:
And you said I can't read.
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Thats the problem then. Were you looking for the picture version of me saying there aren't any inequalities?

Start with post #198 - 2nd paragraph. Then turn the pages in your DP hymn book to post #240 and scan down to the underlined.

I've been in this forum for years and have repeatedly said that inequalities exist from both the state and federal levels. But you haven't been in DP long enough to know that.

I shouldn't be this kind, but maybe Bodh will read this pick up on how to be a more honest and kind poster.
 
Henrin said:
It was using a drug that is extremely dangerous and requires medical supervision when being used. It is not designed to be used at all times and it will kill someone if it is. That is why it failed to go anywhere.

Oh and btw, weight gain for men means more testosterone turned to estrogen, which means possible increased risk of ED and breast development. In fact, fat guys commonly do have higher instances of ED and development in their breast glands.

Oh and yeah, if you're ****ing with my balls(which is what you're doing) then it better damn well be perfect.

Note: This is my only comment on this side topic of yours. Once again Year2late, child support threads are not male birth control threads. Stop hijacking the threads already.
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Can you show me the study that shows that it would kill someone if used regularly?
 
year2late said:
Can you show me the study that shows that it would kill someone if used regularly?
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I'm not speaking to the topic anymore. Stop trying to hijack the thread. I will however say that your desire to make men fat and have more ED is noted.
 
Henrin said:
I'm not speaking to the topic anymore. Stop trying to hijack the thread. I will however say that your desire to make men fat and have more ED is noted.
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So, when someone asks you to back up your post.....you cry foul.


Noted.
 
Thumper said:
And you said I can't read.

Debating with you really is like playing chess with a pigeon.
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Read post #517, 2nd paragraph.

That really hurts my feelings, but I'll survive.

Edit: sorry, 3rd paragraph.
 
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Henrin said:
You're still hijacking the thread...
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And you still have not backed up your post. You indicated the study showed that the male birth control would kill men if used regularly.

I am in the medical field....so you piqued my curiosity.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am intrigued.
 
year2late said:
And you still have not backed up your post. You indicated the study showed that the male birth control would kill men if used regularly.

I am in the medical field....so you piqued my curiosity.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am intrigued.
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I said nothing about a study. Please quote me ever using the word study in this thread. Thank you.

If you are actually are in the medical field and know the ingredient responsible for retarding the sperm(which is what it does) then you know how dangerous the drug is and you know that it is only used in controlled environments under medical supervision. You also know exactly why it is controlled and why it is not designed to be used all the time.
 
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Henrin said:
It was using a drug that is extremely dangerous and requires medical supervision when being used. It is not designed to be used at all times and it will kill someone if it is. That is why it failed to go anywhere.

Oh and btw, weight gain for men means more testosterone turned to estrogen, which means possible increased risk of ED and breast development. In fact, fat guys commonly do have higher instances of ED and development in their breast glands.

Oh and yeah, if you're ****ing with my balls(which is what you're doing) then it better damn well be perfect.

Note: This is my only comment on this side topic of yours. Once again Year2late, child support threads are not male birth control threads. Stop hijacking the threads already.
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Henrin said:
I said nothing about a study. Please quote me ever using the word study in this thread. Thank you.

If you are actually are in the medical field and know the ingredient responsible for killing the sperm(which is what it does) then you know how dangerous the drug is and you know that it is only used in controlled environments under medical supervision. You also know exactly why it is controlled and why it is not designed to be used all the time.
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So if this drug was not in a study and is not out there approved for prescription.....how is this information known ?

Again, I would like a link to your information.

Not sure why this is such an issue.

I care a lot about trying to make available birth control options for men and women. I am understandably concerned.
 
year2late said:
So if this drug was not in a study and is not out there approved for prescription.....how is this information known ?

Again, I would like a link to your information.

Not sure why this is such an issue.

I care a lot about trying to make available birth control options for men and women. I am understandably concerned.
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I believe it was dropped a while go while still in testing. Basically they figured out the drug they use to put people under can retard sperm but the drug itself is too dangerous for the application, so it was dropped. I imagine they did learn something from it though for future work.
 
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