Child Support

[Thumper]

so why should you not have to support your kid? why should the rest of society be burdened? you have yet to give a logical answer to the question.
just likek bod and mind.

I dont believe society should be required to support the kid either.

 

[Henrin]

I wonder how many men were never told that their children were given away.

I bet a good percentage of them affected. The woman is not required to do anything in that regard, so they probably don't.

 

[Henrin]

so why should you not have to support your kid? why should the rest of society be burdened? you have yet to give a logical answer to the question.
just likek bod and mind.

You wouldn't accept any answer to that question nor would you consider any answer to that question logical. It is however utterly absurd to suggest that the man leaving the support of the child to the mother is somehow burdening all of society with the kid.

 

[ludin]

You wouldn't accept any answer to that question nor would you consider any answer to that question logical. It is however utterly absurd to suggest that the man leaving the support of the child to the mother is somehow burdening all of society with the kid.

You haven't given an answer of why you shouldn't have to support your kid and should be allowed to dump it on society.
It is because then that mother goes and files for assistance. Which means the taxpayers than have to pay out more money than what they
should when you should by paying for your child not us.

how you don't get this already is beyond me.

 

[Henrin]

You haven't given an answer of why you shouldn't have to support your kid and should be allowed to dump it on society.

Because the question makes no sense. The man is leaving the kid with the mother. If the mother in turn goes to the state that is on her, not the man. The best you can say is that the man deciding on his own to support the kid could have avoided her action, but you can't say he made her do that.

It is because then that mother goes and files for assistance. Which means the taxpayers than have to pay out more money than what they
should when you should by paying for your child not us.

It seems to me the parties involved in that matter are the mother and the state.

 

[Removable Mind]

I wonder how many men were never told that their children were given away.

But thats beside the point. So. Since women can opt out. Shouldnt men be able to?

Scenario. Woman gets pregnant. Decides to keep baby. Doesnt tell man for a couple years. Tells man goes after him for child support. He was never given the opertunity to opt out as she could have.

I wonder how many men have begged their pregnant sexual partner to get an abortion?

 

[Henrin]

I wonder how many men have begged their pregnant sexual partner to get an abortion?

There is a difference between a douche private citizen begging for an abortion and the government not even telling men that their children are in the system.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

I wonder how many men have begged their pregnant sexual partner to get an abortion?

I would honestly like to see numbers on that. I bet very few as they'll just skip to step two which is to abandon their sexual partner.

 

[Removable Mind]

There is a difference between a douche private citizen begging for an abortion and the government not even telling men that their children are in the system.

You mean all of the children who would be feral if you have the power over reproductive laws?

I'll challenge you to get the statistics or some reliable source that has polled men, asking them if they ever strongly urged their pregnant sex partner to get an abortion.

I bet the number is VERY HIGH.

 

[Henrin]

You mean all of the children who would be feral if you have the power over reproductive laws?

I'll challenge you to get the statistics or some reliable source that has polled men, asking them if they ever strongly urged their pregnant sex partner to get an abortion.

I bet the number is VERY HIGH.

I mean the government not even bothering to require the woman to tell them who the father is. I'm talking about the state going through no trouble whatsoever to even bother to lean towards informing men that they just agreed with the mother to take their kid and put them into the system. Whatever private citizens are doing when it comes to demanding for abortions doesn't excuse the government ignoring fathers like they are.

Just in case you're wondering we now up to two cases in this thread alone where the government is ignoring the rights of men.

 

[Thumper]

I wonder how many men have begged their pregnant sexual partner to get an abortion?

Typical response for folks that cant see that their side of the argument is flawed.

Good job avoiding the actual debate at hand.

 

[Removable Mind]

Typical response for folks that cant see that their side of the argument is flawed.

Good job avoiding the actual debate at hand.

I've been in the Abortion Forum for years now. Child Support have been a topic of discussion many times.

How is my argument flawed?

 

[Henrin]

I've been in the Abortion Forum for years now. Child Support have been a topic of discussion many times.

How is my argument flawed?

Maybe because you're avoiding the topic all together by bringing up something we weren't talking about at the time. Was I supposed to just forget about the topic I was actually talking about and wonder with you down your little side street of yours?

 

[Removable Mind]

Maybe because you're avoiding the topic all together by bringing up something we weren't talking about at the time. Was I supposed to just forget about the topic I was actually talking about and wonder with you down your little side street of yours?

Maybe I'm not avoiding anything. In fact, I'm not. I've written a number of posts within this very thread which actually acknowledges numerous inequities in the law. But I'm sure you haven't bothered to read them, otherwise you wouldn't have posted the above.

 

[Thumper]

I've been in the Abortion Forum for years now. Child Support have been a topic of discussion many times.

How is my argument flawed?

Because trying to convince someone to do something they dont want to do and forcing them through the courts under the threat of violence are two completely different things.

 

[Henrin]

Maybe I'm not avoiding anything. In fact, I'm not. I've written a number of posts within this very thread which actually acknowledges numerous inequities in the law. But I'm sure you haven't bothered to read them, otherwise you wouldn't have posted the above.

Lol inequality? Seriously? The state went out of it's way here to violate the fathers rights. They ****ing purposely decided that women can just give the kid up for adoption without informing the father. They ****ing purposely decided that they would not inform the father if they decided to take his kid. Hell, they even decided that the woman didn't have to tell them **** about the father. Calling that a mere inequality is an insult to the English language.

The state here showed absolutely ZERO regard for men when they created the law and yet you want to just call it an inequality? **** man...

 

[Removable Mind]

Because trying to convince someone to do something they don't want to do and forcing them through the courts under the threat of violence are two completely different things.

Cite my actual flaws in my arguments.

And be aware that there are sources, which provide information about coercive men who try to force and/or strongly encourage their pregnant sex partners to abort.

Again, I've posted a number of posts within this thread where I acknowledge many of the inequities in reproductive laws, from state and federal perspectives. You can thumb through the thread and read them...if you so choose to.

You don't seem to see the big picture or recognize all of the parties involved regarding child support. Nor have I seen you provided solutions to any of these inequities. If you take on that task, you'll find it difficult to do without infringing on the rights of one or more of the (five) parties involved in custody and child support cases.

 

[Henrin]

Cite my actual flaws in my arguments.

And be aware that there are sources, which provide information about coercive men who try to force and/or strongly encourage their pregnant sex partners to abort.

Again, I've posted a number of posts within this thread where I acknowledge many of the inequities in reproductive laws, from state and federal perspectives. You can thumb through the thread and read them...if you so choose to.

You don't seem to see the big picture or recognize all of the parties involved regarding child support. Nor have I seen you provided solutions to any of these inequities. If you take on that task, you'll find it difficult to do without infringing on the rights of one or more of the (five) parties involved in custody and child support cases.

What is even the point of this distraction you're on? Strongly encouraging abortion is not a crime or even something women can't deal with.

 

[Removable Mind]

What is even the point of this distraction you're on? Strongly encouraging abortion is not a crime or even something women can't deal with.

Abortion isn't a crime either. But you all but claim that it should be. You're anti-abortion, are you not?

The point is: Men know that they laws regarding child support exist in every state in the nation. When they've co-conceived an unwanted pregnancy - many men will attempt to persuade by coercion or strongly encourage their sex partners to abort in order to avoid 18 years of child support.

 

[Henrin]

Abortion isn't a crime either. But you all but claim that it should be. You're anti-abortion, are you not?

The point is: Men know that they laws regarding child support exist in every state in the nation. When they've co-conceived an unwanted pregnancy - many men will attempt to persuade by coercion or strongly encourage their sex partners to abort in order to avoid 18 years of child support.

So what if they know and they take steps to avoid it? Doesn't that show they don't consent to a child?

 

[Bodi]

let me know when you actually have an argument to begin with.

Stop trying to derail the argument.

 

[Removable Mind]

So what if they know and they take steps to avoid it? Doesn't that show they don't consent to a child?

After the fact doesn't prove intent or consent or no consent prior to sex if one happens to show up on a pregnancy test.

 

[Thumper]

Cite my actual flaws in my arguments.

And be aware that there are sources, which provide information about coercive men who try to force and/or strongly encourage their pregnant sex partners to abort.

Again, I've posted a number of posts within this thread where I acknowledge many of the inequities in reproductive laws, from state and federal perspectives. You can thumb through the thread and read them...if you so choose to.

You don't seem to see the big picture or recognize all of the parties involved regarding child support. Nor have I seen you provided solutions to any of these inequities. If you take on that task, you'll find it difficult to do without infringing on the rights of one or more of the (five) parties involved in custody and child support cases.

Arguments like yours always remind me that experience doesnt equal profeciency.
Its very simple.

Man can not force woman through a court of law to have an abortion after they both consented to the act of making the child. Woman can choose to have abortion.

Once baby is born theres no reasonable way the man could go take the kid from mom to give it away under the baby moses law without her knowing baby is gone. But mom can give baby away without the father ever knowinf sje was pregnant with his kid. If mom wants to force dad to support the kid she can through the courts. She can also force him to see the kid through the courts.

Woman can force man into parenthood. But man can not force woman into parenthood. Inequality.

 

[Bodi]

Thumper -"Scenario. Woman gets pregnant. Decides to keep baby. Doesnt tell man for a couple years. Tells man goes after him for child support. He was never given the opertunity to opt out as she could have"

I wonder how many men have begged their pregnant sexual partner to get an abortion?

You are actually trying to compare the two??

 

[Henrin]

After the fact doesn't prove intent or consent or no consent prior to sex if one happens to show up on a pregnancy test.

There is no reason to expect that he consented by having sex. Furthermore, why is consent to sex consent to a child for men? Why in the hell doesn't that apply to women at all? Hell, even giving birth isn't consent to a kid for women.