Child Support

[BlackBook]

Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutional right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course, there are some exceptions)

Discuss.

Hey guys, keep it in your pants and you won't have to worry about any of this.

 

[Henrin]

Hey guys, keep it in your pants and you won't have to worry about any of this.

Do you perhaps have something that works towards solving legal issues?

 

[BlackBook]

Do you perhaps have something that works towards solving legal issues?

If you sire a child, you should pay child support. There's nothing to be "solved" here. The current system is the way it should be and should remain in place.

• If you don't like abortion, don't have an abortion.
• If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry the same sex.
• If you don't like child support, don't have a child.

If you want to retain control, exercise self-control. When you put it in her you are giving her control. You can't take it back.

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[Henrin]

If you sire a child, you should pay child support. There's nothing to be "solved" here. The current system is the way it should be and should remain in place.

• If you don't like abortion, don't have an abortion.
• If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry the same sex.
• If you don't like child support, don't have a child.

If you want to retain control, exercise self-control. When you put it in her you are giving her control. You can't take it back.

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So basically men are slaves of women and women are not the slaves of their pregnancies. How nice.

 

[DA60]

So your argument to a man or women is that if you do not want a child abstain from sex forever?

No, it's if you are not prepared to support a child you fathered, don't have sex and/or get snipped.

Also... you can leave your moral argument at the door. Don't care in the slightest how superior you feel.

I will throw the moral argument around whenever I wish. And no one is superior to anyone - but if you are for ignoring your financial obligations of a child you fathered - you are pathetic on this subject. Deadbeat dad's make me sick.

And finally you didnt address the actual argument that if she cant support the kid without his help... in my scenario she would abort so there is no kid.

I could care less about your argument. The basis for your argument is staggering selfishness.

The fact you apparently don't see that speaks volumes about you as a person.


Btw - I dare you to tell a woman you are about to have sex with 'btw, if you get pregnant with my child - there is no way I will financially support it'. Unless she is an idiot or staggeringly drunk/drugged - my guess is you will not be getting any that night.

 

[Thumper]

If you sire a child, you should pay child support. There's nothing to be "solved" here. The current system is the way it should be and should remain in place.

• If you don't like abortion, don't have an abortion.
• If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry the same sex.
• If you don't like child support, don't have a child.

If you want to retain control, exercise self-control. When you put it in her you are giving her control. You can't take it back.

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So you arent for equal rights and you think that men aught to be held to a higher standard of reaponsibility than women.

Good to know.

 

[Bodi]

How can things be exactly equal when biologically we are not exactly equal.

This is as equal as we get given the distinct biological inequality. Since a man cannot choose abortion, the best he can do to avoid supporting children he does not want is to choose a partner wisely and wear a condom each and every time - no matter what birth control the woman is using. Each and every time he chooses to be sexually active.

Yeah, it seems unfair that a woman has an extra reproductive choice that if she does not choose it will affect a man for 18 years. I get it

The way to pragmatically even things out is to push for a way to give men a chance at near 100 percent effective contraception that men who do not want to take any chance at accidental fatherhood could choose.

Because as much as you make this about men's rights.....first and foremost it will be about the child that is born and how to support it. The child's rights. And beyond that, the government will have taxpayers not wanting to support children that are not their own (if possible).

It is not sexist when there are innately unequal biological choices that lead to different biological consequences.

Pragmatism is the only answer.

You don't get it. You keep talking about biological choice and what happens when their is a child when the argument is about legal rights prior to birth that would lead to no child. I give up.

 

[Bodi]

Unless both parties agree to
a. raise the child.
b. abort or
c. put the child up for adoption.

there is no fair and equitable path on this issue. Any decision other than agreement between the two will force inequality.

force an abortion - unfair to the woman
force the woman to be a mother - unfair to the woman
force the man to be a father - unfair to the man
force me and others to pay for the child - unfair to everyone else.

She informs man she is pregnant. He opts out. She can abort. She can keep the child and raise it on her own.

None of what you said applies.

 

[Bodi]

"Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutiinal right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions)

Discuss."

I have addressed this previously in my posts

How do you feel about a man being able to opt out of child support? The argument is really about equal rights to being a parent. The woman can opt out. The man can't. This is 100% a legal argument since it is about legally attaching the child to the parent but since a woman can obviously abort a child she can not support the issue is really NEVER about pure biology or about the child because there is no child to be supported yet. She can abort.

 

[Thumper]

She informs man she is pregnant. He opts out. She can abort. She can keep the child and raise it on her own.

None of what you said applies.

In addendum. Women can opt out of parenthood directly after birth by leaving the child with any responsible adult. IE dropping the kid off at a police station or hospital.

Men can not refuse to support the child.

 

[cuban smokes]

How do you feel about a man being able to opt out of child support? The argument is really about equal rights to being a parent. The woman can opt out. The man can't. This is 100% a legal argument since it is about legally attaching the child to the parent but since a woman can obviously abort a child she can not support the issue is really NEVER about pure biology or about the child because there is no child to be supported yet. She can abort.

if the man is the one responsible for getting the woman pregnant, if this can be proven with a DNA test, and if there is a living child, then NO; why should the man be able to opt out?

 

[Bodi]

Hey guys, keep it in your pants and you won't have to worry about any of this.

Now how about you address the legal inequalities regarding being a parent or not.

A man can be forced into parenthood. A woman can never be forced into parenthood.

Discuss.

If you sire a child, you should pay child support. There's nothing to be "solved" here. The current system is the way it should be and should remain in place.

That is your opinion.

If you don't like abortion, don't have an abortion.

Straw Man. Men can't have an abortion.

If you don't like same-sex marriage, don't marry the same sex.

Straw Man. This is about abortion.

If you don't like child support, don't have a child.

Straw Man. This is about legal inequalities.

If you want to retain control, exercise self-control. When you put it in her you are giving her control. You can't take it back.

Sure you can. Just not legally.

How come men's biological options are illegal but a woman's are legal.

More inequality.

 

[Bodi]

if the man is the one responsible for getting the woman pregnant, if this can be proven with a DNA test, and if there is a living child, then NO; why should the man be able to opt out?

Why should the woman be able to opt out. You argue for sexist and unequal human rights violations. Why?

 

[Henrin]

if the man is the one responsible for getting the woman pregnant, if this can be proven with a DNA test, and if there is a living child, then NO; why should the man be able to opt out?

Why should the state force him to give them his DNA? Did he commit a crime?

 

[Bodi]

In addendum. Women can opt out of parenthood directly after birth by leaving the child with any responsible adult. IE dropping the kid off at a police station or hospital.

Men can not refuse to support the child.

You are arguing for continuing the sexist and hypocritical system as it stands now where there are not equal rights.

I am arguing for change so that there are equal rights.

There is a difference.

 

[Removable Mind]

Hey guys, keep it in your pants and you won't have to worry about any of this.

Does masturbation still cause blindness? I haven't read the latest update on that issue from the Pope.

 

[Thumper]

if the man is the one responsible for getting the woman pregnant, if this can be proven with a DNA test, and if there is a living child, then NO; why should the man be able to opt out?

Why are women able to opt out but men are not?

 

[Removable Mind]

You mean like your "factual argument" that men must be forced to support their children because of the constitution? Hint: The Constitution doesn't bind the man to his children. Your claims on the constitution when it comes to child support are laughable.

The Constitution binds children to women? Or, vice versa?

 

[cuban smokes]

Why should the woman be able to opt out. You argue for sexist and unequal human rights violations. Why?

did I say she should be able too?

 

[Bodi]

No, it's if you are not prepared to support a child you fathered, don't have sex and/or get snipped.

I will throw the moral argument around whenever I wish. And no one is superior to anyone - but if you are for ignoring your financial obligations of a child you fathered - you are pathetic on this subject. Deadbeat dad's make me sick.



I could care less about your argument. The basis for your argument is staggering selfishness.

The fact you apparently don't see that speaks volumes about you as a person.


Btw - I dare you to tell a woman you are about to have sex with 'btw, if you get pregnant with my child - there is no way I will financially support it'. Unless she is an idiot or staggeringly drunk/drugged - my guess is you will not be getting any that night.

Since you decided to go the pathetic personal attacks that are ignorantly incorrect and kinda stupid I guess we are done?

Unless... you can address the argument, that is? Pretend this is not about what you think it is and instead about legal equality for a minute.

 

[cuban smokes]

Why are women able to opt out but men are not?

see my last post ......

 

[Bodi]

did I say she should be able too?

So you are pro-life then?

 

[cuban smokes]

So you are pro-life then?

I am pro choice; possession is 9/10 of ownership IMO

as I stated previously = those that procreate need to consider the potential ramifications of their actions before they go & do the wild monkey dance; get it?

unintended consequences can occur in just about any scenario; best be prepared for them ahead of time

people now days act as if they are entitled to anything & everything; even freedom from the results of their own selfish actions

haha ...........

 

[Henrin]

The Constitution binds children to women? Or, vice versa?

No. Why would it?

 

[Bodi]

why should the man be able to opt out?

Why should the woman be able to opt out.

did I say she should be able too?

So you are pro-life then?

I am pro choice;

This really doesn't make much sense. He should not be able to opt out and neither should she but you support abortion?