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Child Support

Babylon_Drifter said:
I've noticed some segments of the pro-"life" movement have trouble dealing with the fact that women A) want to have an abortion and B) are independently determined to have them. They have trouble dealing with this and thus they have to imagine a fantasy world where it isn't happening. It is why you see people like Onto do complex mental gymnastics in trying to explain how the obvious really isn't happening. Either they blame men or abortion providers but never the women themselves. They have to be the victims!

BTW, I am still waiting for Onto to show proof of how there has been a millennial of pro-choice mind control over women.
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Yes. Have you noticed that, when asked what punishment women should be given for having abortions, only a few will send them to prison for murder? Many of them want to punish the doctor, but not the woman - it's something you see on posts all over the web. They are incapable of believing that women actually make decisions for themselves without being controlled by men.

Meanwhile, I think the mind control fantasy Ontologuy has in mind goes something like this - Women naturally want men, not just as temporary sex objects, nor as friends and neighbors, but as long-term live-in lovers/providers/protectors, but what he calls "pro-choice men" only want these women as sex objects, so they will leave the women if they get pregnant. Hence, if the women want these guys, they have to forgo getting or staying pregnant.

Did the entire second wave feminist movement, the entire women's liberation movement bypass him, I wonder? Does he not know about the all-female consciousness raising stuff, the feminist collectives, the huge academic and popular literature on "patriarchy" and alternative theories of history, the generation of experimental forms of female organization, with "co-facilitators" instead of singular "presidents," etc.? It is completely amazing.
 
Guess I smashed Ontology into submission... not a feet easily done!
 
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