Chief Justice Roberts warns of threats to judges in year-end report

[EnigmaO01]

Of course, but as far as threatening SCOTUS - the left has the market on that

Can you cite an example(s)?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Can you cite an example(s)?

Yeah I didn't think so.

 

[choiceone]

You started a thread about threats to judges and right out of the gate you are attempting to justify those threats by whining about SCOTUS justices passing down decisions you disagree with. Classic modern librul mindet.

That wasn't what the poster was doing. The post was pointing out that, if you overturn decisions that provide federal protections for people, you have to expect to have your own protections threatened in turn. Fail to honor others, they fail to honor you. That's how the cookie crumbles.

 

[choiceone]

Wait, so we shouldn’t be universal in agreement on this?

Not if the judges threaten the life, liberty, and property of other people.

Give a president all that power in a ruling that verges on recognizing a president as a king and watch how fast people show their hatred of the judicial branch. Which party doesn't matter.

 

[choiceone]

As previously observed:



So cute, your 'Nah-uh' response.


See cited statutes above.

Gimme a break. The guy that went to Kavanaugh's street to attack him was mentally ill, and we all know it.

You can't generalize from that attack to the people who protested, without ever intending to attack Kavanaugh or any other justice physically, because the other people weren't mentally ill.

And FYI, I'd say the same thing if RW people protested - they're not all mentally ill, but if they are, they are, and this isn't a partisan issue. That's why people got mad at the Jan 6 people - they gave them credit for sanity.

 

[eohrnberger]

Gimme a break. The guy that went to Kavanaugh's street to attack him was mentally ill, and we all know it.

If you want to call the majority of the left as mentally ill.

This has been scientifically demonstrated.

Well . . . .

Pew Study: White Liberals Disproportionately Suffer From Mental Illness.

Survey data from a 2020 Pew poll indicates that white liberals disproportionately suffer from mental illness versus their conservative counterparts. The study, which examined white liberals, moderates, and conservatives, both male and female, found that conservatives were far less likely to be...

wibc.com

Why Depression Rates Are Higher Among Liberals

Columbia researchers look at the politics of despair.

magazine.columbia.edu

The Unexpected Relationship Between Ideology and Anxiety

Despite claims that conservatives are more sensitive to threats, evidence suggests that people with left-wing economic views may be more likely to have anxiety disorders.

www.psychologytoday.com

Previous research in political psychology has suggested that people with conservative political attitudes tend to have better physical health than their liberal counterparts (Chan, 2019) (which I discussed in more detail in a previous post). A more recent study (Kirkegaard, 2020) found that political ideology may also be relevant to mental health, as people who are more liberal, especially those identifying as “extremely liberal,” are more likely to have mental health problems. The author suggested that this may be because political conservatism is associated with greater religiosity, which in turn is associated with better physical and mental health. However, the beneficial relationship between religiosity and health has only been found to apply in cultures in which religion is highly respected, and does not occur in more secular cultures (Stavrova, 2015). On the other hand, conservatism and liberalism are associated with the personality traits of conscientiousness and neuroticism, respectively, which are more robustly linked with mental health than religiosity.

Personality Traits, Mental Illness, and Ideology

Survey data show that extreme liberals have poorer mental health than conservatives. Could this be linked to greater emotional vulnerability?

www.psychologytoday.com

You can't generalize from that attack to the people who protested, without ever intending to attack Kavanaugh or any other justice physically, because the other people weren't mentally ill.

The reality is that it is against federal law to threaten or influence judges, this law has been cited in these forums a number of times already.
The protest outside of SCOTUS justices homes was illegal, as they were, in fact, trying to threaten and influence those justices.

And FYI, I'd say the same thing if RW people protested - they're not all mentally ill, but if they are, they are, and this isn't a partisan issue. That's why people got mad at the Jan 6 people - they gave them credit for sanity.

That Jan 6 political protest was fine and legal. the spontaneous riot which broke out was not.

 

[AZRWinger]

That wasn't what the poster was doing. The post was pointing out that, if you overturn decisions that provide federal protections for people, you have to expect to have your own protections threatened in turn. Fail to honor others, they fail to honor you. That's how the cookie crumbles.

So a Democrat approved violent lynch mob is "failing to honor" people who displease them. That's what Democrats define as the rule of law.

Terrorists besieging SCOTUS justices homes with their families inside is just how the cookie crumbles. No big deal because they didn't vote the right way.

 

[AZRWinger]

Not if the judges threaten the life, liberty, and property of other people.

Give a president all that power in a ruling that verges on recognizing a president as a king and watch how fast people show their hatred of the judicial branch. Which party doesn't matter.

We don't have to rely on your speculation. We saw how the Leftists reacted when Dobbs didn't go their way, mobs threatening the justice's families complete with an armed assassin. No Republicans reported on scene. It shows party does matter.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Should he be concerned?

He's a racist MAGA scumbag who is not supposed to be political.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

So a Democrat approved violent lynch mob is "failing to honor" people who displease them. That's what Democrats define as the rule of law.

This is nonsensical reich-wing bullshit.

Terrorists besieging SCOTUS justices homes with their families inside is just how the cookie crumbles. No big deal because they didn't vote the right way.

No terrorists besieged the homes of the SCOTUS justices. Stop spewing faux bullshit.

Those were protestors for the most part.

Try telling the truth.

 

[Operative13]

Regardless of the man's politics, the Chief Justice is correct to assert that threats are not tolerated. This is a universal given anywhere.

Besides the obvious, SCOTUS has a critical function as enforcers of the legal system. Without them, the laws passed by Congress simply become "suggestions" rather than something to be followed.

 

[choiceone]

If you want to call the majority of the left as mentally ill.

This has been scientifically demonstrated.

BS

The reality is that it is against federal law to threaten or influence judges, this law has been cited in these forums a number of times already.
The protest outside of SCOTUS justices homes was illegal, as they were, in fact, trying to threaten and influence those justices.

The protesters weren't trying to threaten and influence the justices - the justices had already made their decisions. The protesters were trying to demonstrate that they didn't agree with decisions already made.

That Jan 6 political protest was fine and legal. the spontaneous riot which broke out was not.

Agreed that the protest was legal as long as it didn't involve violence. I don't think all of the violence came spontaneously - some of it was clearly planned, but only by some people.

 

[choiceone]

So a Democrat approved violent lynch mob is "failing to honor" people who displease them. That's what Democrats define as the rule of law.

First, the mentally ill guy who went to Kavanaugh's home street with a weapon was not a lynch mob. Second, I never said any lynch mob was involved in any of the protests involved.

However, I do think that, if you incite sufficient fear in people, you can expect them to incite fear in you in return, not within the rule of law, but within the patterns of human psychology.

Terrorists besieging SCOTUS justices homes with their families inside is just how the cookie crumbles. No big deal because they didn't vote the right way.

The protesters in the justices' neighborhoods were not terrorists and were not "besieging" their homes.

But again, I'm talking about human psychology. When a husband beats his wife seriously enough enough times, she may be sufficiently fearful to end up killing him. That this is largely predictable doesn't make killing him right or no big deal, just predictable.

 

[Lord of Planar]

"Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. on Tuesday warned that judges nationwide are under increasing threat from violence, intimidation, disinformation and officials threatening to defy lawful court decisions.

The justice’s message follows a large jump in threats against judges and other public officials, as the nation’s polarized politics have taken an increasingly acrimonious turn. The U.S. Marshals Service reported that threats against judges have tripled over the last decade, and they investigated more than 1,300 incidents in 2022.

The Supreme Court has come in for harsh public criticism — and sometimes threats — in recent years, following contentious decisions and a string of controversies over the ethics of the justices."

Link

The right-wingers on the court overturning loning standing precedents for political reasons probably doesnt help their cause.

Meanwhile a flag brandished during the 1/6 insurrection displayed at justice's house suggests he's not too concerned about intimidation.

Stop rationalization hate and violence. Stop excusing and accepting it. When you do that, you give power to criminals.

 

[choiceone]

We don't have to rely on your speculation. We saw how the Leftists reacted when Dobbs didn't go their way, mobs threatening the justice's families complete with an armed assassin. No Republicans reported on scene. It shows party does matter.

Before Dobbs, and in some incidents later on, Republican opponents of abortion when Roe and Casey had not gone their way published hit lists online, and there were doctors who were deliberately murdered by extremists.

As I said, this isn't about what is partisan.

 

[eohrnberger]

BS

You are free to disagree with the scientific studies cited.

The protesters weren't trying to threaten and influence the justices - the justices had already made their decisions. The protesters were trying to demonstrate that they didn't agree with decisions already made.

The protests were the physical manifestation of the manifestation of Schumer's 'Released the whirlwind' and 'Pay the price'.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/06/08/2020_flashback_schumer_tells_kavanaugh_you_have_released_the_whirlwind_and_you_will_pay_the_price.html

Agreed that the protest was legal as long as it didn't involve violence. I don't think all of the violence came spontaneously - some of it was clearly planned, but only by some people.

Not so much when you consider:

The fact is that there was no attempt to enter the Capitol until the Capitol Police were instructed by "someone" to fire into the crowd with rubber bullets and began to use both stun and tear gas grenades tossed and fired into said crowd.

Prior to that point, the crowd had pushed up to the final line of barricades at the bottom of the steps leading up to the Capitol building. At that point they stopped and were milling around (likely IMO waiting for Trump to arrive) behind that final line of barricades.

BREAKING: J6 footage reveals Capitol Police fired into peaceful crowd, gave no warnings

“The police indiscriminately fired flash bangs, non-lethal munitions into a crowd that was otherwise just milling around.”

humanevents.com

IMO if the Capitol Police had simply left the crowd alone while they were simply milling around beyond the last barricade likely waiting for Trump to arrive so they would have the closest view, there would not have been a riot response.

 

[AZRWinger]

First, the mentally ill guy who went to Kavanaugh's home street with a weapon was not a lynch mob. Second, I never said any lynch mob was involved in any of the protests involved.

What do you think inspired the would be assassin to journey across the country with weaponry expressly to assassinate a SCOTUS Justice? What was the motivation to leak the draft opinion if not to inspire violent protests?

However, I do think that, if you incite sufficient fear in people, you can expect them to incite fear in you in return, not within the rule of law, but within the patterns of human psychology.

Savagery in response to court decisions you disagree with is just natural. Decisions should be made with the reaction of the mob in mind. Brilliant.

The protesters in the justices' neighborhoods were not terrorists and were not "besieging" their homes.

Federal marshals had to be deployed to protect the Justices. But trust the angry, fearful mob to self regulate. Nonsense.

But again, I'm talking about human psychology. When a husband beats his wife seriously enough enough times, she may be sufficiently fearful to end up killing him. That this is largely predictable doesn't make killing him right or no big deal, just predictable.

Just as the abused spouse has alternatives to murder so too does the violent mob of protesters. Of course there is the role of Democrats encouraging the violent mob and the deep state bureaucracy covering up the leaker inciting the mob.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

What do you think inspired the would be assassin to journey across the country with weaponry expressly to assassinate a SCOTUS Justice? What was the motivation to leak the draft opinion if not to inspire violent protests?

A seething dislike of a bunch of asshat justices who served their religion rather than the law.

Savagery in response to court decisions you disagree with is just natural. Decisions should be made with the reaction of the mob in mind. Brilliant.

Your side tried to overthrow the government. You have no moral high ground.

Federal marshals had to be deployed to protect the Justices. But trust the angry, fearful mob to self regulate. Nonsense.

You never had an issue with the MAGA terrorists who attacked the capitol on 1/6/21. You do not get to have an issue now.

Just as the abused spouse has alternatives to murder so too does the violent mob of protesters. Of course there is the role of Democrats encouraging the violent mob and the deep state bureaucracy covering up the leaker inciting the mob.

The Democrats did no such thing.

Turn the Faux off.

They lied to you, and they admitted they lied to you.

 

[AZRWinger]

A seething dislike of a bunch of asshat justices who served their religion rather than the law.

Your side tried to overthrow the government. You have no moral high ground.

You never had an issue with the MAGA terrorists who attacked the capitol on 1/6/21. You do not get to have an issue now.


The Democrats did no such thing.

Turn the Faux off.

They lied to you, and they admitted they lied to you.

Thanks for the additional confirmation Leftists support violence against SCOTUS Justices who make decisions they disagree with. The attempt at justification of terrorizing Justices and their families because of J6 vividly portrays the absurd rationalization of Marxist Democrats.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Thanks for the additional confirmation Leftists support violence against SCOTUS Justices who make decisions they disagree with. The attempt at justification of terrorizing Justices and their families because of J6 vividly portrays the absurd rationalization of Marxist Democrats.

I never said I supported violence.

Protesting in the streets is not terrorizing anybody.

The right-wing wouldn't know what a Marxist was if Marx himself walked up and slapped them across the face.

The right using that term is little more than a slur.

 

[choiceone]

What do you think inspired the would be assassin to journey across the country with weaponry expressly to assassinate a SCOTUS Justice?

If you read the reports carefully, the guy was not at all clear about his own motive.

What was the motivation to leak the draft opinion if not to inspire violent protests?

The purpose was obviously to alert pro-choice people and organizations so that they would have time to prepare for the end result. Because the SC decision would be effective immediately, all people to who it was relevant would need that time to prepare for it. They got something like six weeks.

Savagery in response to court decisions you disagree with is just natural. Decisions should be made with the reaction of the mob in mind. Brilliant.

I didn't say anything about how decisions should be made. I merely pointed out the effect of human nature on human behavior.

Federal marshals had to be deployed to protect the Justices. But trust the angry, fearful mob to self regulate. Nonsense.

No one had to threaten their lives. They themselves, in their decision, caused some women's lives to be threatened. If it is natural that what goes around comes around eventually, as I do believe, a mob wasn't necessary for their lives to be threatened - they could have been threatened by earthquake, tornado, etc. You get what you give. I wouldn't even be surprised if, ten years after the decision, Alito died.

Just as the abused spouse has alternatives to murder so too does the violent mob of protesters. Of course there is the role of Democrats encouraging the violent mob and the deep state bureaucracy covering up the leaker inciting the mob.

I don't encourage violence or any kind of cover up. But when the right wing gets evil after giving it, I'm not at all surprised. That's called natural justice.

 

[choiceone]

A seething dislike of a bunch of asshat justices who served their religion rather than the law.

Your side tried to overthrow the government. You have no moral high ground.

You never had an issue with the MAGA terrorists who attacked the capitol on 1/6/21. You do not get to have an issue now.


The Democrats did no such thing.

Turn the Faux off.

They lied to you, and they admitted they lied to you.

May the true God bless you with prosperity and peace.

 

[AZRWinger]

If you read the reports carefully, the guy was not at all clear about his own motive.

Right, he traveled across the country armed himself and randomly selected the author of the illegally leaked Dobbs decision draft? Nonsense.

The purpose was obviously to alert pro-choice people and organizations so that they would have time to prepare for the end result. Because the SC decision would be effective immediately, all people to who it was relevant would need that time to prepare for it. They got something like six weeks.

Nonsense. The Dobbs decision returned control of abortion to the states. State regulation does not happen overnight.

All SCOTUS decisions are released suddenly. So, is it OK to steal draft decisions so they can be prepared for? Leftist thugs didn't make preparation based on the decision, they besieged the Justice's family home threatening his family with demands he change the decision.

Stealing draft SCOTUS decisions is a felony. But, don't worry, the crack investigators just couldn't find the perpetrators. An implicit endorsement of the crime.

I didn't say anything about how decisions should be made. I merely pointed out the effect of human nature on human behavior.

So, anytime someone takes offense to a court's they should give full reign to "human nature" even if that includes violence against the judge and their family.

No one had to threaten their lives. They themselves, in their decision, caused some women's lives to be threatened. If it is natural that what goes around comes around eventually, as I do believe, a mob wasn't necessary for their lives to be threatened - they could have been threatened by earthquake, tornado, etc. You get what you give. I wouldn't even be surprised if, ten years after the decision, Alito died.

The Leftist thugs besieging the Justices and family aren't agents of Karmic justice.

I don't encourage violence or any kind of cover up. But when the right wing gets evil after giving it, I'm not at all surprised. That's called natural justice.

Again an endorsement of criminal activity as a valid political tool.

 

[choiceone]

Right, he traveled across the country armed himself and randomly selected the author of the illegally leaked Dobbs decision draft? Nonsense.

Nonsense. The Dobbs decision returned control of abortion to the states. State regulation does not happen overnight.

Most states with anti-abortion legislatures and governors had all made anti-abortion laws that would go into effect immediately if the SC overturned Roe. That is in fact what happened.

All SCOTUS decisions are released suddenly. So, is it OK to steal draft decisions so they can be prepared for? Leftist thugs didn't make preparation based on the decision, they besieged the Justice's family home threatening his family with demands he change the decision.

I never said it was okay to steal the draft decision. However, we don't even know that the draft was stolen, because anyone who had received a copy of the draft could have made it public anonymously.

The protesters didn't besiege anything. They were out on the sidewalk and street with signs protesting non-violently and not threatening anyone. The signs I saw weren't demanding that Kavanaugh change the decision, just protesting it.

Stealing draft SCOTUS decisions is a felony. But, don't worry, the crack investigators just couldn't find the perpetrators. An implicit endorsement of the crime.

As I said, there's no evidence that the decision was stolen. Anyone who had a copy of it legitimately, which means any of the justices, could simply have made it public anonymously. Alito could have done it himself and then tried to blame others. You're just speculating.

So, anytime someone takes offense to a court's they should give full reign to "human nature" even if that includes violence against the judge and their family.

You're the one claiming it's okay, not me.

The Leftist thugs besieging the Justices and family aren't agents of Karmic justice.

Everything in the world and universe is an agent of karmic justice.
And FYI, most leftists are much too well educated to be thugs, unlike most rightists.

Again an endorsement of criminal activity as a valid political tool.

See? Here you are advertising for it again.