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agreed..
i saw a breif interview on CNN yesterday and the person they were interviewing couldnt even come up with a specific reason.. she spouted some generalized talking point and provided nothing otherwise.
After an all-day negotiating session Sunday, school board President David Vitale told reporters the district had changed its proposal 20 times over the course of talks and didn't have much more to offer.
“This is about as much as we can do,” Vitale said. “There is only so much money in the system.”
Teachers union on strike in Chicago - chicagotribune.com
I like where the sign in the picture says "On Strike for Better Schools". More like "On Strike for Less Accountability".
Isn't it nice to know, you're forced to pay for these things, but they aren't forced to deliver on it.
I'm thrilled about this. Hopefully, the Board of Education will agree to what CTU is demanding. If they do, then fired teachers will be rehired, all students will have art/music/science/phys ed., more students who need it will receive counseling, class sizes will be guaranteed to be smaller and so on. Hopefully, the board will also stop pushing for the unnecessary longer school day. That way, the city can focus on improving the screwed up current school day and the city won't have to spend any more money on salaries and increased resources. It's too bad that the board couldn't just agree to those reasonable terms at the start. If they had, we wouldn't be in this mess.Indeed, they really care about the Kids and the City.This is why Chicago Public Teachers get no respect from the rest of the Teachers in Illinois. One they make it tougher to deal with the IEA and their Union. All my life I have lived here and truthfully. CPS should not be tied to City Politics. Most of these teachers in the City. Not all of them. But most. Are about nothing but a free Ride.
Is this fair to the kids? Fair to Parents? Fair to the City?
700 million shortfall.....JUST FOR CPS alone! Tell me they can say they didnt know? Expect the youth violence and gang violence to increase even more now!Thoughts?
The best thing about Vitale's quote is that he and other city officials are the ones who chose to increase the school unnecessarily and thereby, spend money that doesn't need to be spent.The Chicaco Tribune reported:
"There's only so much money," seems to be the theme of the day the world over.
I'm thrilled about this. Hopefully, the Board of Education will agree to what CTU is demanding. If they do, then fired teachers will be rehired, all students will have art/music/science/phys ed., more students who need it will receive counseling, class sizes will be guaranteed to be smaller and so on. Hopefully, the board will also stop pushing for the unnecessary longer school day. That way, the city can focus on improving the screwed up current school day and the city won't have to spend any more money on salaries and increased resources. It's too bad that the board couldn't just agree to those reasonable terms at the start. If they had, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I like where the sign in the picture says "On Strike for Better Schools". More like "On Strike for Less Accountability".
I don't know that all of them should be rehired. However, when you have a lot of effective veteran teachers fired, not because they are bad, but because of economic or other reasons, it makes sense to rehire them when they are needed (which they are) instead of washing your hands of them and hiring less experienced unproven teachers and college kids from Teach for America.Why should ALL fired teachers be rehired?
Eh, that's not actually accurate. Money is one of the only things teachers have a legal right to bargain for. They can't legally bargain on behalf of the kids alone. As a result, the "raise" is the focus because that's the way the legal system works. If you pay attention, however, you'll notice that the teachers care more about what CPS policies are doing to the students. But that's not a convenient story for those who have a problem with public unions and view asking to be given 20% more compensation for 20% more work as problematic.Both are false. The signs should simply read "ON STRIKE FOR A BIGGER PAY RAISE."
Both are false. The signs should simply read "ON STRIKE FOR A BIGGER PAY RAISE."
Eh, that's not actually accurate. Money is one of the only things teachers have a legal right to bargain for. They can't legally bargain on behalf of the kids alone. As a result, the "raise" is the focus because that's the way the legal system works. If you pay attention, however, you'll notice that the teachers care more about what CPS policies are doing to the students. But that's not a convenient story for those who have a problem with public unions and view asking to be given 20% more compensation for 20% more work as problematic.
When CTU says that it wants art, music, science, computers and phys. ed. guaranteed for all students, they are arguing for an effective means of teaching kids. It's the same with wanting counseling for students who need it and smaller class sizes. Each of those things is about improving education and has nothing to do with "lining their pockets" or "throwing money at teachers." That's a surface analysis of what's happening.Hmmmm so why doesn't the Board of Education and The CTU come up with an Effective means of teaching kids and Implement More Vocational Education. Instead of looking to just throw Money at at teachers or even Administrators. Like with any bureaucracy both tend to game the System for the money and Benefits to line their pockets with.
Yet it is okay with the Union to allow the Sports Programs to go on just so the school can pick up some of that extra money. Both are guilty of playing around with Kids lives all under the vestige that they are doing whats Best for the Kids. Which is another reason to force CPS schools out of City Politics and Government.
You do realize that the IEA publicly supported the CTU strike?Moreover CTU thinks it's Union should be leading the Way in Education.....yet they do not reflect the IEA or anyone else. Plus they CPS schools are not the Norm. They are the Exception to the rule.
So 1) You are uninformed because the IEA disagrees with you and thinks CTU reflects it. 2) You appear to be the exception you're talking about.The 133,000 members of the Illinois Education Association (IEA) offer their full support to the Chicago Teachers Union (CTU) in a fight that is about much more than a contract for the 26,000 CTU members.
CTU is standing up for students and public education everywhere by fighting for an agreement that will be good for students, public schools and the profession of teaching.
IEA supports Chicago’s striking teachers - Illinois Education Association
The Board of Education knows that this isn't ideal for kids either, but they walked away from the table knowing it would lead to strike and refused to meet demands that would help the students.Again.....they know just how this affects each and every Neighborhood in the City. So why should the South Side have to suffer over those that got it made on the North-side. Bet if all those shootings and crimes were all up on the North side. They would be crying a different story about Kids.
This is why Chicago Public Teachers get no respect from the rest of the Teachers in Illinois. One they make it tougher to deal with the IEA and their Union. All my life I have lived here and truthfully. CPS should not be tied to City Politics. Most of these teachers in the City. Not all of them. But most. Are about nothing but a free Ride.
Is this fair to the kids? Fair to Parents? Fair to the City?
700 million shortfall.....JUST FOR CPS alone! Tell me they can say they didnt know? Expect the youth violence and gang violence to increase even more now!Thoughts?
Maggie - you strike me as a basically fair person. Do you think it is proper that if one is asked to perform substantially more labor, than one is appropriately compensated for that increase in work?
For example, if you employ me to cut your lawn once a week and trim the landscape every three weeks and I agree to do this for $150.00 a month and then you state that you also want me to clean out your gutters once a month in addition to my normal tasks, is it not appropriate to ask for more compensation for more work?
Now you know I'm going to agree with that, Haymarket. I think CPS gave away the store and, in these tough economic times, is trying to buy some of it back.
When CTU says that it wants art, music, science, computers and phys. ed. guaranteed for all students, they are arguing for an effective means of teaching kids. It's the same with wanting counseling for students who need it and smaller class sizes. Each of those things is about improving education and has nothing to do with "lining their pockets" or "throwing money at teachers." That's a surface analysis of what's happening.
You do realize that the IEA publicly supported the CTU strike?
So 1) You are uninformed because the IEA disagrees with you and thinks CTU reflects it. 2) You appear to be the exception you're talking about.
The Board of Education knows that this isn't ideal for kids either, but they walked away from the table knowing it would lead to strike and refused to meet demands that would help the students.
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