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Chicago and the Failure of the "Blue Model"

Jack Hays said:
You have made a more questionable claim and failed to support it.
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There is nothing questionable. Census figures which have not changed in half a century bear me out as do various inventories of jobs at that time. Both are well known facts.

You are not disputing any claim of fact I made so no evidence is necessary since we both agree on the facts.
 
haymarket said:
There is nothing questionable. Census figures which have not changed in half a century bear me out as do various inventories of jobs at that time. Both are well known facts.
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Then proof should be easy for you to post. I challenge you to do so.
 
Jack Hays said:
Detroit in the 1950's was doing very well.

Detroit: 1950's - Detroit: Now and Then - Sites - Google

https://sites.google.com/site/detroitnowandthen/detroit-1950-s


In the 50's Detroit was considered the Paris of the west in regards to architecture. It was the home of some of the greatest pre-depression architecture.
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What in that opinion laden piece contradicts the facts that I previously stated about the decade of the 50's under Republican mayors saw a loss in population and jobs and with both a decline in its tax base?

Are you taking issue with any of those three facts?
 
haymarket said:
What in that opinion laden piece contradicts the facts that I previously stated about the decade of the 50's under Republican mayors saw a loss in population and jobs and with both a decline in its tax base?

Are you taking issue with any of those three facts?
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You have provided no facts.
 
Jack Hays said:
You have provided no facts.
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Again, what do I claim that are facts are you taking issue with claiming they are not true? So far, I see you arguing with me about nothing at all.... other than your eagerness to argue with a hated enemy of some circles on this site. Perhaps for you that is enough.
 
haymarket said:
Again, what do I claim that are facts are you taking issue with claiming they are not true? So far, I see you arguing with me about nothing at all.... other than your eagerness to argue with a hated enemy of some circles on this site. Perhaps for you that is enough.
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There's no need to argue because you have provided no substantiation whatever for your claims. You are a debating nullity at this point. Here's something to chew on.

Back in 1960, the city of Detroit actually had the highest per-capita income in the entire nation.

25 Facts About The Fall Of Detroit That Will Leave You ...

Zero Hedge


Jul 21, 2013 - She ruled that Detroit's bankruptcy filing violates the Michigan ... 1960, the city of Detroit actually had the highest per-capita income in the entire ...
 
Jack Hays said:
There's no need to argue because you have provided no substantiation whatever for your claims. ...
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But you did not take issue with any facts I presented claiming they were not true or accurate.

I previously stated in post 28 about the decade of the 50's under Republican mayors saw a loss in population and jobs and with both a decline in its tax base?

Are you taking issue with any of those three facts?
 
Jack Hays said:
There are no facts with which to take issue.
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Sure there are. They are well established.


I previously stated in post 28 about the decade of the 50's under Republican mayors saw a loss in population and jobs and with both a decline in its tax base?

Are you taking issue with any of those three statements I state are long established facts?

the least you can do is have the intestinal fortitude to show your integrity and stand proud and loud and either agree or disagree instead of playing this silly game of yours.
 
haymarket said:
Sure there are. They are well established.


I previously stated in post 28 about the decade of the 50's under Republican mayors saw a loss in population and jobs and with both a decline in its tax base?

Are you taking issue with any of those three statements I state are long established facts?

the least you can do is have the intestinal fortitude to show your integrity and stand proud and loud and either agree or disagree instead of playing this silly game of yours.
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Post #28 includes no substantiation for your claims. They are therefore without merit. Meanwhile, we know that in 1960 Detroit had the highest per capita income in the US, so your claims don't seem credible.

Back in 1960, the city of Detroit actually had the highest per-capita income in the entire nation.
 
Jack Hays said:
Post #28 includes no substantiation for your claims. They are therefore without merit. Meanwhile, we know that in 1960 Detroit had the highest per capita income in the US, so your claims don't seem credible.

Back in 1960, the city of Detroit actually had the highest per-capita income in the entire nation.
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No substantiation to YOU is necessary since YOU are not disputing anything that I stated was a fact.

I said not a thing about per capita income so you are attempting to move the goal posts. It is NOT working.
 
haymarket said:
No substantiation to YOU is necessary since YOU are not disputing anything that I stated was a fact.

I said not a thing about per capita income so you are attempting to move the goal posts. It is NOT working.
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Highest per capita income in the country refutes whatever negative point you were making.
 
Jack Hays said:
Highest per capita income in the country refutes whatever negative point you were making.
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In and of itself it says not a damn thing about the facts I have already presented and which you have been impotent to challenge.

So why have you been doing this for several pages now since you have not challenged one single fact I presented in post 28?
 
haymarket said:
In and of itself it says not a damn thing about the facts I have already presented and which you have been impotent to challenge.

So why have you been doing this for several pages now since you have not challenged one single fact I presented in post 28?
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Again, you have presented no facts. However, if your basic message is that Repub mayors in the 1950's somehow set a course of economic decline then your message is obviously false because in 1960 per capita income in Detroit was the highest in the country. It's over. You lost.
 
Jack Hays said:
Again, you have presented no facts. However, if your basic message is that Repub mayors in the 1950's somehow set a course of economic decline then your message is obviously false because in 1960 per capita income in Detroit was the highest in the country. It's over. You lost.
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You will NOT BE ALLOWED TO DISHONESTLY MOVE THE GOAL POSTS.

Stop it if you have an ounce of integrity remaining in you.

You have utterly failed and been completely impotent to dispute one single fact I stated in my post 28. Not one.

here is my post from 28

And whenever the right wing rips on Detroit and its Democratic mayors blaming them for the cities decline they conveniently ignore the facts that it was two Republican mayors from 1950 through 1961 - Cobo and Mariani - who presided over the start of the population decline and the fleeing of business and the tax base.

Yes, democrats then followed and the decline continued down that same hill.

btw - mayors in Detroit have been elected on a NON PARTISAN basis since 1919.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Detroit

But why let facts get in the way of rabid partisan vitriol?
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Are you disputing that Detroit was governed by two Republican mayors in the decade of the 1950's?

Are you disputing that Detroit suffered a major population decline in that same decade?

Are you disputing that Detroit lost jobs during that same decade?

Are you disputing that both of the above resulted in a loss of tax base during the same decade?

Those were my contentions of fact in post 28.

Which do you dispute? So far you have disputed NONE of them?

All you have to say is this; Mr. Haymarket, I think you are wrong about Detroit having Republican mayors in the 1950s and I will present you verifiable evidence of it.

All you have to say is - Mr. Haymarket sir, I think you are wrong that Detroit suffered a population loss during the 1950's and I will present you verifiable evidence of it.

All you have to say is - Mr. Haymarket sir, I think you are wrong that Detroit lost jobs during the 1950's and I will present you verifiable evidence of it.

But so far you have disputed none of this. Not one thing.
 
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haymarket said:
You will NOT BE ALLOWED TO DISHONESTLY MOVE THE GOAL POSTS.

Stop it if you have an ounce of integrity remaining in you.

You have utterly failed and been completely impotent to dispute one single fact I stated in my post 28. Not one.
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It's over. You lost. Good night.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's over. You lost. Good night.
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Since you have FAILED to dispute one claim of fact I made in post 28, I cannot lose because you failed to even engage in actual debate on what I stated were facts.

Do you mean that it is a good night?

Or do you mean that it is a night to be good during it?

Or do you mean that you surrender?
 
haymarket said:
Since you have FAILED to dispute one claim of fact I made in post 28, I cannot lose because you failed to even engage in actual debate on what I stated were facts.

Do you mean that it is a good night?

Or do you mean that it is a night to be good during it?

Or do you mean that you surrender?
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You lost. This is over. Good night.
 
TurtleDude said:
our local news just noted that Illinois' budget is so screwed up that state lottery winners aren't getting paid and two winners are suing the state to get their winnings.
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You forgot to note that the Illinois Governor is a Republican. And so were three of the last five Governors.
 
Jack Hays said:
You lost. This is over. Good night.
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Since you have FAILED to dispute one claim of fact I made in post 28, I cannot lose because you failed to even engage in actual debate on what I stated were facts.

Do you mean that it is a good night?

Or do you mean that it is a night to be good during it?

Or do you mean that you surrender? That must be it.

Too bad since I had the information right at my fingertips ready to post and all you ever had to do was claim I was wrong about any claim of fact I made.

But you never did that.

I guess that makes it a very GOOD NIGHT - for me. ;):):2wave::peace
 
haymarket said:
Since you have FAILED to dispute one claim of fact I made in post 28, I cannot lose because you failed to even engage in actual debate on what I stated were facts.

Do you mean that it is a good night?

Or do you mean that it is a night to be good during it?

Or do you mean that you surrender? That must be it.

Too bad since I had the information right at my fingertips ready to post and all you ever had to do was claim I was wrong about any claim of fact I made.

But you never did that.

I guess that makes it a very GOOD NIGHT - for me. ;):):2wave::peace
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I only respond to substantiated claims. You lost. Good night.
 
Threegoofs said:
You forgot to note that the Illinois Governor is a Republican. And so were three of the last five Governors.
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I don't believe my comment mentioned a party when talking about the state budget
 
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