Cheney to Romney: "Choosing Palin was a mistake, don't repeat it" (1 Viewer)

[AdamT]

You're lying about why she resigned, tell the ****ing truth. Tell everyone how it was the onslaught of leftwingers trying to bring up false allegation against her in Alaska and the cost of responding to that; that is why she resigned. It had zero to do with celebrity, and I challenge you find a CREDIBLE piece that can prove otherwise. No Media Matters or any of those other rags. Show the proof.

FactCheck.org : Sliming Palin

I want a personal apology from YOU to Sarah Palin.

Unless you can cite a mind reader (I can't) you won't be able to *prove* why she resigned. My opinion is that she decided that Alaska was too small a stage and she wanted to cash in on her new-found celebrity. What's the old saying? You can't go home again.

 

[American]

Unless you can cite a mind reader (I can't) you won't be able to *prove* why she resigned. My opinion is that she decided that Alaska was too small a stage and she wanted to cash in on her new-found celebrity. What's the old saying? You can't go home again.

You didn't listen you her speech. Nevertheless you certainly have not proof, and are promoting lies. Pathetic. She didn't have to give up the governorship to make money.

 

[Tigger]

wow, Cheney finally said something really intelligent.

yes, choosing Sarah Palin for VP was a horrible mistake that cost McCain the election.

if Romney also picks an ignorant, foolish right-winger...he will suffer the same fate

Romney is going to lose anyway. If he doesn't choose an "ignorant, foolish, Right-Winger" he's just going to lose by even more than he will if he does choose a CONSERVATIVE as his running mate.

 

[Bobcat]

Romney is going to lose anyway. If he doesn't choose an "ignorant, foolish, Right-Winger" he's just going to lose by even more than he will if he does choose a CONSERVATIVE as his running mate.

you claim to be a conservative and you post something that will help reelect obama????????? Who are you really? I question those of you who claim to be true conservatives and yet everything you say is pro-obama. Its not even subtle. Why not tell the truth? you want more obama socialism, why not just come out and say it?

 

[Tigger]

you claim to be a conservative and you post something that will help reelect obama????????? Who are you really? I question those of you who claim to be true conservatives and yet everything you say is pro-obama. Its not even subtle. Why not tell the truth? you want more obama socialism, why not just come out and say it?

Bobcat, I don't think we've had the opportunity to converse as of yet. Welcome to DP. Hang around a little while and you'll realize that I'm an Ultra-Conservative and an Authoritarian. That is ther Truest form of Conservatism in my mind. A True Conservative is both Fiscally and Socially Conservative. They are also willing to Walk the Talk rather than being unwilling to do both (or either in Romney's case).

I live in Massachusetts. I've seen Willard "Mitt" Romney's version of "Conservatism" and it has absolutely nothing in common with True Conservatism. I would rather have an enemy who is willing to stand in front of me, spit in my face and call himself my enemy in charge than a man whose loyalties and willingness to fight for what's Right are immensely suspect.

This November I will once again choose not to vote for a Republican OR a Democrat because neither of them are worthy of my vote.

 

[Bobcat]

Bobcat, I don't think we've had the opportunity to converse as of yet. Welcome to DP. Hang around a little while and you'll realize that I'm an Ultra-Conservative and an Authoritarian. That is ther Truest form of Conservatism in my mind. A True Conservative is both Fiscally and Socially Conservative. They are also willing to Walk the Talk rather than being unwilling to do both (or either in Romney's case).

I live in Massachusetts. I've seen Willard "Mitt" Romney's version of "Conservatism" and it has absolutely nothing in common with True Conservatism. I would rather have an enemy who is willing to stand in front of me, spit in my face and call himself my enemy in charge than a man whose loyalties and willingness to fight for what's Right are immensely suspect.

This November I will once again choose not to vote for a Republican OR a Democrat because neither of them are worthy of my vote.

Well thats your choice and in Mass your vote would not matter anyway, obozo will win your state.

I to am a strict conservative, but I am also a realist. Romney is not my first choice by any means. But he is a much better choice than 4 more years of obama socialism. Think what 4 more years of obama will bring us: full blown obamacare, 2 or 3 more far left liberals on SCOTUS, massive unemployment, sky high energy prices, a weakened military, illegals made legal, gun control, higher taxes on everyone, mass exodus of wealthy people to capital friendly countries.

If obama gets another term, we will not recognize our country in 2016. At least with Romney there is a chance that things might be turned around. To me, thats the reality of 2012.

My state will be red with our without my vote, but I will vote for Romney and I hope that everyone in the swing states will see the reality and do the same.

 

[Tigger]

I to am a strict conservative, but I am also a realist. Romney is not my first choice by any means. But he is a much better choice than 4 more years of obama socialism. Think what 4 more years of obama will bring us: full blown obamacare, 2 or 3 more far left liberals on SCOTUS, massive unemployment, sky high energy prices, a weakened military, illegals made legal, gun control, higher taxes on everyone, mass exodus of wealthy people to capital friendly countries.

My hope for a second Obama term..... That we see another April 19, 1775 or April 12, 1861 moment. Without that, this country is not going to be turned around, regardless of who is or isn't in the White House.

If obama gets another term, we will not recognize our country in 2016. At least with Romney there is a chance that things might be turned around. To me, thats the reality of 2012.

I don't recognize this country now. Nor did I at the end of the last Republican President's 8 year term. Rmney will not turn anything around. He'll just take a slightly less dramatic turn to the Left. That's all.

 

[Bobcat]

My hope for a second Obama term..... That we see another April 19, 1775 or April 12, 1861 moment. Without that, this country is not going to be turned around, regardless of who is or isn't in the White House.



I don't recognize this country now. Nor did I at the end of the last Republican President's 8 year term. Rmney will not turn anything around. He'll just take a slightly less dramatic turn to the Left. That's all.

I guess we will just have to disagree. I truly believe that another obama term will be the end of our constitutional republic.

What really bothers me is that conservatives like you are helping reelect obama. I think its called ****ting in your hat.

 

[TheNextEra]

I truly believe that another obama term will be the end of our constitutional republic.

I love screwball and paranoid comments like this from conservatives. It shows just how out of touch from reality some conservatives really are.

Doom and gloom if Obama is re-elected, doom and gloom. LOL

I can't blame you conservatives really, you have such a turd candidate the only real tactic you can use is FEAR.

And no, I'm not an Obama supporter. However, I am smart enough to realize ONE MAN does not have control over the economy, unemployment, and whatever you think Obama will do to "end the constitutional republic". LOL

Please for the love of whatever is sane stop posting nonsense like you have. I'm sure other conservatives are worried your giving conservatism a bad name.

 

[Tigger]

I guess we will just have to disagree. I truly believe that another obama term will be the end of our constitutional republic.

I truly hope so. Then maybe we can rebuild what this nation should have been, had not one of your apparently beloved Republicans (a Mr. Lincoln of Illinois) started it down the road to ruin some 150 years or so ago.

What really bothers me is that conservatives like you are helping reelect obama. I think its called ****ting in your hat.

What tends to bother me is that "conservatives" like you will accept and celebrate trading a large lump of manure for a slightly smaller lump of manure that has a pretty bow tied to it. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I'm a CONSERVATIVE. Since neither party chooses to embrace my philosophy, I will not support either party. It's that simple.

 

[Furiounova]

If anyone knows about picking a bad VP, it would be Dick.... after all, he picked himself for that position.

It was smart of him because he was the president for 8 years while bush had to hit the microphone the most often.

 

[Bobcat]

I love screwball and paranoid comments like this from conservatives. It shows just how out of touch from reality some conservatives really are.

Doom and gloom if Obama is re-elected, doom and gloom. LOL

I can't blame you conservatives really, you have such a turd candidate the only real tactic you can use is FEAR.

You watch, my friend. If obama is given another term there will be a move to remove the presidential term limits so he can run as long as he lives.

The guy is a real and present danger to the survival of the USA as a free democratic republic. Look at history, Hitler, Castro, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Chavez, all great charasmatic speakers, all with a mantra for the common man and against the rich, all preaching equality and "fairness". and look at what they did in those countries.

If you cannot realize the danger, then you have not studied history.

 

[Bobcat]

I truly hope so. Then maybe we can rebuild what this nation should have been, had not one of your apparently beloved Republicans (a Mr. Lincoln of Illinois) started it down the road to ruin some 150 years or so ago.



What tends to bother me is that "conservatives" like you will accept and celebrate trading a large lump of manure for a slightly smaller lump of manure that has a pretty bow tied to it. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. I'm a CONSERVATIVE. Since neither party chooses to embrace my philosophy, I will not support either party. It's that simple.

OK, I get it. But have you thought about the results of the destruction and rebuilding of the country? how long would it take? how many would die? would some states secede? civil war? collapse of the monetary system? martial law? libya? egypt? syria? I really don't think you have thought this through.

 

[Tigger]

OK, I get it. But have you thought about the results of the destruction and rebuilding of the country? how long would it take? how many would die? would some states secede? civil war? collapse of the monetary system? martial law? libya? egypt? syria? I really don't think you have thought this through.

Actually my hope would be that two separate countries would emerge from it. I think there could be a reasonable means to split the nation, but it's not politically feasable. Therefore it's going to have to come via secession or revolution. It would not be fun, but then again fun isn't what I believe life is about.

 

[Bobcat]

Actually my hope would be that two separate countries would emerge from it. I think there could be a reasonable means to split the nation, but it's not politically feasable. Therefore it's going to have to come via secession or revolution. It would not be fun, but then again fun isn't what I believe life is about.

you are asking for 20-30 years of anarchy, lots of dead americans, and a complete destruction of our financial systems. And there is no guarantee that the new countries would be any better. If history is a guide, dictators usually come to power when these things happen.


How old are you?

 

[TheNextEra]

You watch, my friend. If obama is given another term there will be a move to remove the presidential term limits so he can run as long as he lives.

Ok before something like that could happen, you would have to have support of the military. Are you honestly saying that the military and congress is ready to give UNCONDITIONAL support to Obama to take over this country militarily? I don't think so.

The guy is a real and present danger to the survival of the USA as a free democratic republic. Look at history, Hitler, Castro, Mao, Lenin, Stalin, Chavez, all great charasmatic speakers, all with a mantra for the common man and against the rich, all preaching equality and "fairness". and look at what they did in those countries.

If you cannot realize the danger, then you have not studied history.

Um, I have studied history and to do even REMOTELY what you claim Obama is going to do he would have to have the full support of congress and the military. Does he? No. Even with a DEMOCRATICALY CONTROLLED congress they couldn't even back him on health care 100%.

This is why I call your comments paranoid and without any logic whatseover. You don't even realize the basics of this.

 

[Bobcat]

Ok before something like that could happen, you would have to have support of the military. Are you honestly saying that the military and congress is ready to give UNCONDITIONAL support to Obama to take over this country militarily? I don't think so.



Um, I have studied history and to do even REMOTELY what you claim Obama is going to do he would have to have the full support of congress and the military. Does he? No. Even with a DEMOCRATICALY CONTROLLED congress they couldn't even back him on health care 100%.

This is why I call your comments paranoid and without any logic whatseover. You don't even realize the basics of this.

I hope you are right, but the same things were said about Hitler, Mao, Castro, and Chavez. Right now, I think the military would oppose such a takeover, but in 4 more years, who knows?

 

[TheNextEra]

I hope you are right, but the same things were said about Hitler, Mao, Castro, and Chavez. Right now, I think the military would oppose such a takeover, but in 4 more years, who knows?

So in 4 years you think that the military that has been predominantly conservative (or at least right leaning) for the past couple hundred of years at least, would somehow change their stance and agree with Obama and help him take over the country as well as congress?

This is why I think your ideas are paranoid because you don't see the obvious. Hitler, Mao, Castro, and Chavez are COMPLETELY different situations and their rise to power was compeltely different.

I could see that maybe happening with a right leaning president (only because of the military possibly supporting it because they would be right leaning), but not with Obama.

 

[AdamT]

Hitler, Mao, Castro, Chavez ... [Obama]

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Did you guess which thing was not like the others?
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
If you guessed Obama is not like the others,
You are absolutely ... right!

 

[Tigger]

you are asking for 20-30 years of anarchy, lots of dead americans, and a complete destruction of our financial systems. And there is no guarantee that the new countries would be any better. If history is a guide, dictators usually come to power when these things happen.


How old are you?

I turned 38 two weeks ago today.

There may be no guarantee that the countries would be better. In fact, I think one of them would be far WORSE. Of course which one depends on your political philosophy. I am for splitting this nation along not geographical lines, but philosophical ones. Starting with the borders of the USA and CSA on April 20, 1861 and then utilizing a formula to determine acreage for each nation based on the voting history of the counties in this country. Using that information to draw a new national border and then giving people 12 months to decide which side of the border they want to live on.

 

[Zyphlin]

OK, I get it. But have you thought about the results of the destruction and rebuilding of the country? how long would it take? how many would die? would some states secede? civil war? collapse of the monetary system? martial law? libya? egypt? syria? I really don't think you have thought this through.

Trust me, he has. With tigger it's best to remove any preconcieved notions of "Right/left", "republican/democrat", "Conservative/liberal". We had an old poster I used to say wasn't liberal or conservative, he was simply Vader. Tigger's the same way. Tigger isn't Republican, he isn't Democrat, he is simply Tigger. He's rooted in a very specific thought process that doesn't jive with any relevant large modern movements or parties, and has no issue taking a very long term view in terms of his ideas in part because he likely realizes the chances of them happening are slim to none due to how out of line with the mainstream of either major party at this point.

 

[Bobcat]

I turned 38 two weeks ago today.

There may be no guarantee that the countries would be better. In fact, I think one of them would be far WORSE. Of course which one depends on your political philosophy. I am for splitting this nation along not geographical lines, but philosophical ones. Starting with the borders of the USA and CSA on April 20, 1861 and then utilizing a formula to determine acreage for each nation based on the voting history of the counties in this country. Using that information to draw a new national border and then giving people 12 months to decide which side of the border they want to live on.

That would make a very good novel. Why don't you write a book? Orwell and Rand wrote about their ideas of the future. turns out that they both were right in some respects.

Splitting the country on political grounds might work, but the liberal states of america would fail very quickly and ask to be bailed out by the conservative states of america.

 

[Tigger]

That would make a very good novel. Why don't you write a book? Orwell and Rand wrote about their ideas of the future. turns out that they both were right in some respects.

Unfortunately some of us have to work for a living, which doesn't leave us much time to work on the Great American Novel. Besides, I'm not sure it would sell very well in this society.

Splitting the country on political grounds might work, but the liberal states of america would fail very quickly and ask to be bailed out by the conservative states of america.

Not if, as I propose, the Conservative States of America is a totally Isolationist society. That period of time before it all happens is for two purposes.... To allow people to relocate and to allow the CSA to erect the walls on their northern (LSA) and southern (Mexico) borders.

 

[Bobcat]

Unfortunately some of us have to work for a living, which doesn't leave us much time to work on the Great American Novel. Besides, I'm not sure it would sell very well in this society.



Not if, as I propose, the Conservative States of America is a totally Isolationist society. That period of time before it all happens is for two purposes.... To allow people to relocate and to allow the CSA to erect the walls on their northern (LSA) and southern (Mexico) borders.

When you get a little older and have more experience in the real world, you will realize the folly of what you are proposing. The solution is not disolving the country, the solution is returning it to the constitution. We can only do that a step at a time and removing obama is step one.

 

[Tigger]

When you get a little older and have more experience in the real world, you will realize the folly of what you are proposing. The solution is not disolving the country, the solution is returning it to the constitution. We can only do that a step at a time and removing obama is step one.

Sorry, but the road BACK is blocked. It's been blocked for about 147 years. The house cannot be rebuilt. The foundation has been undermined. We need to tear it down and start from scratch again.