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Cheney- Setting The Stage For A Presidential Run in 2012?

If we suffer a couple of domestic terrorist attacks in the next couple of years and inflation collides with the lingering results of recession...then the 'Bush years' might suddenly look pretty attractive.
 
Dayton3 said:
If we suffer a couple of domestic terrorist attacks in the next couple of years and inflation collides with the lingering results of recession...then the 'Bush years' might suddenly look pretty attractive.
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Yeah...because the first attack on Bush's watch certainly made his administration look attractive :roll:
 
disneydude said:
Yeah...because the first attack on Bush's watch certainly made his administration look attractive :roll:
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9-11 was a surprise to all. All we had to go on was the WTC truck bombing 8 years earlier and the vague warnings left by the Clinton Admin. on the way out the door.

Now, Barack Obama has plenty of reasons to be on guard for domestic terrorist attacks.

If one happens on his watch, he is toast.
 
disneydude said:
Yeah...because the first attack on Bush's watch certainly made his administration look attractive :roll:
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It did. Have you forgotten the opinion polls after 9/11 through 2003?
 
Dayton3 said:
If we suffer a couple of domestic terrorist attacks in the next couple of years and inflation collides with the lingering results of recession...then the 'Bush years' might suddenly look pretty attractive.
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Bush is as much to blame for inflation as anybody.

I'm utterly amazed by the short term memory of some of you. Bush spent a ton of money and supported bailing out the financial sector.

That anybody thinks propping Cheney up as the face of a dying party is a wise strategy is equally amazing.
 
Dayton3 said:
People are letting President Obama's current popularity (built in no small part on the 'historic' nature of his election) obscure the fact that his victory in 2008 was actually a near run thing.

Had not the stock market dropped 700 plus points in one day thus beginning starting a political and economic panic, in all likelihood, McCain would be president today.

Remember, at that point McCain was ahead.
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Hardly certain, if not unlikely. The Democrats ran a tight race, but the edge was likely in the hands of a Democrat due to the nature of the previous administration being Republican with a GOP candidate who had to somehow convince all necessary parties in the election that he was on their side. The traditional republicans didn't buy into it, and McCain's attempt to sway them turned off segments of moderate liberals, and attempts to sway the moderate liberals would in turn turn off the traditional republicans, and so on down the line. The man had a difficult campaign to run thanks to the division in the GOP and their complete disregard for the demographic pull of that particular election year.
 
ARealConservative said:
Bush is as much to blame for inflation as anybody.

I'm utterly amazed by the short term memory of some of you. Bush spent a ton of money and supported bailing out the financial sector.

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The amount Barack Obama is pumping into the economy dwarfs what President Bush did.

And no matter what, in 2012, the economy belongs to President Barack Obama.
 
Dayton3 said:
The amount Barack Obama is pumping into the economy dwarfs what President Bush did.

And no matter what, in 2012, the economy belongs to President Barack Obama.
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I take a more logical view of the separation of powers. It is not possible for the executive branch to "own the economy", no matter how hard they try.
 
Fiddytree said:
It did. Have you forgotten the opinion polls after 9/11 through 2003?
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You are right....I guess that's why so many of the Bush apologists were fantasizing during the last election about what effect another attack might have on McCain's chances of winning the election.
 
Dayton3 said:
The amount Barack Obama is pumping into the economy dwarfs what President Bush did.

And no matter what, in 2012, the economy belongs to President Barack Obama.
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Absolutely. If the economy improves by 2012 Obama deserves the credit.
If the economy remains stagnant or worsens Obama should take the blame.
 
disneydude said:
You are right....I guess that's why so many of the Bush apologists were fantasizing during the last election about what effect another attack might have on McCain's chances of winning the election.
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Well, for some reason, liberals had this strange attachment to the idea that conservatives wanted an attack, rather than it being a rhetorical attempt to get people to snap back into what they think is a correct policy of preventing another attack.
 
disneydude said:
Absolutely. If the economy improves by 2012 Obama deserves the credit.
If the economy remains stagnant or worsens Obama should take the blame.
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The economy will improve as soon as Obama stops meddling with it, so if it improves, it will be due to Obama backing the **** off. But the issue will not be the economy at all, it will be taxes. Taxes are going to have to forgo a significant increase across the board in order to pay for all this spending. Obama himself has now realized what so many of us already knew, that this is unsustainable. This cannot go on, it has to stop and very, very soon. If Obama doesn't change course soon, we may not ever be able to recover and there's nothing anyone from either side of the aisle will be able to do about it.

I heard all this complaining from the left about Bush and the deficit, why are these same people silent now that Obama is raising the deficit at a record pace? He's well on his way to passing Bush's ****ting on the deficit before he even gets halfway through his one and only term. We are nearing the point where even God won't be able to help us. If you haven't realized that yet, then you haven't been paying a lick of attention.
 
Tashah said:
I don't think any major player from the Bush administrations is GOP viable in 2012 and hopefully... ever. The only exception here would perhaps be Colin Powell.
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Are you people still trying to polish that turd?
 
P/N said:
The economy will improve as soon as Obama stops meddling with it, so if it improves, it will be due to Obama backing the **** off. But the issue will not be the economy at all, it will be taxes. Taxes are going to have to forgo a significant increase across the board in order to pay for all this spending. Obama himself has now realized what so many of us already knew, that this is unsustainable. This cannot go on, it has to stop and very, very soon. If Obama doesn't change course soon, we may not ever be able to recover and there's nothing anyone from either side of the aisle will be able to do about it.

I heard all this complaining from the left about Bush and the deficit, why are these same people silent now that Obama is raising the deficit at a record pace? He's well on his way to passing Bush's ****ting on the deficit before he even gets halfway through his one and only term. We are nearing the point where even God won't be able to help us. If you haven't realized that yet, then you haven't been paying a lick of attention.
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Oh please....you sound like every right-wing radio pundit out there...you try to set it up so that if the economy goes bad...Obama's to blame....if the economy improves.....its not because Obama's policies....
You guys are so transparent.

Bush was to blame for his poor policies that got us into the mess that he did.
Obama's policies are either going to get us out of it...or they won't. If the economy improves Obama deserves the credit, whether you guys want to give it to him or not. If he fails, I will be among those voicing my disapproval.
But I won't try to play both sides of the fence like you guys.
 
All this talk of Sarah Palin. Why do Republicans insist on nominating people who barely got through university to the highest office in power. It's almost like they enjoy nominating people who never left the U.S. before becoming politicians. Like. What is it about hillbillies like Sarah Palin and GWB that is so romantic to Republicans? Does the fact that she can do that disgusting **** they do to Moose mean she's good to run the country? Is it the jeans? Is it the cowboy outfits? It's almost like Republicans WANT to promote the very people who's values along with those of radical liberalism are dragging down our society.
 
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Hatuey said:
All this talk of Sarah Palin. Why do Republicans insist on nominating people who barely got through university to the highest office in power. It's almost like they enjoy nominating people who never left the U.S. before becoming politicians.
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shhh...Hatuey...we want them to nominate someone like Palin, Hickabee, Jindal or Cheney. I'm not sure they have anyone better out there.
 
Cheney would bring down the R party in an election. he would have no chance. He would be a worse candidate than McCain was. He wouldn' t have a chnace. How can anyone from the Bush administration even think they would have a chance at the WH?
 
Inferno said:
Cheney would bring down the R party in an election. he would have no chance. He would be a worse candidate than McCain was. He wouldn' t have a chnace. How can anyone from the Bush administration even think they would have a chance at the WH?
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Cheney would be a great choice. Cheney/Palin 2012!!!!
 
disneydude said:
Oh please....you sound like every right-wing radio pundit out there...you try to set it up so that if the economy goes bad...Obama's to blame....if the economy improves.....its not because Obama's policies....
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When did you start listening to "right wing radio pundits" and what makes you think I do? Obama owns this economy, good or bad. With the spendulus bill and his outrageous budget, he's owns it and he knows it. The problem is that his spending is going to kill the economy in the long term and the short term. I guess you'll just have to be shocked when things are worse than expected in 3 years.

disneydude said:
You guys are so transparent.
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Who is "you guys"? You've already made one incorrect assumption in this post I have quoted, so please fill me in on who "you guys" are.

disneydude said:
Bush was to blame for his poor policies that got us into the mess that he did.
Obama's policies are either going to get us out of it...or they won't. If the economy improves Obama deserves the credit, whether you guys want to give it to him or not. If he fails, I will be among those voicing my disapproval.
But I won't try to play both sides of the fence like you guys.
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Did I say that Bush didn't screw just about everything up he could in his 2nd term? Nope, I said he did, but nice try (not really, I just didn't want to hurt your little feelings). I'm not trying to play both sides of the fence. Obama's policies will not work, period - they are going to hurt it - BIG TIME. The only way it can improve is if he leaves it the **** alone.
 
disneydude said:
shhh...Hatuey...we want them to nominate someone like Palin, Hickabee, Jindal or Cheney. I'm not sure they have anyone better out there.
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...I actually WANT them to run somebody good and win even if it means that Obama would lose. I don't want the Democrats/Liberals controlling the Congress, SCOTUS AND the White House. It's a bad idea and some balance must be restored.
 
P/N said:
Obama owns this economy, good or bad.
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The one intelligent thing from your post. Yet....in your previous post you were talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Obama owns the economy for the next year. If it improves, he deserves the credit. If he fails, he deserves the criticism...its as simple as that.
 
Hatuey said:
...I actually WANT them to run somebody good and win even if it means that Obama would lose. I don't want the Democrats/Liberals controlling the Congress, SCOTUS AND the White House. It's a bad idea and some balance must be restored.
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Balance is being restored. The left will not control the SCOTUS...the only thing they can do is try to restore some balance to it after the right-wing slant that Bush put to it. Even with 2 appointments, Obama will at best balance it out.

As for running someone good. There isn't much out there in the GOP these days.
 
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