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Charter School Experiment a Success

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By USA Today, USA Today - April 2, 2013

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And USA Today can't exactly be pushed aside as being NEO.
 
By USA Today, USA Today - April 2, 2013

Read more @ Charter School Experiment a Succes

And USA Today can't exactly be pushed aside as being NEO.

I think everyone except public school teachers and teachers' unions has known this for a long time. The first thing opponents will say of the results is: "They cherry pick." Maybe they do. AND DAMNED LUCKY FOR THOSE CHERRIES!!! We have been failing generations of kids forever.

I'm delighted to see this mainstream acceptance. KIPP's my hero!!
 
So what?

You can slap a charter-school-hating liberal upside the head with every fricken fact available and they will still try to find a way to justify their viewpoint and, as long as the teachers and administrators are part of the teacher's union they will always be opposed to charter schools. We need to get the liberals out of our school systems.
 
The article is clearly NOT a review of charter schools. It says right up front it is only looking at the TOP performing charter schools. As such, it should only be taken for what it is and in no way shape or from is it any sort of representation regarding the entire charter school movement or experiment.

That doesn't mean all charters are automatically good. They're not. But it's indisputable that the good ones — most prominently, KIPP — are onto something.

This would be no different than writing an article about top performing public schools.
 
Ironically there were no fights really in my town over charter schools and the students seem to be doing a little better than at traditional schools with one exception-that school which is focused around a STEM curriculum is blowing everybody out of the water. A lot of people refer to it as the Geek School but they are putting up some great numbers across the board.
 

Actually, the teachers unions run several charter schools.
 

I'm a liberal, don't need to be slapped upside the head to see the result of this study are obviously beneficial to the education system as a whole. Oddly enough though, the key was not charter schools vs public schools, the key was the collaboration of the two. We need to take partisanism out of schools and stop blaming people to get your point across. If the charter school model was perfect, there would be no public school. The fact is, our country can't afford to make every school a charter school, yet by collaborating, you see extended sucesses in both. Seems like that was a part of the article you missed.
 
Actually, the teachers unions run several charter schools.

Apparently they didn't yet have the knack:


UFT-run charter school near the bottom in student performance - NYPOST.com
 

I'm glad you think that way. You, indeed, don't need to be uselessly slapped upside the head...unlike the rest of your ilk. Unfortunately, there are more liberals who feel threatened by charter schools than there are liberals, like you, who want to work with charter schools.
 

Let those fangs out haymarket. But we want the CHOICE that charters offer. The choice to drive our education dollars not into your overpaid pensions, but into you know...educating our children in the modern era.

And the flexibility the charter school model offers (really just another form of choice).

Charters more closely resemble private enterprise. Rather than a single government behemoth that simply cannot be managed and has too much politics and money and unions to do anything even closely resembling its mission, charters get to function outside of some of that (not enough!). A review of charters is entirely irrelevant to both of these things haymarket (choice and flexibility). This does not ensure better grades at first, on average. What it does ensure is that the system both discover more rapidly what works for a particulary local population, and what doesn't, and over time, new charters can cherry pick the best programs and models, and build not from ground zero, but rapidly on the success of the best. So a review of the average would entirely miss this critical aspects of how nearly every other industry in the world thrives and grows. It takes a critical mass though, and hopefully we get there one. The trend certainly seems to be in the favor of choice and "free market".
 
By USA Today, USA Today - April 2, 2013


Read more @ Charter School Experiment a Succes

And USA Today can't exactly be pushed aside as being NEO.

From your article:

That doesn't mean all charters are automatically good. They're not.

Yes some are good. There are also good public schools. The test whether either s on the whole better. The results say no. And that is with Charter Schools ring selective, meaning they should be hands down better.
 
Let those fangs out haymarket. But we want the CHOICE that charters offer.

Yeah - I get it. And have for quite a while now. The charter school industry has changed their tune when they could back up their earlier hype.

Years ago, a decade or more - when the charter school movement got off the ground - they had one overriding message - WE WILL DO IT BETTER. That was their hope and that was their promise. I went to many conferences and saw many video presentations where we were told
1- publics schools are failure and doing a crappy job at educating kids
2- charter schools can and will do it better.

But then we found out that they really DO NOT do it better. In fact, in Michigan, a little over half of all the charter schools in the state were in the bottom 25% in standardized testing just five years ago. They clearly were NOT doing it better than the public schools.

So what could the haters of public education then do to keep the money rolling into the corporate and private pockets hoping to make fortunes off charter schools? Simple. Change the message. Now its no longer about doing it better. Now its simply about CHOICE.

And forget about that nonsense about doing it better.
 

The key is to give parents choice over how they spend their resources on their children's education. Parents can then decide for themselves which school best serves the needs of their children. There's no reason to put the government in charge of educating our children. Until the parent can fire his child's school and hire any number of alternatives, all of which have to compete with each other, government school will continue to be the abject failure it has proven itself to be.
 

They have choice. Same as all of us do. I've always been able spend my money on a private school education.

However, you have the government involved in charter schools. As long as tax dollars are spent on it, the government will be involved. You're just creating another level of involvement for something not really any more effective.
 

Thats exactly the same reason that I am against school vouchers, or having a totally private school system (even if paid for by the government). As soon as you get government involved in the private sector, it's no longer really the private sector.

I actually think that we have pretty much the ideal system. Everyone who is willing to go to school has the opportunity to go to school, regardless of their parents ability or willingness to pay. But for those who are willing and able to pay for a "better" school, or at least a school with students from "better" families, they have that choice also. Let's don't screw up a good thing.
 

I think that the main reason that we see this differently is because you think that education is about the parents. I think that education is about the children.
 
I think that the main reason that we see this differently is because you think that education is about the parents. I think that education is about the children.

I agree with you that it's about the children.
 

Personally, I would prefer that government not interfere with schooling at all. This is because I generally prefer to allow people to make their own choices rather than have their choices made for them by government officials.
 
Personally, I would prefer that government not interfere with schooling at all. This is because I generally prefer to allow people to make their own choices rather than have their choices made for them by government officials.

The point is, Charter schools don achieve even that.
 
I agree with you that it's about the children.

actually, in much of the charter school movement its about profit and politics. The children are just pawns in the game.
 
actually, in much of the charter school movement its about profit and politics. The children are just pawns in the game.

As in the public school system.
 
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