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Changes in the Stock Market likely to begin soon.

Your statement makes sense but you do need to keep in mind that the market is always trading 9 months into the future, meaning that a lot of what you stated is already baked into the prices.

This market is more about anticipating what is going to happen than reacting to it. Everyone can see when things happen but given that most people lose money trading, it does mean that if you wait until things happen, you are likely to be the loser as the reality is that most people lose as only a "few: people make money. That means that those than anticipate correctly the end result are the winners.

Your last paragraph about "try to sell at peak.......etc" is a perfect example of what I stated. If everyone sold at the peak (and bought at the bottom) there would be no losers and that is just contrary to what actually happens in the market.

Fair enough - you just have to be better than everybody else at judging what everybody else is going to do. That's how you find the best peaks and troughs.
 
I took a look at your article in the link and I saw absolutely nothing there that disputes what I said or that confirms what you said. Since you supplied the link and stated "I guess some people just haven’t heard these fundamental investing concepts", I dare you to show me exactly and in detail how your articles disputes what I said or confirms what you said. .
Seriously?

Here’s some quotes:

Owning the stock market over the long term is a winner's game, but attempting to beat the market is a loser's game.



Gunning for average is your best shot at beating tre average

Don’t think that you know more than the market; no one does. And don’t act on insights that you think are your own but are usually shared by millions of others.
Have you really never heard of Jack Bogle?

Good lord.
 
Seriously?

Here’s some quotes:








Have you really never heard of Jack Bogle?

Good lord.
You have got to be kidding me!

That advice is general advice for novices. It is there for someone that is investing for the "first" time.

There is absolutely nothing specific there that tells you when or what to buy, where or when to get in, or when or when to get out. There is no knowledge necessary to do that. You check through Google what stocks have a future (or open an account with a broker) and you buy what is recommended and hold on "and hope" that they know what they are doing.

You trying to teach me that?

I am talking to an amateur and I have no desire to debate the issue with you anymore. I have been trading for 47 years. I worked for 2 top firms in the industry in the 80's and you have the idiocracy to think you need to "teach" me this?

My gawd man, you are not using your head.

End of story between you and me on this topic (and likely on all topics) as it seems you have NO COMMON SENSE.

Good luck. You need it in life with this kind of thinking.

Don't bother to respond as I will NOT be responding back. Then again I have to believe that you will respond as you seem to be the kind of person that wants the last word.
 
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You have got to be kidding me!

That advice is general advice for novices. It is there for someone that is investing for the "first" time.

There is absolutely nothing specific there that tells you when or what to buy, where or when to get in, or when or when to get out. There is no knowledge necessary to do that. You check through Google what stocks have a future (or open an account with a broker) and you buy what is recommended and hold on "and hope" that they know what they are doing.

You trying to teach me that?

I am talking to an amateur and I have no desire to debate the issue with you anymore. I have been trading for 47 years. I worked for 2 top firms in the industry in the 80's and you have the idiocracy to think you need to "teach" me this?

My gawd man, you are not using your head.

End of story between you and me on this topic (and likely on all topics) as it seems you have NO COMMON SENSE.

Good luck. You need it in life with this kind of thinking.

Don't bother to respond as I will NOT be responding back. Then again I have to believe that you will respond as you seem to be the kind of person that wants the last word.
Jack Bogle, founder of Vanguard, is for ‘novices’, huh?

You literally have never heard of this? Amazing.

It’s absolutely clear that no one can ‘beat the market’ in the long term. You seem not to even understand what that means, because your measure of success seems to be ‘I made money!’ Even though the market reliably goes up 8% per year on average.

Common sense is in short supply here, but what’s worse, you seem not to even grasp my argument at all, despite it being the foundation of most financial planning as one in the last 30 years.

You’re obviously from the generation where the yachts in the harbor were the stockbrokers boats, not the investors.

I can see why you don’t want to hear anything more from me. The cognitive dissonance has gotta be a killer.
 
This OP is not really politically oriented but if what I see occurs, it will have some political implications.

As most of you know, I am a stock chart analyst and I consider myself a very good one. The action and the news this week (such as the inflation report that came in lower than expected) did solidify what the Fed is likely to start doing, which is lowering interest rates in September. This action is certainly going to have some political implications but it is not clear at all what those implications will mean. For example, lowering interest rates is going to be a positive for Biden but the fact that the reason for the lowering of interest rates is likely to be because the economy is starting to slow down will be a negative to Biden. Which of the two will the voters key on, is something that I cannot answer at this time.

Having said that, this OP is more about giving everyone that is involved in the stock market a clue as to what to expect.

The way the charts suggest is going to be seen is that the 15-year uptrend will end this year and likely to start in September, which is by seasonal nature the strongest down month of the year. I believe that a 1-3 year downtrend will start (no matter who gets chosen for president but who is chosen is likely to make it less worse or worse than).

As such, if you are a bull and holding stocks, I think you should start considering taking profits over the next 8 weeks. As it is, you probably should start considering taking profits this week or next.

Evidently I have no crystal ball, meaning that everyone should take what I say with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, there are a lot of things that are "norms" of the market that are likely to be in play and though these norms have been excelled over the past few years, it seems that now that the inflation and interest rate scenario is starting to clear up, I think the market will go back to the norm.

Let me explain 1) out of the norm is a 15-year uptrend with most corrections being minimal 2) out of the norm are PE ratios in Tech stocks that are double what the norm is 3) out of the norm are PE ratios in small cap stocks that are way below the norm 4) out of the norm are fundamentals and charts that have not been performing as the norm has been throughout history 5) out of the norm is the manipulation off of emotions (not facts) that has been seen repeatedly in the market.

All of the above seem to be ending and the norm starting once again.

Again, I could be wrong but things are getting clearer now than they have been for all year. In fact, in my 47 years of trading the market, I had never experienced what has happened this year. It has been confusing, to say the least.

As far as how this will affect the election in November, fire away with your scenarios (based on this outlook for the market heading lower, the economy heading lower, inflation coming down, and interest rates heading lower)
Interesting stuff. Thanks.
 
This OP is not really politically oriented but if what I see occurs, it will have some political implications.

As most of you know, I am a stock chart analyst and I consider myself a very good one. The action and the news this week (such as the inflation report that came in lower than expected) did solidify what the Fed is likely to start doing, which is lowering interest rates in September. This action is certainly going to have some political implications but it is not clear at all what those implications will mean. For example, lowering interest rates is going to be a positive for Biden but the fact that the reason for the lowering of interest rates is likely to be because the economy is starting to slow down will be a negative to Biden. Which of the two will the voters key on, is something that I cannot answer at this time.

Having said that, this OP is more about giving everyone that is involved in the stock market a clue as to what to expect.

The way the charts suggest is going to be seen is that the 15-year uptrend will end this year and likely to start in September, which is by seasonal nature the strongest down month of the year. I believe that a 1-3 year downtrend will start (no matter who gets chosen for president but who is chosen is likely to make it less worse or worse than).

As such, if you are a bull and holding stocks, I think you should start considering taking profits over the next 8 weeks. As it is, you probably should start considering taking profits this week or next.

Evidently I have no crystal ball, meaning that everyone should take what I say with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, there are a lot of things that are "norms" of the market that are likely to be in play and though these norms have been excelled over the past few years, it seems that now that the inflation and interest rate scenario is starting to clear up, I think the market will go back to the norm.

Let me explain 1) out of the norm is a 15-year uptrend with most corrections being minimal 2) out of the norm are PE ratios in Tech stocks that are double what the norm is 3) out of the norm are PE ratios in small cap stocks that are way below the norm 4) out of the norm are fundamentals and charts that have not been performing as the norm has been throughout history 5) out of the norm is the manipulation off of emotions (not facts) that has been seen repeatedly in the market.

All of the above seem to be ending and the norm starting once again.

Again, I could be wrong but things are getting clearer now than they have been for all year. In fact, in my 47 years of trading the market, I had never experienced what has happened this year. It has been confusing, to say the least.

As far as how this will affect the election in November, fire away with your scenarios (based on this outlook for the market heading lower, the economy heading lower, inflation coming down, and interest rates heading lower)

Wall Street is losing confidence in a potential Harris administration.
 
Wall Street is losing confidence in a potential Harris administration.
Actually, this whole downside that is being seen started when the debate between Biden and Trump started (the very next day the market fell) and increased when Trump was shot at (DOW dropped 500+ points that Monday). Now it is increasing because the traders believe Trump will become president as a Black woman is now the nominee..

This is not about Harris but about Trump!
 
Actually, this whole downside that is being seen started when the debate between Biden and Trump started (the very next day the market fell) and increased when Trump was shot at (DOW dropped 500+ points that Monday). Now it is increasing because the traders believe Trump will become president as a Black woman is now the nominee..

This is not about Harris but about Trump!
It's not about either candidate. It's about a bad economy and that bad economy affecting company profits. We are in a recession.
 
Actually, this whole downside that is being seen started when the debate between Biden and Trump started (the very next day the market fell) and increased when Trump was shot at (DOW dropped 500+ points that Monday). Now it is increasing because the traders believe Trump will become president as a Black woman is now the nominee..

This is not about Harris but about Trump!
"the traders." ok
 
It's not about either candidate. It's about a bad economy and that bad economy affecting company profits. We are in a recession.
bad economies come and go (it is the rule and not the exception). In 4 years from now, things will not be the same. Nonetheless, one thing that is guaranteed is that if Trump wins, things will not only be bad but permanent damage to our Democracy will occur and that is not something we can afford to allow to happen.
 
bad economies come and go (it is the rule and not the exception). In 4 years from now, things will not be the same. Nonetheless, one thing that is guaranteed is that if Trump wins, things will not only be bad but permanent damage to our Democracy will occur and that is not something we can afford to allow to happen.
This a thread about the stock market, not Trump. The DOW is down over 1,300 points in the past 5 days. The NASDAQ just lost 654 points today.
 
What nonsense. There was a Trump rally immediately after the shooting then stocks settled down. The recent downtick is because of tech earnings. Your posts are just dumb partisan nonsense.

Actually, this whole downside that is being seen started when the debate between Biden and Trump started (the very next day the market fell) and increased when Trump was shot at (DOW dropped 500+ points that Monday). Now it is increasing because the traders believe Trump will become president as a Black woman is now the nominee..

This is not about Harris but about Trump!
 
This a thread about the stock market, not Trump. The DOW is down over 1,300 points in the past 5 days. The NASDAQ just lost 654 points today.
Politics, especially on a presidential year, affect the market. The traders are always trading the market anticipating what will happen in 6-9 months in the future. The market immediately reacted negatively after the debate and again right after the assassination event, meaning that those were market catalysts. Given that both events made Trump a bigger favorite to win the election, it has to be said that is what affected the trading. In addition, that is something that was clearly discussed and clearly defined on Bloomberg TV, which is a stock market station and on a political station.

Last but not least, there has been no other fundamental news that would be a catalyst for this kind of a drop.
 
Politics, especially on a presidential year, affect the market. The traders are always trading the market anticipating what will happen in 6-9 months in the future. The market immediately reacted negatively after the debate and again right after the assassination event, meaning that those were market catalysts. Given that both events made Trump a bigger favorite to win the election, it has to be said that is what affected the trading. In addition, that is something that was clearly discussed and clearly defined on Bloomberg TV, which is a stock market station and on a political station.

Last but not least, there has been no other fundamental news that would be a catalyst for this kind of a drop.
Why do you think a market down turn must be the result of a news event?
 
What nonsense. There was a Trump rally immediately after the shooting then stocks settled down. The recent downtick is because of tech earnings. Your posts are just dumb partisan nonsense.
Exactly. It has been widely reported. But everything has to circle back to Trump some how.

Tomorrow the GDP numbers for Q2 are published. It is possible there is an anticipation of another quarter of anemic growth. The projections are for 1.8%
 
Why do you think a market down turn must be the result of a news event?
Look, I follow the market daily for hours and have done so for 47 years, I am 150% aware of everything that generates movement in the market. I have seen events that happen at a certain time of day and the market react to it immediately.

As far as answering your question directly
Economists Say Inflation Would Be Worse Under Trump Than Biden

In a Wall Street Journal survey, economists see Trump's plans to raise tariffs and crack down on illegal immigration as putting upward pressure on prices.

Does high inflation affect stocks? Yes. The higher the inflation, the more volatile the investing environment becomes. This means some stocks—especially growth stocks— tend to be worse off in inflationary environments
 
Look, I follow the market daily for hours and have done so for 47 years, I am 150% aware of everything that generates movement in the market. I have seen events that happen at a certain time of day and the market react to it immediately.

As far as answering your question directly


Does high inflation affect stocks? Yes. The higher the inflation, the more volatile the investing environment becomes. This means some stocks—especially growth stocks— tend to be worse off in inflationary environments
It's not about Trump. The stock market is way, way over extended and the earning numbers of companies are coming forward and they are anemic.
 
If one went short in the market, where would the best place to be to allocate those funds?
 
It's not about Trump. The stock market is way, way over extended and the earning numbers of companies are coming forward and they are anemic.

I do agree with the market being over extended but that has been the case for months (if not years) and it had not stopped it before. It did not stop until what happened recently, as far as the election. Trump has been the "catalyst" for the selling to come in.
 
I do agree with the market being over extended but that has been the case for months (if not years) and it had not stopped it before. It did not stop until what happened recently, as far as the election. Trump has been the "catalyst" for the selling to come in.
It's not about Trump. Company earnings reports are bad. This is the reason.
 
It's not about Trump. Company earnings reports are bad. This is the reason.
BS. This month the earnings on NFLX and GOOGL were better than expected and yet they went down after the reports came out.
 
If one went short in the market, where would the best place to be to allocate those funds?

Depends on your financial situation.

On the most conservative end of the spectrum:

CD's are at 5+% apr for single month terms.
 
Ah.

So company earnings are bad which means the stock market is near or at all time highs?

This is possibly the most classic @justoneman post of all time.

The expectations for earnings and growth are also at all time highs. This makes it easier to disappoint relative to current valuations.
 
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