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AlphaOmega said:
Stop trying to dodge. This isn't about me. As I have proven, god ****ed up according to your bible. In fact, it's the biggest **** up mankind has ever known according to what is written. I ask...how a perfect being could **** up that badly. The answer is, a perfect being wouldn't. I have factually and with certainty shown you your first mistake in the bible.
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Lisa said:
That is religious apologetics.

They are trying to redefine omniscience to something that can be defended, but it missed the religious belief that God knows what you do and what you think, which believers claim are sins.
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How So?
 
Elvira said:
Rewriting the Bible with the Bible's own words...lol...that's a new one...:2razz:
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The word of the day is Reinterpretation.

How many different versions of the bible, how many different sects and how many different interpretations of scripture are there?
 
TypicalRussian said:
Nope it is not pagan

Easter Is Not Pagan | Apologetics
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You found a Christian source to tell you that easter is not Pagan? Do you know what a confirmation bias is?

This is why rebirth, rabbits and eggs are the symbols of Easter.

Easter, or Eostre, actually has its roots in the pagan spring festival. Indeed, it is a far cry from the gaudily wrapped chocolate eggs of today. Johnny Scott investigates this ancient spring festival. Cocoa consumption is an essential for Easter, but make it an enticing tea time treat rather than something cloying.
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TypicalRussian said:
How So?
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If God is omniscient, as he must be for the bible to be true then he knows what you are going to do before you act. You may not know that your behavior is predetermined, but if it is predetermined then free will cannot exist. If your behavior is predetermined then sin cannot exist because you cannot possibly be punished for something that you were destined to do and had no choice in deciding.

If you want to claim that God is not omniscient then the Bible cannot be true because he cannot have a plan for your life. If you have no free will then prayer cannot be possible because you are asking an omnipotent and moral being to change his mind and his plans for you and others, which are already determined.

At this point, your brain is furiously trying to make freewill and omniscience both exist as a way to support your religious beliefs, even to the point of laughably obvious cognitive dissonance. Theistic religious belief is a logical test that the vast majority of believers fail.
 
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Lisa said:
You found a Christian source to tell you that easter is not Pagan? Do you know what a confirmation bias is?

This is why rebirth, rabbits and eggs are the symbols of Easter.
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Confirmation bias is only when it is false

Easter in the pagan times is the celebration of the Equinox and the trumpiant of the sun
 
TypicalRussian said:
Confirmation bias is only when it is false

Easter in the pagan times is the celebration of the Equinox and the triumphant of the sun
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It is a confirmation bias regardless of what you believe.

Christmas and Easter are both borrowed and rebranded pagan holidays. Jesus is just a new name for a dying and rising savoir born of a virgin birth. There are many of then that predate Jesus, who never really existed.
 
Lisa said:
The word of the day is Reinterpretation.

How many different versions of the bible, how many different sects and how many different interpretations of scripture are there?
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If I've said it one time, I've said it 100 times...the key to getting to the truth of the Bible is comparing ALL scriptures on any given subject...otherwise, you end up with contradictions and misinterpretations...
 
Lisa said:
The word of the day is

How many different versions of the bible, how many different sects and how many different interpretations of scripture are there?
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All the ones I've seen have Jesus resurrected from the dead. Don't miss the central truth looking for conflicts.
 
Logicman said:
All the ones I've seen have Jesus resurrected from the dead. Don't miss the central truth looking for conflicts.
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That is a religious belief with no facts to support it. There are no first-hand accounts of Jesus' resurrection.
 
Elvira said:
If I've said it one time, I've said it 100 times...the key to getting to the truth of the Bible is comparing ALL scriptures on any given subject...otherwise, you end up with contradictions and misinterpretations...
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You believe what supports your predetermined conclusions. That is how thesitic religion works.
 
Lisa said:
That is a religious belief with no facts to support it. There are no first-hand accounts of Jesus' resurrection.
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There are no first-hand accounts of anything to do with Jesus, nobody took down his alleged utterances in shorthand.
 
zyzygy said:
There are no first-hand accounts of anything to do with Jesus, nobody took down his alleged utterances in shorthand.
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The Gospels were written 2-3+ generations after he was claimed to have existed, and their authors are unknown. Easter wasn't celebrated until 300+ years after his claimed death. The people of that era who claimed to be followers still celebrated Passover.
 
Elvira said:
Put it to the test for yourself or SH...
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We had this discussion before and it didn't end well for you then either. I am an atheist because there are no empirical facts to support any god existing.
 
Lisa said:
We had this discussion before and it didn't end well for you then either. I am an atheist because there are no empirical facts to support any god existing.
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No, we did not...
 
Lisa said:
If God is omniscient, as he must be for the bible to be true then he knows what you are going to do before you act. You may not know that your behavior is predetermined, but if it is predetermined then free will cannot exist. If your behavior is predetermined then sin cannot exist because you cannot possibly be punished for something that you were destined to do and had no choice in deciding.

If you want to claim that God is not omniscient then the Bible cannot be true because he cannot have a plan for your life. If you have no free will then prayer cannot be possible because you are asking an omnipotent and moral being to change his mind and his plans for you and others, which are already determined.

At this point, your brain is furiously trying to make freewill and omniscience both exist as a way to support your religious beliefs, even to the point of laughably obvious cognitive dissonance. Theistic religious belief is a logical test that the vast majority of believers fail.
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This is BS, you are free to make your own choices up to the moment you actually act on them. This is not difficult.
 
it's just me said:
This is BS, you are free to make your own choices up to the moment you actually act on them. This is not difficult.
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And your making your own choices does not negate God having a plan for your life.
 
Lisa said:
It is a confirmation bias regardless of what you believe.

Christmas and Easter are both borrowed and rebranded pagan holidays. Jesus is just a new name for a dying and rising savoir born of a virgin birth. There are many of then that predate Jesus, who never really existed.
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Wrong
 
nota bene said:
And your making your own choices does not negate God having a plan for your life.
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And if God's plan coincidentally happens to match up perfectly to everything that actually happens in your life your decisions don't change a thing.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Yet you can't explain why. That argument is over. I have moved on to my second example and will continue to dismantle the bible one example after another.
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I have explained why
 
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