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Challenge to Atheists

zyzygy said:
Why would anyone need to believe in the existence of a god? Primitive man, ok, they needed volcano, thunder and earthquake gods but in modern times?
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I get it somewhat. Loved one dies, people need something to help them get over it. What's better than than the false hope of seeing them again in "heaven"?

But....yeah. It is time to put on the big boy/girl pants and face the music. You are never seeing them again. They dead. You alive. Some day you too be dead. It is what it is.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, Be goneSatan for it is written. "You SHALL worship the lord your god and him only shall you SERVE"

Again, according to the Bible...god factually requires worship and for us to "Serve". Ill ask again why would a perfect being require worship and servitude

Hebrews 1:6
Let all Gods angels worship him.

How many factual examples would you like?
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Um, you made your choice, didn't you?:roll:
 
Elvira said:
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...when you are God, you can do things perfectly...
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God didn't do things perfectly. That is the entire point. If killing off mankind in a flood is prefection I'd hate to see him on his off day.
 
AlphaOmega said:
God didn't do things perfectly. That is the entire point. If killing off mankind in a flood is prefection I'd hate to see him on his off day.
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I like the big boat. It makes perfect sense: lions, tigers, deer and antelope all on one big ship. Only question I have is why the **** did he save the mosquitoes?
 
Elvira said:
Really? What are we talking about here?
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Im talking about my second item. The first debate I have already won. A perfect being (GOD) would not have created something he would then need to destroy. Thats not debateable. Either god isnt perfect or the Bible is wrong. Use your free will to decide which is correct. I however am onto my second item.
 
calamity said:
I like the big boat. It makes perfect sense: lions, tigers, deer and antelope all on one big ship. Only question I have is why the **** did he save the mosquitoes?
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and ticks? Talk about two major ****ups
 
calamity said:
I like the big boat. It makes perfect sense: lions, tigers, deer and antelope all on one big ship. Only question I have is why the **** did he save the mosquitoes?
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and the wooden boat....the same guy that made wood also made frign termites? Is he just ****ing with us?
 
zyzygy said:
Why would anyone need to believe in the existence of a god? Primitive man, ok, they needed volcano, thunder and earthquake gods but in modern times?
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This is basic misunderstanding of primitive gods, who represented fertility, and the everyday spirits which humans accepted as explanations for everything from soup to nuts. One prayed to the gods of the forest, the fields, the ancestor gods and the animal gods for the fulfillment of earthly desires, a sense of order in the chaos of life. And that last explains so many continue to believe, other worldly sources of order in this chaotic life, as a source of solace, and raison d'être. Why am I? Who am I? Why do I still live, when others die? Whether you recognize them as such, you have your gods, call it science or something else, but you have spiritual desires and they must be fulfilled, one way or another, part of the human condition. That's why I read the bible, every damned day. How else to learn how not to behave than by the examples set forth in the bible? We all need the hope our lives are not lived in vain, not mere accidents among the sands of time, the one true enemy of all that lives, time.

Said the ancient wise man at the top of the mountain to the supplicant who had sacrificed all his worldly goods, familial ties, to travel with great effort, starved and thirsty, finally climbing the mountain to learn from the old wise man, the knowledge of life, "I've been waiting up here alone all these years, suffering in silence and hunger, for you to bring me the answers to those same questions."
 
AlphaOmega said:
Im talking about my second item. The first debate I have already won. A perfect being (GOD) would not have created something he would then need to destroy. Thats not debateable. Either god isnt perfect or the Bible is wrong. Use your free will to decide which is correct. I however am onto my second item.
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lol...I see, my mistake for quoting you to begin with...you are a score keeper, nothing more...I don't talk with score keepers, I talk with those willing to exchange ideas...:2wave:
 
Elvira said:
lol...I see, my mistake for quoting you to begin with...you are a score keeper, nothing more...I don't talk with score keepers, I talk with those willing to exchange ideas...:2wave:
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Like all religious types..when I debate with facts that you can't dispute you need to go personal insult. I had a sunday school teacher that called my parents once and said that I hit her. A complete lie. She was just pissed like you that I had the audacity to ask questions and think for myself rather than sit there and be told what to think and believe. She was hoping that my father would beat me....lol..I cited the eigth commandment to her and told her confessions were to follow. I don't think its asking too much for cogent answers about the bible from people who believe it to be fact and not fiction. Do you? Or do you need to insult me rather than answer. Both appeal to me....always have. One shows a belief and the other shows a BS artist.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Like all religious types..when I debate with facts that you can't dispute you need to go personal insult. I had a sunday school teacher that called my parents once and said that I hit her. A complete lie. She was just pissed like you that I had the audacity to ask questions and think for myself rather than sit there and be told what to think and believe. She was hoping that my father would beat me....lol..I cited the eigth commandment to her and told her confessions were to follow. I don't think its asking too much for cogent answers about the bible from people who believe it to be fact and not fiction. Do you? Or do you need to insult me rather than answer. Both appeal to me....always have. One shows a belief and the other shows a BS artist.
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I'm not pissed, I just don't see the point in wasting my time with certain people...sounds like you're the one who has a personal problem...
 
Elvira said:
lol...I see, my mistake for quoting you to begin with...you are a score keeper, nothing more...I don't talk with score keepers, I talk with those willing to exchange ideas...:2wave:
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He's right though. One look at the flood story leaves only a few conclusions to choose from.

1. The story is made up Bull****

2. The god is far from perfect and needed to reboot his first attempt at creating a society.

3. God is a controlling psychopath who cannot abide dissent or the practice of free will.


My money, of course, is on 1.
 
Elvira said:
I'm not pissed, I just don't see the point in wasting my time with certain people...sounds like you're the one who has a personal problem...
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I'm not the one that personally attacked...you were. See commandment 8. Dont forget to confess to the guy in the booth. Penance is gonna be high on #8. Ouchie.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I'm not the one that personally attacked...you were. See commandment 8. Dont forget to confess to the guy in the booth. Penance is gonna be high on #8. Ouchie.
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You know what they say about people who ASSume...;)
 
calamity said:
He's right though. One look at the flood story leaves only a few conclusions to choose from.

1. The story is made up Bull****

2. The god is far from perfect and needed to reboot his first attempt at creating a society.

3. God is a controlling psychopath who cannot abide dissent or the practice of free will.


My money, of course, is on 1.
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Well, you already know how I fee but I'll tell you once againl...

“You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.” Revelation 4:11
 
AlphaOmega said:
What have I assumed? You personally attacked me...its all right there in the text. I assumed nothing.
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When Elvira loses an argument she always resorts to personal attacks.
 
Elvira said:
Well, you already know how I fee but I'll tell you once againl...

“You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.” Revelation 4:11
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IMO, an imperfect god would be more palpable. I like my gods to be humble.
 
Marrybore said:
The problem with the Bible is that over the centuries, over the Millenia, people - mainly priests - picked and discarded various religious texts to create the Bible. If a particular text wasn’t to their liking, they decided not to include it. The Bible as it is today isn’t a holy book - it’s been influenced by historical prejudices over a long period of time.
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Well they can take a hike, the Bible is the only source of God
 
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