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Challenge to Atheists

TypicalRussian said:
F*ck no, its poetry, No ancient person is interested in learning all this science, they want to FARM
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Then why ask for contradictions? If it's all poetry then it can say anything.

This is done. Bye.
 
Irredentist said:
But that isn't what the Bible says happened. In John it reads thus:

28 Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

29 So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”
bringing against this man?”

30 “If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

31 Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. 32 This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate.

Here is the version from Mark.

Very early in the morning, the chief priests, with the elders, the teachers of the law and the whole Sanhedrin, made their plans. So they bound Jesus, led him away and handed him over to Pilate.

2 “Are you the king of the Jews?” asked Pilate.

“You have said so,” Jesus replied.

3 The chief priests accused him of many things. 4 So again Pilate asked him, “Aren’t you going to answer? See how many things they are accusing you of.”

5 But Jesus still made no reply, and Pilate was amazed.

In one account Jesus says barely anything at his trial, in the other he says plenty. So which was it?
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Those are COMPLETELY different times, the second is when the crowd is there and the first is when they introduce Jesus to Pilate
 
mrdeltoid said:
Mostly between the OT and NT. I studied the bible for like 3 years steady every day. I found that it doesn't contradict itself when put in proper context. One of the most tired and reused one is "Eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek". It's been quite a while since I was studying the bible, but I used to be able to back up my side of the debate with scripture. I still can, but it would take me some time now days.
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Good post
 
TypicalRussian said:
Give me a supposed error in the Bible and I will destroy it
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Hold up and hold on here, good sir.

Given that you've never once read the bible, a fact to which you admit openly and frequently, why would you expect people to take what you say seriously? I mean, you literally do not know the Bible.

BTW, I really like mustard, and there literally are no good Russian mustards.

Oh, sure, good pickles and all that, but thats because Russians aren't industrious and they hate planets.

They're like RV people who put covers over their RV tires.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Hold up and hold on here, good sir.

Given that you've never once read the bible, a fact to which you admit openly and frequently, why would you expect people to take what you say seriously? I mean, you literally do not know the Bible.

BTW, I really like mustard, and there literally are no good Russian mustards.

Oh, sure, good pickles and all that, but thats because Russians aren't industrious and they hate planets.

They're like RV people who put covers over their RV tires.
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Errors have been pointed out and he has failed to destroy them.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Those are COMPLETELY different times, the second is when the crowd is there and the first is when they introduce Jesus to Pilate
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Obviously, they are not completely different times, because both passages begin by explicitly stating that the events occured at the same time of day, very early in the morning. And both passages immediately lead into the crowd demanding that Barabbas be released and Jesus be executed. They are very clearly both describing the same event.
 
mrdeltoid said:
Mostly between the OT and NT. I studied the bible for like 3 years steady every day. I found that it doesn't contradict itself when put in proper context. One of the most tired and reused one is "Eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek". It's been quite a while since I was studying the bible, but I used to be able to back up my side of the debate with scripture. I still can, but it would take me some time now days.
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And there is the key to understanding, which the majority overlook in doing...context, as well as comparing all scriptures on a particular subject...cherry picking is infamous with believers and unbelievers alike...
 
as a person who grew up in the church one thing that i've always had a huge problem with is a person could rape and eat 10,000 babies for 80 years and at the last possible second be truly saved and be accepted into heaven while a person, who was never exposed to Christianity, could live the most Christ like life (loving and serving others) and be condemned to hell because of geography.

and i've heard all the explanations (as the OP will now repeat) forever and it still doesn't make sense that Hilter, Stalin and Jeffrey Dahmer could be in heaven today.

now, you guys ready yourselves for those often written explanations from our biblical scholars.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Now your rambling off topic again!!
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O the than diversionary tactics, and misrepresenting things that were said, where have you destroyed anything?>
 
CaughtInThe said:
as a person who grew up in the church one thing that i've always had a huge problem with is a person could rape and eat 10,000 babies for 80 years and at the last possible second be truly saved and be accepted into heaven while a person, who was never exposed to Christianity, could live the most Christ like life (loving and serving others) and be condemned to hell because of geography.

and i've heard all the explanations (as the OP will now repeat) forever and it still doesn't make sense that Hilter, Stalin and Jeffrey Dahmer could be in heaven today.

now, you guys ready yourselves for those often written explanations from our biblical scholars.
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The good thing is, that is God's decision to make, not ours...
 
Elvira said:
And there is the key to understanding, which the majority overlook in doing...context, as well as comparing all scriptures on a particular subject...cherry picking is infamous with believers and unbelievers alike...
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Comparing the gospel narrativess reveals just how much they tend to disagree on various elements of Jesus's story. The gospels were written by different men at different times, and not everything in them is historically accurate, though some of it undoubtedly is.
 
Irredentist said:
Comparing the gospel narrativess reveals just how much they tend to disagree on various elements of Jesus's story. The gospels were written by different men at different times, and not everything in them is historically accurate, though some of it undoubtedly is.
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They are like any other eyewitness accounts...there are going to be minor differences, perhaps details left out of one, but added in another...on the major things, they are all in harmony...
 
Elvira said:
They are like any other eyewitness accounts...there are going to be minor differences, perhaps details left out of one, but added in another...on the major things, they are all in harmony...
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The gospels are not eyewitness accounts, especially since some of them were written over a hundred years after Jesus was born.
 
Irredentist said:
The gospels are not eyewitness accounts, especially since some of them were written over a hundred years after Jesus was born.
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Someone had to write them down and pass them on somewhere along the line, so yes, they are eyewitness accounts...that is how all things were recorded in ancient history...by copyists...
 
Elvira said:
Someone had to write them down and pass them on somewhere along the line, so yes, they are eyewitness accounts...that is how all things were recorded in ancient history...by copyists...
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Not true. Some people wrote down their own histories, such as Julius Caesar. Jesus, unfortunately, did not, so we have to rely on what other people wrote about him, and not everything that everyone has written about Jesus, including the gospels, is true.
 
TypicalRussian said:
What, stop your ramblings, make coherent sentences
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He's saying if you claim our souls come out of volcanoes and enter a fetus and get a hundred other people to believe you, it must be true. I found the sentence self explanatory.
 
Irredentist said:
Not true. Some people wrote down their own histories, such as Julius Caesar. Jesus, unfortunately, did not, so we have to rely on what other people wrote about him, and not everything that everyone has written about Jesus, including the gospels, is true.
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I would trust several person's accounts as being true over only one...
 
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