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After hours of deliberation, the Israeli government on Friday approved a ceasefire agreement with Hamas that calls for the cessation of fighting in Gaza and the release of the first three Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners as early as Sunday. A significant increase in humanitarian aid, including as much as 600 trucks of food, tents, medical supplies and fuel per day, is also expected to begin flowing into the devastated enclave on Sunday, humanitarian workers say.

The deal was endorsed earlier Friday by Netanyahu’s inner war cabinet with only Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir voting in opposition. The agreement ran into last-minute snags Thursday over disputes about which prisoners Hamas wanted released from Israeli custody in exchange for hostages taken from Israel, and whether the Israeli military would remain in the Philadelphi Corridor along Gaza’s border with Egypt.


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A. Let's see just how many days or hours it takes Hamas to break it, or some associated militant(s) to do it and have that assigned to Hamas (thing is...the militant side doesn't always listen to the political side, as it were); or

B. Bibi/Ben Gvir announce it broken falsely because they really want to kill all the Palestinians but are not great at imitating Germany; or

C. Everything else.


Yeah #B was a bit tongue-not-really-in-cheek, but some do have a habit of immediately reasoning If Israel ---> Lie. Assumptions suck, details matter, yadda yadda.

We'll see. I can only assume (and hope) Israel will re-occupy while rooting out the rest of Hamas. I'd hope it's an international coalition helping. Because Likud really does suck, as does Bibi, and Ben Gvir is horrid. Like Jared Kushner, the lattermost does seem to want Israel to do what it has been wrongly accused of doing.

They have to genuinely help the Palestinians rebuild for there to be any hope of an eventual two-state solution; a lasting peace. Enough that Palestinians will turn in Hamas/militants, instead of redoing '06-'07 (giving Hamas >50% of seats in the general assembly or whatever it's called, and having Hamas as government of Gaza).

The Gordian Knot doesn't have shit on this.
 
I am glad, it’s a start and I hope it holds and is built on. It’s a good way to enter the weekend. Hostages being released and relief supplies flowing are both big wins.
 
Thank you President Elect for your part in bringing this agreement about.
 
What is a Slavish attitude?


obeying completely and having no original thoughts or ideas: a slavish devotion to duty. a slavish translation. Synonyms. servile disapproving.
 
Bok Tuklo said:
Israelis are hostages. Palestinians are prisoners.
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Don’t try to equate them since the agreed upon exchange rate is 33 (with 10 dead) for about 1000 (all alive).
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Don’t try to equate them since the agreed upon exchange rate is 33 (with 10 dead) for about 1000 (all alive).
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Considering the number of Palestinian civilians killed vs Israeli civilians killed on October 7th, that seems to be the exchange rate.
 
Nice work Joe....
 
It's a shitty deal. the rate is 20 to 1 of palestinians returned for a male hostage and 30 to 1 for females. Who negotiates that crap? Oh, yeah Biden said it's texactly the deal he set up back in May.
I wonder how many days/weeks before Hamas reloads and attacks?
 
Hostages need to get back in one way or another.
The terrorists and murderers Israel releases tomorrow will have to be hunted down and killed later.
Better than them spending their years in a 5-star prison anwyay.
 
Mr. Person:

Why do you assume that Hamas or any other Palestinian militant organisations are more likely to break the peace of the ceasefire when PM Netanyahu has repeatedly said that Israel will always target important targets of opportunity should they present themselves as they have done during the Lebanese ceasefire and extreme Zionists like Ben Gvir and Smotrich egging on their followers who are IDF personnel to break the cease fire unilaterally?

I do hope that the ceasefire holds and that as many hostages are released during the next sis weeks and I hope that phase two and phase three of the peace plan can continue so that all hostages living and dead can be brought back to their families and communities. However that hope is moderated by the evil intentions of some on both sides of this more than century long conflict. However without hope there is only nihilism so I shall continue to hope while keeping my eyes on bad actors on all sides of this conflict.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.
 
phoenix2020 said:
I am glad, it’s a start and I hope it holds and is built on. It’s a good way to enter the weekend. Hostages being released and relief supplies flowing are both big wins.
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As long as Israel adamantly refuses to even consider Palestine as a sovereign state, and as long as there is resistance to Israel's illegal occupation, the fighting will continue. This is merely a brief pause in a conflict which has raged for a century. Given ample precedent I'm not optimistic that anything will materially change.
 

When was Palestine ever considered to be a sovereign state and what were its defined boundaries?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
When was Palestine ever considered to be a sovereign state and what were its defined boundaries?
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It is recognised as such by the majority (160), of the UN member states, and has enjoyed non-member state observer status at the UN since 2012.



Maybe you could ask Israel about "defined boundaries" and why it chooses to ignore their own and continues to illegally occupy territory which isn't theirs.
 

It seems that both ‘states’ claim that their territory exists from the river to the sea.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It seems that both ‘states’ claim that their territory exists from the river to the sea.
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Do they? I'm only aware of Netanyahu's Likud Charter of 1977 which states; "Between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".

Original Party Platform of the Likud Party

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
 

Yep - especially when “, Palestine will be free” is added.

From the river to the sea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

‘From the river to the sea’: What does the Palestinian slogan really mean?

Critics have called its use anti-Semitic amid Israel’s war on Gaza. But the slogan has more complex roots.
www.aljazeera.com

‘From the river to the sea’: One slogan, many meanings | Review of Democracy

It is often maintained that the slogan ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ expresses a genocidal and antisemitic intention. But this is generally not the case. On the contrary, the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for...
revdem.ceu.edu
 
phoenix2020 said:
Thank you President Biden for your part in bringing this agreement about.
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For what, waking up to eat some yogurt?

LOL, Biden did ZERO to bring this about, and in fact, he supported and funded this war just as he did Ukraine.

Trump's envoy is solely responsible for this, and saying otherwise is simply an intentional lie.
 
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