CDC recent data: lots of good information

[Moderate Right]

So, you assume that he posts the same charts you have already seen. Anyway, the credibility of his or any other's charts is enhanced by the conservatives' inability to actually address them. Dismissing any chart by making a claim that it cherry picks the data without explaining how and without showing which omitting data give a better picture of reality does not refute any chart. And I assume when a chart is not refuted, it gives an incentive to keep using it to remind the other side that the available evidence cannot be refuted.

I've seen these people post the same old **** for 5 years now. They have nothing new. And, they think if they post the same **** 100 times that it makes it more credible. It doesn't. It's the same old recycled ****.

 

[pamak]

I've seen these people post the same old **** for 5 years now. They have nothing new. And, they think if they post the same **** 100 times that it makes it more credible. It doesn't. It's the same old recycled ****.

How can you say such things about pandemic related charts when the pandemic is not even a year old?

 

[pamak]

I've seen these people post the same old **** for 5 years now. They have nothing new. And, they think if they post the same **** 100 times that it makes it more credible. It doesn't. It's the same old recycled ****.

How can you say such things about pandemic related charts when the pandemic is not even a year old?. It is obvious that the issue you have is with the people (which from your past experience, you do not trust) and not with the data itself. By the way, I do not imply that a person should trust others. What I am saying is that regardless of what you think about the others, you need to take the time and attack their charts and evidence instead of summarily dismissing them. Otherwise, we have to agree that we cannot have any conversation about any issue.

 

[Moderate Right]

How can you say such things about pandemic related charts when the pandemic is not even a year old?

I was referring to the other BS the left always posts. There are no charts or graphs that mean much of anything with Covid. Everybody's figures are not accurate and have so many different variables you can't compare them. They are basically useless.

 

[pamak]

I was referring to the other BS the left always posts. There are no charts or graphs that mean much of anything with Covid. Everybody's figures are not accurate and have so many different variables you can't compare them. They are basically useless.

The lack of precision does nor establish a justification for dismissing the data. One must explain how the magnitude of inprecion or the methodology that was used make the charts irrelevant. And one can always use statistics and probability to come to some conclusions about imperfect data. You would not argue that the US wealth canot be compared to that of an African country because charts are "irrelevant" and because economic measures like GDP are not precise, right? People can still use imperfect data to argue that one country is clearly performing better than another and come to conclusions regarding which policies in the economy or in public health work better.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I've seen these people post the same old **** for 5 years now. They have nothing new. And, they think if they post the same **** 100 times that it makes it more credible. It doesn't. It's the same old recycled ****.

If the performance of the US in fighting COVID-19 improves and you see me changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to deny that improvement - THEN you can complain about "cherry picking".

PS - I don't suppose that you notice that the charts and tables that I post have been showing that the performance of the US in fighting COVID-19 is improving AND that I have NOT been changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to deny that improvement.

PPS - Just so that you know, there is more to that consistency than "I'm too damn lazy to bother changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to **P*R*O*V*E** any particular thesis.". Can you guess what that is?

 

[Moderate Right]

If the performance of the US in fighting COVID-19 improves and you see me changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to deny that improvement - THEN you can complain about "cherry picking".

PS - I don't suppose that you notice that the charts and tables that I post have been showing that the performance of the US in fighting COVID-19 is improving AND that I have NOT been changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to deny that improvement.

PPS - Just so that you know, there is more to that consistency than "I'm too damn lazy to bother changing the data groups and/or calculations so as to **P*R*O*V*E** any particular thesis.". Can you guess what that is?

Glad to know that you think Trump is responsible for our conditions improving.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Glad to know that you think Trump is responsible for our conditions improving.

I guess that you didn't notice that the charts and graphs do NOT mention (either as a positive or a negative factor) Mr. Trump at all.

If you want my personal opinion, the situation in the US is improving in spite of Mr. Trump and NOT because of Mr. Trump.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to stop paying attention to his (considerable) "gut" and start paying attention to the advice of people who are actually knowledgeable in the field? Yes I do.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to stop playing political games and start treating COVID-19 as what it is - as existential medical threat? Yes I do.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to start acting like a leader and accepting the responsibilities of being the leader of the American people? Yes I do.

Do I think that any of those three things are likely to come to pass? No I do not.

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[Moderate Right]

I guess that you didn't notice that the charts and graphs do NOT mention (either as a positive or a negative factor) Mr. Trump at all.

If you want my personal opinion, the situation in the US is improving in spite of Mr. Trump and NOT because of Mr. Trump.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to stop paying attention to his (considerable) "gut" and start paying attention to the advice of people who are actually knowledgeable in the field? Yes I do.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to stop playing political games and start treating COVID-19 as what it is - as existential medical threat? Yes I do.

Do I think that the situation in the US would improve more rapidly if Mr. Trump were to start acting like a leader and accepting the responsibilities of being the leader of the American people? Yes I do.

Do I think that any of those three things are likely to come to pass? No I do not.

LOL. I would have never guessed. I confess, my question was a trick question. When things go bad you blame it on Trump. When things get better you say they are getting better in spite of Trump. Then you want me to take your cherry picked charts seriously.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

LOL. I would have never guessed. I confess, my question was a trick question. When things go bad you blame it on Trump.

Well, he IS "The Leader" isn't he?

When things get better you say they are getting better in spite of Trump.

That's not quite what I said meant. What I said meant was "If Mr. Trump"

1. were to stop paying attention to his (considerable) "gut" and start paying attention to the advice of people who are actually knowledgeable in the field?;
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2. stopped playing political games and started treating COVID-19 as what it is - as existential medical threat;
   *
   and;
   *
3. started acting like a leader and accepting the responsibilities of being the leader of the American people;

then things would be getting better a whole lot faster.

Then you want me to take your cherry picked charts seriously.

I never ask for miracles.

Now, just to show you how "cherry picked" those charts and tables are, do you know what

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would look like if absolutely nothing had changed except that Mr. Obama was the President of the United States of America?

Well, it would look like this

Spoiler

and I have a very good idea what your reaction to it would be if that were the case. Based on your posts, it is most likely that your reaction would be

Spoiler

raving enthusiasm for the accuracy of the data
AND
complete and total castigation of Mr. Obama for the abysmally poor job he had done as America's leader in the fight against COVID-19

wouldn't it?