CDC just messed up, big time.

[Jack Fabulous]

The CDC just dropped the recommendation for masks for fully vaccinated people except in healthcare situations.

This is a disaster as this makes the ridiculous assumption that people are honest and will not claim to vaccinated just to not wear a mask.

Without vaccination requirements this is going to keep the spread of Covid robust.

Very disturbing.

This post did not age well.

 

[noonereal]

This post did not age well.

Did you mean, DID age well????????????

It's spot on. ?????

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Did you mean, DID age well????????????

It's spot on. ?????

Sure it is.

Coivid rates spiked after the mask mandate was lifted... even though they didn't.

 

[noonereal]

Sure it is.

Coivid rates spiked after the mask mandate was lifted... even though they didn't.

OMFG, you might want to check out the latest numbers in teh hillbilly states.

In the good states the infection rates have , they were in steep decline . In the bad, red states, the infection rate is climbing.

How about trying to be honest in your posts?

 

[Paradoxical]

Did you mean, DID age well????????????

It's spot on. ?????

People dying all over the place in Arizona, Florida, Texas because they don't wear masks, eh?

 

[Jack Fabulous]

OMFG, you might want to check out the latest numbers in teh hillbilly states.

In the good states the infection rates have , they were in steep decline . In the bad, red states, the infection rate is climbing.

How about trying to be honest in your posts?

You are being purposefully ignorant.



The pandemic is over. You should be happy.

 

[Ethel2]

Sure it is.

Coivid rates spiked after the mask mandate was lifted... even though they didn't.

They are spiking, though its not much of a spike, here in CA. For example, in my county (which is about 80% vaccinated) we increased our average daily cases from 3 to 5. There are 260,000 people living here.
Almost all the new infections are in covidiots who have stubbornly and unwisely decided not to be vaccinated. My only two concerns are that some infections are occurring in kids too young to be vaccinated and that its possible that because of the amount of virus still out there an escape variant may develop, which would force normal people to get a booster. Only a few of the infections are in vaccinated people. At this point no one should care much about the new infections with the aforementioned caveats since they almost entirely affect the unvaccinated who, after they get infected (or, unfortunately do not survive the infection) will likely be immune, reducing the denominator and bringing us closer to herd immunity. So in some ways I cheer the new spike as it is almost entirely limited to fools who choose not to get the shots.

 

[Lutherf]

You are being purposefully ignorant.



The pandemic is over. You should be happy.

It's like I said at the outset of this whole thing, we're all gonna die from Covid, eventually. Sure, it might take 80 years for some of us but I guarantee it will happen.

 

[Threegoofs]

It's like I said at the outset of this whole thing, we're all gonna die from Covid, eventually. Sure, it might take 80 years for some of us but I guarantee it will happen.

That’s why your posts on this have been completely wrong from the start.

There’s a pretty good chance that the vaccinations will provide permanent immunity, and we should eventually see COVID disappear. There’s a chance of escape variants, of the vaccines somehow not triggering b-cell immunity, etc.., but the chances of that are getting smaller by the day.

 

[Moderate Right]

The CDC just dropped the recommendation for masks for fully vaccinated people except in healthcare situations.

This is a disaster as this makes the ridiculous assumption that people are honest and will not claim to vaccinated just to not wear a mask.

Without vaccination requirements this is going to keep the spread of Covid robust.

Very disturbing.

LOL. What about following the science and listening to the experts?

 

[SarahSun]

The CDC just dropped the recommendation for masks for fully vaccinated people except in healthcare situations.

This is a disaster as this makes the ridiculous assumption that people are honest and will not claim to vaccinated just to not wear a mask.

Without vaccination requirements this is going to keep the spread of Covid robust.

Very disturbing.

Here i think you are wrong. In my opinion and all the state graphs are in agreement, no mitigations slowed or stopped the virus. States that ended the mask mandate before the CDC said so are doing just as well or better than other states.

 

[Lutherf]

That’s why your posts on this have been completely wrong from the start.

There’s a pretty good chance that the vaccinations will provide permanent immunity, and we should eventually see COVID disappear. There’s a chance of escape variants, of the vaccines somehow not triggering b-cell immunity, etc.., but the chances of that are getting smaller by the day.

Right. Tha vaccinations will provide immunity, unlike if you already had the disease which means you aren't at all immune. Only the vaccination provides immunity, unless, of course, it doesn't and since we don't know for sure it's best to just keep in panicking.

 

[snakestretcher]

We have cards.

Same here. I have two; one per shot.

 

[Ethel2]

Right. Tha vaccinations will provide immunity, unlike if you already had the disease which means you aren't at all immune. Only the vaccination provides immunity, unless, of course, it doesn't and since we don't know for sure it's best to just keep in panicking.

As expected, you are incorrect. Its very likely that infection, especially symptomatic infection, provides (from my reading in medical blogs) immunity equal to that of vaccination, and the strongest immunity is provided in people who have been vaccinated after contracting the virus.

 

[snakestretcher]

Here i think you are wrong. In my opinion and all the state graphs are in agreement, no mitigations slowed or stopped the virus. States that ended the mask mandate before the CDC said so are doing just as well or better than other states.

Nonsense. Masks work-as long as enough people wear them and adhere rigorously to social distancing policy. Ask yourself why Southeast Asian nations have done so well in combating the disease. If the answer you get is 'because they wore masks', you get today's Gold Star fridge magnet award.

What’s the secret to Southeast Asia’s Covid success stories?

There is no secret.

www.lowyinstitute.org

 

[NWRatCon]

Here i think you are wrong. In my opinion and all the state graphs are in agreement, no mitigations slowed or stopped the virus. States that ended the mask mandate before the CDC said so are doing just as well or better than other states.

That's interesting, as it seems to be contradicted by open source data. What data are you relying on, and what timeframe?

 

[Threegoofs]

Here i think you are wrong. In my opinion and all the state graphs are in agreement, no mitigations slowed or stopped the virus. States that ended the mask mandate before the CDC said so are doing just as well or better than other states.

Your opinion is kinda trumped by data. There is no question non pharmaceutical interventions (NPI) have impacted the spread of COVID. None.

The impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions on SARS-CoV-2 transmission across 130 countries and territories - BMC Medicine

Background Non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) are used to reduce transmission of SARS coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). However, empirical evidence of the effectiveness of specific NPIs has been inconsistent. We assessed the effectiveness of NPIs...

bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com

Want a really definitive example? The typical influenza season, also heavily affected by NPI, was down to about 2000 *cases* - the lowest ever seen. Typically, a flu season results in tens of MILLIONS of cases, and tens of thousands of deaths. This is directly due to NPI, and arresting the exponential growth one sees in viral disease.

 

[Threegoofs]

Right. Tha vaccinations will provide immunity, unlike if you already had the disease which means you aren't at all immune. Only the vaccination provides immunity, unless, of course, it doesn't and since we don't know for sure it's best to just keep in panicking.

Well, no. Having COVID - especially symptomatic COVID, will probably confer long term immunity also, which will be reinforced by the vaccine.

But I think your putting out an absurd posture on this to be funny.

The problem is… its kinda hard to figure out when you are trying to be absurd and your regular posts.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

They are spiking,

Where? North Korea?

In the United States, new cases are plummeting.

It's over. You should be happy. I am.

 

[Ethel2]

Where? North Korea?

In the United States, new cases are plummeting.

It's over. You should be happy. I am.

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Nope
California and in many red states. Try to pay attention:

“ LOS ANGELES (AP) — California broadly reopened its economy barely two weeks ago and since then an especially contagious coronavirus variant has spread among the unvaccinated, a development that has health officials on edge and already has prompted Los Angeles County to strongly recommend everyone resume wearing masks inside.

The nation’s most populous state is averaging close to 1,000 additional cases reported daily, an increase of about 17% in the last 14 days.”

 

[MaryP]

Nope
California and in many red states. Try to pay attention:

“ LOS ANGELES (AP) — California broadly reopened its economy barely two weeks ago and since then an especially contagious coronavirus variant has spread among the unvaccinated, a development that has health officials on edge and already has prompted Los Angeles County to strongly recommend everyone resume wearing masks inside.

The nation’s most populous state is averaging close to 1,000 additional cases reported daily, an increase of about 17% in the last 14 days.”

It begins.

I see this as being a two step process. The freedumb fighters will get vaccinated when the Germ hits too close to home, or when the FDA approves the vaccines and the government and businesses begin universally requiring it--whichever comes first.

 

[Ethel2]

It begins.

I see this as being a two step process. The freedumb fighters will get vaccinated when the Germ hits too close to home, or when the FDA approves the vaccines and the government and businesses begin universally requiring it--whichever comes first.

I doubt that the stubborn covidiots will get vaccinated at all, and to be honest as long as an escape variant doesn’t develop we normal people shouldn’t give it much thought. They won’t get vaccinated mostly because someone else told them that its a good idea. Now when they end up in the ICU struggling to breathe only then will they regret not doing the right thing. I have spoken to many of my medical colleagues who told me that these unvaccinated folks had no idea it could happen to THEM. Like most covidiots they underestimated the disease and overestimated their chances of avoiding it.
If you are unvaccinated-its coming for YOU!

 

[MaryP]

I doubt that the stubborn covidiots will get vaccinated at all, and to be honest as long as an escape variant doesn’t develop we normal people shouldn’t give it much thought. They won’t get vaccinated mostly because someone else told them that its a good idea. Now when they end up in the ICU struggling to breathe only then will they regret not doing the right thing. I have spoken to many of my medical colleagues who told me that these unvaccinated folks had no idea it could happen to THEM. Like most covidiots they underestimated the disease and overestimated their chances of avoiding it.
If you are unvaccinated-its coming for YOU!

The problem is, most of them won't end up in ICU, but now that no one is wearing a mask and most restrictions are gone, they'll spread it around until someone else ends up in ICU. As long as it's someone else, they still won't care.

They anticipate the FDA will approve both Pfizer and Moderna by the end of the year. I will be shocked if the federal government doesn't immediately require vaccination, both for all its employees and the military. That's a lot of people. I'm not positive about schools--that seems to be dependent on state laws if there are exceptions allowed. That would be another huge chunk of people, although I'm guessing the majority of the adults already are.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Nope
California and in many red states. Try to pay attention:

“ LOS ANGELES (AP) — California broadly reopened its economy barely two weeks ago and since then an especially contagious coronavirus variant has spread among the unvaccinated, a development that has health officials on edge and already has prompted Los Angeles County to strongly recommend everyone resume wearing masks inside.

The nation’s most populous state is averaging close to 1,000 additional cases reported daily, an increase of about 17% in the last 14 days.”

You post an excerpt from obviously biased article which seeks to promote a narrative and totally ignore actual data from the CDC which I hung right in front of your face?

It's over. Be happy.

 

[Ethel2]

You post an excerpt from obviously biased article which seeks to promote a narrative and totally ignore actual data from the CDC which I hung right in front of your face?

It's over. Be happy.

Data is data. It from the local SF news station website.The uptick is real and its due to the delta variant.
But it affects almost entirely the covidiots, so who cares?

If it was over I would be delighted; since its not over that makes you mistaken again. I gave you the facts. I don’t much care if you believe them. Facts are facts whether you believe them or not.