CDC just messed up, big time.

[lurchadams]

IMO at this point, few people are wearing masks unless they feel like it...or to protect themselves.

The funny thing is, wearing masks protect mostly other's, not the wearer. Thus, unvaxxed folk not wearing masks are just proving what irresponsible, uncaring pricks they truly are..... not surprisingly.. most of them.. GOP voters.

 

[noonereal]

Well, it has started. Trader Joe's has dropped it's mask mandate for vaccinated people.

Like we all know, Trumpists will stop wearing the mask if vaccinated or not.

This is only going to spread disease.

This is a big step backwards for the country. I know I won't be shopping at places that rescind the mask requirement.

Just when things were looking so bright.

 

[Ethel2]

I believe he was speaking to vaccinations cards that you get from your health provider when vaccinated. These are being forged by the hundreds of thousands.

I haven’t see a single business in Ohio that is requiring vaccination yet.

Wayne isn’t being honest

 

[Common Sense 1]

I bet Dr Fauci again contradicts himself and agrees.

He did on TV today!

 

[Common Sense 1]

Well, it has started. Trader Joe's has dropped it's mask mandate for vaccinated people.

Like we all know, Trumpists will stop wearing the mask if vaccinated or not.

This is only going to spread disease.

This is a big step backwards for the country. I know I won't be shopping at places that rescind the mask requirement.

Just when things were looking so bright.

Is the CDC following the science? They said they are?

 

[Ethel2]

Well, it has started. Trader Joe's has dropped it's mask mandate for vaccinated people.

Like we all know, Trumpists will stop wearing the mask if vaccinated or not.

This is only going to spread disease.

This is a big step backwards for the country. I know I won't be shopping at places that rescind the mask requirement.

Just when things were looking so bright.

As Gupta said, we will become a nation of the vaccinated and the infected. As long as kids avoid TJs it’s fine with me.

Cull away!

 

[Ethel2]

Is the CDC following the science? They said they are?

Yes

 

[Common Sense 1]

Joe will keep wearing his when he remembers it!

 

[Wayne Jr]

I'm still a little confused because you also mentioned "cards". Were there "vaccine cards" being made to show proof for these "vaccines" as well?

Vaccine cards have been around since the 1940s. My own vaccine record for grade school was on an 8 by 5 card.

 

[noonereal]

I haven’t see a single business in Ohio that is requiring vaccination yet.

Wayne isn’t being honest

I don't think any business in the country is requiring it, yet.

Hopefully, once the vaccine is approved, we will start to see it.

 

[noonereal]

Is the CDC following the science?

Yes they are.

The problem is not that vaccinated people do not need masks, it is that Trumpists are unvaccinated and will claim they are vaccinated thereby spreading the disease.

I am not arguing against science, I am arguing that the human nature of Trumpists should have been taken into account.

 

[Gaius46]

Yes they are.

The problem is not that vaccinated people do not need masks, it is that Trumpists are unvaccinated and will claim they are vaccinated thereby spreading the disease.

I am not arguing against science, I am arguing that the human nature of Trumpists should have been taken into account.

Why does it matter? If you don’t get vaccinated and go out unprotected the result is of your own making.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Not causing problems for oneself, causing problems for sociaty.

In other words, cowards invoke this tactic.

If covid wasn't highly survivable I would agree but most people who get it don't even show symptoms.

 

[Gaius46]

Nothing concrete so far; it's a difficult area-especially where making the distinction between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic infection is concerned:

Asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2: A systematic review - PMC

Many of the statutes comprising the shelter-in-place and phased-reopening orders are centered around minimizing asymptomatic and presymptomatic transmission. Assumptions about the presence and relative importance of asymptomatic and presymptomatic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections

People without symptoms can pass on the virus, but estimating their contribution to outbreaks is challenging.

www.nature.com

That’s out of date information. Several studies done in 2021 showed that the vaccines - the mRNA ones at any rate - were highly effective at stopping transmission. I pointed to the latest one, about a week old, in this post

CDC just messed up, big time.

I'm not a snitch. You think this an admirable quality, I think it an excuse for cowering to peer pressure. (which it is) I'm ethically ok with superspreaders of highly survivable viruses like sars/covid. I'd like to fear you perspective on this.

debatepolitics.com

 

[Threegoofs]

My conscience is clear

Nonexistent, possibly.

 

[Ethel2]

Why does it matter? If you don’t get vaccinated and go out unprotected the result is of your own making.

Sure. Go out and get infected for all I care. Just stay away from children under 16 until their parents have had a chance to get them vaccinated. Once everyone has had a chance to protect themselves then hopefully the covidiots will self-cull themselves.

 

[MaryP]

Everyone with half a brain knows masks reduce transmission. Those without even half a brain are about to be culled, which is fine with me. The others, the maskholes who know masks work but refuse to wear them a warped political statement about perceived loss of freedom, they too will be culled.

Most people don't die, Ethel. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[noonereal]

Most people don't die, Ethel. Don't get your hopes up.

A million a year is a big help though.

 

[Visbek]

This will mean more infections and that it will take longer to hit herd immunity.

The guidance doesn't say "everyone can go without masks." It's that if you are vaccinated, you don't need a mask in most situations.

The evidence is quite clear that people who are vaccinated are at very low risk of developing the virus, and almost no chance of getting a serious case. The CDC has shown an abundance of caution so far. Given the chance of vaccinated people still spreading the virus, I have no problems with the past guidance.

There will be breakthrough cases with any vaccine. That alone is not a reason to deny the evidence.

We're not getting to herd immunity. It's just not happening. We're struggling just to get to 40% of the population fully vaccinated.

The value of encouraging people to get vaccinated, by wearing masks less often, outweighs the small number of mild cases that might happen as a result.

 

[noonereal]

The guidance doesn't say "everyone can go without masks." It's that if you are vaccinated, you don't need a mask in most situations.

I know the specifics, I am not a Trumpist.

The evidence is quite clear that people who are vaccinated are at very low risk of developing the virus,

8 Yankees have it, all fully vaccinated. All within a day of each other. 8 out of 50 in one place at one time should set off an alarm.

There will be breakthrough cases with any vaccine. That alone is not a reason to deny the evidence.

I deny no evidence, I speak to human nature.

We're not getting to herd immunity. It's just not happening.

This, sadly, I know. Trumpists will not permit it.

The value of encouraging people to get vaccinated, by wearing masks less often, outweighs the small number of mild cases that might happen as a result.

I literally cannot understand how someone can say this?
Have you no experience with humans?
If you could trust humans then the CDC guidance is fine.
Humans cannot be trusted however so the CDC guidance is misguided.

This will not encourage people to get vaccinated. This will do the opposite.
People will toss the mask and just say they are vaccinated as they spread the disease.

 

[MaryP]

Is there data on asymptomatic spread?

The data I just pulled up overwhelmingly agrees that over half of Covid infections are spread by asymptomatic people, but it has been based on people who weren't vaccinated. The vaccine significantly reduces the viral load, the CDC says, so it is less a factor in transmission. I didn't see any studies on that yet, but I trust them.

Google Search

 

[Wayne Jr]

Nonexistent, possibly.

Now you just sound like my catholic sister when the topic of me not attending church comes up.

 

[reflechissez]

The infrastructure bill is only fractionally about infrastructure. What is about infrastructure, I think will get significant Republican support. If the bill is broken up, I expect the infrastructure portion will pass.
Then, the rest of it (MOST of it), I suppose may be passed via reconciliation with Dems only, if Biden can get enough Dems. The Republicans will oppose an expenditure of that nature and the voters (should the bulk of it pass in reconciliation) will decide how they feel about that in 2022 - precisely in the way they'll decide about the size and scope of most recent Dem only COVID relief package. Luckily, states making their own decisions about their own economy are already rapidly rejecting parts of that COVID bill. We'll see which states fare better when it comes to upcoming employment numbers and, prior to the 22 election, I hope that data will have begun to paint a clear enough picture.

Bu "states" do you mean republican leaders in those states? Yeah, I'm sure ending the unemployment payment is really popular. And, don't you find hilarious that some republican leaders are trying to take credit for a bill that they didn't vote for?

 

[mrjurrs]

The CDC just dropped the recommendation for masks for fully vaccinated people except in healthcare situations.

This is a disaster as this makes the ridiculous assumption that people are honest and will not claim to vaccinated just to not wear a mask.

Without vaccination requirements this is going to keep the spread of Covid robust.

Very disturbing.

There are still state and workplace sites requiring masks. 10 years ago I would never have believed that the CDC acted politically. Now, I'm not sure.

 

[Grand Mal]

I bet Dr Fauci again contradicts himself and agrees.

Maybe you ought to set him straight.