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CDC confirms the first US coronavirus case of 'unknown' origin. The California patient was hospitali

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Source: (CNN) CDC confirms the first US coronavirus case of 'unknown' origin. The California patient was hospitalized for days before getting tested

A not very good COVID-19 milestone may have been hit - we have what appears to be the first case of unknown path of domestic transmission. The patient in CA has not been to China, and has not had any contact with any known infected person. The concern of course is not only that this specific patient may have infected others, but that the unknown person that transmitted the disease to this patient is out there further transmitting.

The fear of course, is that we may have a modern day "Typhoid Mary" amongst us, this time in CA rather than NY.

The news contributed in sending the Dow reeling, down nearly -800 pts at the open, and now at -650 pts down as I pen this.
 

This sets my CT sense tingling................:mrgreen:
 
Time to go to Sam's Club and stock up on chicken tomato soup, bleach, and oodles of noodles.
 

The very structure of our healthcare system enables the spread of the virus. People face high deductibles at the beginning of the calendar year, so they're less likely to seek necessary medical treatment.

The Coronavirus hit at the worst possible time for the United States.
 
Drawdown said:
Time to go to Sam's Club and stock up on chicken tomato soup, bleach, and oodles of noodles.
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Don’t forget milk and striking paper; you must not live in an urban setting where it snows.....
 
Drawdown said:
Time to go to Sam's Club and stock up on chicken tomato soup, bleach, and oodles of noodles.
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I'd say buy some surgical masks too, but there's none to be had. I checked and EVERY store is sold out. Same with Amazon.
 
Rexedgar said:
This sets my CT sense tingling................:mrgreen:
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Not mine. We know of substantial unknown path local transmission in Italy & Iran for instance, and I suspect it's taking place in some other of the now 50 countries & territories where the virus present.

You can only do so much domestically, if the virus continuous to expand globally. Do you close the borders to all international business? Stop all business and commerce? Shut-off the lights? It can't be done, while maintaining a viable economy. I don't mean an economic crash, here. I'm talking of the temporay destruction of our economy.

If the world catches a cold we will sneeze. Our fate is at least partially dependent upon the defenses of the rest of the global community. I must admit China seems to have done a great job after they got moving. But would would we want to do what they did? Stop business. Quarantine entire cities. Quarantine the public to remain in their domiciles - even the unaffected? Think of the ramifications. But it seems to be working in China's case.
 
I don't believe it is the black plague but what we are learning is that this is highly contagious virus.

Am not certain about Japan's ordering all schools closed for the month of March. Granted closely schools would decrease the rate of the virus being spread.

It is unknown whether steps as closing schools will be worth it in the long run. They may look back at this in the future and say "That was foolish". Or this virus may just cause a ripple there.

It is too early in research of this particular virus to know for certain.

If COVID-19 is like the other coronaviruses it will be subdued with warmer weather. Viruses such as these spread through respiratory droplets. These droplets stay afloat when the air is cold and dry. When the air is humid and warm they fall to the ground more quickly. In that case Japan's plan would be beneficial.

Mike Pence has been given the job of heading all of this. I have no idea how he will respond to this. Time will tell.
 
We shouldn't be crass about this but worry about the most vulnerable among us.
 
eman623 said:
I'd say buy some surgical masks too, but there's none to be had. I checked and EVERY store is sold out. Same with Amazon.
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But you will find those masks at a 3000% markup by scalpers.
 

This is potentially a huge deal. It means the virus is endemic here in the US.

Especially bad that this was reported at almost the EXACT SAME TIME as Trump was giving his press conference....and it wasn’t even mentioned.

We had a gift- a month or two to fully prepare for this virus. Trump squandered it, like he does everything.
 
Drawdown said:
Time to go to Sam's Club and stock up on chicken tomato soup, bleach, and oodles of noodles.
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I would throw in some gatorade into that mix
 
This virus, if it takes-off, may make a good argument for single-payer (or similar) universal healthcare. Protecting yourself means nothing if the guy sitting next to you on the bus or el isn't getting adequate healthcare.

If lay-offs start occurring during a pandemic due to a failing economy, that loss of healthcare can further fuel the the pandemic.

So if we start seeing lay-offs, the Dem's message for single-payer healthcare might better resonate with those that lose their insurance & can no longer can afford healthcare.
 
The key word is "potential". That's what makes it daunting. Nothing to do but wait & see. But if this continues to grown globally, there's really no way to keep it out. It will simply have to run its course.

(see my post directly above)
 

That (bolded above) is the scary part, one may be a carrier of (able to transmit) the virus without ever showing symptoms.
 

Plan Category The insurance company pays You pay
Bronze 60% 40%

Silver 70% 30%


Gold 80% 20%

Platinum 90% 10%

Most people who are signed up for Obamacare pay a flat rate coinsurance fee for doctor's visits and even urgent care and ER visits depending on which plan they choose.
 
Threegoofs said:
Seems like this might lead to some reflection on how our present administration has failed us.

Bet it won’t though, at least among some people.
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It should make us reflect on affordable universal healthcare. If not for purely humanitarian reasons, then for self-preservation. You're only going to be as healthy as the guy sitting next to you on the bus & el.
 
eman623 said:
I'd say buy some surgical masks too, but there's none to be had. I checked and EVERY store is sold out. Same with Amazon.
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Those masks really wont help against catching the virus so dont bother with them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is the scary part, one may be a carrier of (able to transmit) the virus without ever showing symptoms.
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Therefore my reference to a possible "Typhoid Mary" amongst us. It will all come down to how communicative the disease is. There is/was a spreader out there. We need to see how easy or difficult it is the catch.
 
Chomsky said:
It should make us reflect on affordable universal healthcare. If not for purely humanitarian reasons, then for self-preservation. You're only going to be as healthy as the guy sitting next to you on the bus & el.
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assuming the guy sitting next to us in the bus is non symptomatic. My biggest worry is people panicking and acting selfishly. This is not a political issue, it is a humanitarian one. All the partisan grandstanding matters little if the guy next to us isn't willing to sacrifice a bit of convenience to keep the next fellow healthy. The healthy ones might just be the volunteers others may need to rely on, because some selfish dude had to go out and spread it.
 
eman623 said:
I'd say buy some surgical masks too, but there's none to be had. I checked and EVERY store is sold out. Same with Amazon.
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Like I plan on going outside during the black death.
 
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