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CCW Nut In an SUV

CLAX1911 said:
Well it isn't really about being honest.
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It's hyperbolic stupidity is what it is. I am frankly getting board and tired of this exact same treatment for what is a very cut & dry issue.
 
Oborosen said:
You know that law abiding gun owners make up a demographic of crime that is even less than the rate of the nations police force right?

Picking out one person who does something wrong and saying that it proves everyone shouldn't be afforded the same privilege, is a blatant misrepresentation.

Its along the same lines as saying that because one persons kills another with their car, that no one should be allowed to drive any vehicle whatsoever.
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If there is one thing that the George Zimmermann case shows us, it is that gun nuts will act stupid only because they have a gun.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yeah there's millions of idiots out there that somehow managed not to kill one another sounds like we need more of those kind of people. Not sure why the Op frames them as idiots.
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There are a handful of posters on DP that are nothing but chain pullers and they know who they are.

Their sole reason for posting is to stir people up and create chaos.
 
calamity said:
If there is one thing that the George Zimmermann case shows us, it is that gun nuts will act stupid only because they have a gun.
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Then don't start physically assault said gun owner and you will live to actually press charges or some **** like that.

Still, merely a fraction of such events and he was still found not guilty. So your attempt of painting the defensive use of a gun when someone's life was in mortal danger as a bad thing, has been noted and laughed at once again.
 
Oborosen said:
It's hyperbolic stupidity is what it is. I am frankly getting board and tired of this exact same treatment for what is a very cut & dry issue.
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I would say it's not even that innocence the act of fabled creatures that like to live under bridges. Bridges that Billy Goats tend to cross.
 
Oborosen said:
Then don't start physically assault said gun owner and you will live to actually press charges or some **** like that.

Still, merely a fraction of such events and he was still found not guilty. So your attempt of painting the defensive use of a gun when someone's life was in mortal danger as a bad thing, has been noted and laughed at once again.
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lol...his life was in "mortal danger" only because he was an idiot with a gun who went looking for trouble, harassed an innocent kid and then shot him dead for reasons we still do not know for sure.

He definitely did not use that gun for defensive purposes. He was on the offensive until **** turned against him.
 
calamity said:
lol...his life was in "mortal danger" only because he was an idiot with a gun who went looking for trouble, harassed an innocent kid and then shot him dead for reasons we still do not know for sure.
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Reasons are well known and evidence is well documented.

He definitely did not use that gun for defensive purposes.
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Court of law determined otherwise.

He was on the offensive until **** turned against him.
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Good thing he had a gun.
 
CCW version of self defense.

CCW Person approaches and starts an altercation.
Normal Person defends himself.
CCW Person pulls his gun and “stands his ground”; kills Normal Person

No charges are filed; or like George Z, he walks if he's white and shoots a black guy.

Looking for fights not to retreat from is not self defense. But, of course, you need a ****ing brain to see that.
 
calamity said:
CCW version of self defense.

CCW Person approaches and starts an altercation.
Normal Person defends himself.
CCW Person pulls his gun and “stands his ground”; kills Normal Person

No charges are filed; or like George Z, he walks if he's white and shoots a black guy.

Looking for fights not to retreat from is not self defense. But, of course, you need a ****ing brain to see that.
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To bad for you a court of law proved that this scenario was false.
 
Oborosen said:
Then don't start physically assault said gun owner and you will live to actually press charges or some **** like that.

Still, merely a fraction of such events and he was still found not guilty. So your attempt of painting the defensive use of a gun when someone's life was in mortal danger as a bad thing, has been noted and laughed at once again.
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Or in the case of the kid Zimmerman killed.....don't be walking while black
 
Nap said:
-Marvin Wolfgang
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Their methodology sucked. It is laughable

Both Kleck and Gertz' and Lott's research are highly controversial within the academic community. Hemenway has asserted that Kleck and Gertz' methodology suffers from several biases leading them to overestimate the number of DGU, including telescoping, the social desirability bias, and the possibility that "some gun advocates will lie to help bias estimates upwards."[14] Hemenway contends the Kleck and Gertz study is unreliable and no conclusions can be drawn from it.[8] He argues that there are too many "false positives" in the surveys, and finds the NCVS figures more reliable, yielding estimates of around 100,000 defensive gun uses per year
 
vegas giants said:
Their methodology sucked. It is laughable

Both Kleck and Gertz' and Lott's research are highly controversial within the academic community. Hemenway has asserted that Kleck and Gertz' methodology suffers from several biases leading them to overestimate the number of DGU, including telescoping, the social desirability bias, and the possibility that "some gun advocates will lie to help bias estimates upwards."[14] Hemenway contends the Kleck and Gertz study is unreliable and no conclusions can be drawn from it.[8] He argues that there are too many "false positives" in the surveys, and finds the NCVS figures more reliable, yielding estimates of around 100,000 defensive gun uses per year
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It's not research; it's a joke.
 
Kal'Stang said:
To bad for you a court of law proved that this scenario was false.
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If the dead kid was white and the shooter black, you'd see a completely different outcome. It's not like Central Florida is race-neutral.

My scenario is completely correct. Zimmermann initiated the confrontation and got away with murder.
 
calamity said:
It's not research; it's a joke.
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I know. It is dismissed.


But critics point to the study's "serious methodological difficulties" -- it extrapolates a very rare event, the slightly more than one percent of respondents to a survey that said they had used a gun in self-defense over the past year, to the entire population of 200 million adults. This means that even slight deficiencies in the accuracy of the survey, whether due to false positives or a sample that is not perfectly indicative of the overall population, can lead to large differences in the result. Harvard Injury Control Research Center Director David Hemenway has labeled Kleck's result "an enormous overestimate" and pointed out that the results require one to believe, for instance, that "burglary victims use their guns in self-defense more than 100% of the time."
 
calamity said:
CCW version of self defense.

CCW Person approaches and starts an altercation.
Normal Person defends himself.
CCW Person pulls his gun and “stands his ground”; kills Normal Person
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Normal person sounds like an idiot for not taking tactical advantages.

No charges are filed; or like George Z, he walks if he's white and shoots a black guy.
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Zimmerman was Hispanic.

Looking for fights not to retreat from is not self defense. But, of course, you need a ****ing brain to see that.
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Courts and evidence disagrees with your narrative.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Normal person sounds like an idiot for not taking tactical advantages.

Zimmerman was Hispanic.

Courts and evidence disagrees with your narrative.
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And OJ is innocent. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
I know. It is dismissed.


But critics point to the study's "serious methodological difficulties" -- it extrapolates a very rare event, the slightly more than one percent of respondents to a survey that said they had used a gun in self-defense over the past year, to the entire population of 200 million adults. This means that even slight deficiencies in the accuracy of the survey, whether due to false positives or a sample that is not perfectly indicative of the overall population, can lead to large differences in the result. Harvard Injury Control Research Center Director David Hemenway has labeled Kleck's result "an enormous overestimate" and pointed out that the results require one to believe, for instance, that "burglary victims use their guns in self-defense more than 100% of the time."
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Extrapolating the anomalous responses of the 1 out of a 100 questioned to mean 500,000 to 3,000,000 people fit that anomaly is so clearly flawed that I am actually surprised anyone would try to sell that as "research."
 
CLAX1911 said:
So are you suggesting that there was mishandling of evidence in the Zimmerman case?
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Your contention is he must be innocent because the courts said so. The same must apply to OJ
 
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