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Cartels Dump Seventeen Mutilated Bodies Near U.S. Border

ChrisL said:
And sometimes our government (think Fast and Furious) actually arranges for those purchases. What kind of paradise is that?
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When did that happen? Since when is observing strawman purchasers and attempting to get indictments the same as arranging?
It is not illegal in Arizona to buy a gun and turn around and sell it in the parking lot of the gun store. Like I said it is a Strawmans paradise, anything that sells more guns is OK.
 
iguanaman said:
When did that happen? Since when is observing strawman purchasers and attempting to get indictments the same as arranging?
It is not illegal in Arizona to buy a gun and turn around and sell it in the parking lot of the gun store. Like I said it is a Strawmans paradise, anything that sells more guns is OK.
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I think they forgot about the "getting indictments" part.

Also, Mexican drug cartels get a lot of their weaponry from Gautemala and Colombia as well. If you knew anything about what you're talking about, you would know this. And as someone else said before, most of those weapons are untraceable.
 
ChrisL said:
I think they forgot about the "getting indictments" part.

Also, Mexican drug cartels get a lot of their weaponry from Gautemala and Colombia as well. If you knew anything about what you're talking about, you would know this. And as someone else said before, most of those weapons are untraceable.
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They were turned down by every DA because nothing done was illegal by Arizona law. The irony is that it STILL is that way.
 
iguanaman said:
They were turned down by every DA because nothing done was illegal by Arizona law. The irony is that it STILL is that way.
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That is because they were supposed to FOLLOW the weapons!!! And they didn't, and because of that at least ONE man lost his life. That is our government trying to play games that it's not equipped to play. Either that or the whole thing was just a bogus ploy for cracking down on second amendment rights, because you know they need something that is a BIG deal in order to strip away one of our rights! :roll:
 
An interesting article to say the least.

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth | Stratfor

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In addition to watching tactical developments of the cartel wars on the ground and studying the dynamics of the conflict among the various warring factions, we have also been paying close attention to the ways that both the Mexican and U.S. governments have reacted to these developments. Perhaps one of the most interesting aspects to watch has been the way in which the Mexican government has tried to deflect responsibility for the cartel wars away from itself and onto the United States. According to the Mexican government, the cartel wars are not a result of corruption in Mexico or of economic and societal dynamics that leave many Mexicans marginalized and desperate to find a way to make a living. Instead, the cartel wars are due to the insatiable American appetite for narcotics and the endless stream of guns that flows from the United States into Mexico and that results in Mexican violence.

Interestingly, the part of this argument pertaining to guns has been adopted by many politicians and government officials in the United States in recent years. It has now become quite common to hear U.S. officials confidently assert that 90 percent of the weapons used by the Mexican drug cartels come from the United States. However, a close examination of the dynamics of the cartel wars in Mexico -- and of how the oft-echoed 90 percent number was reached -- clearly demonstrates that the number is more political rhetoric than empirical fact.



Read more: Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth | Stratfor
 
PirateMk1 said:
I am seriously considering putting together some people together, and bringing a proposal to the Mexican border towns to help them clean house. There is some serious money to be made down there.
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Have to consider that Obama has armed the Mexicans with grenades, RPGs and automatic weapons in order to put the Mexican killing machine on Steroids. The only thing Obama didn't give them is aircraft.
 
Which US border? The real one or the one who was moved 50miles back because the US government put up warnings signs that it was no mans land there because of all the cartel violence. You know, those same cartels that Eric Holder armed with 2000 guns.
 
Henry David said:
Cocaine Importing Agency, was the new moniker for the CIA during the Iran Contra.

In fact, rogue elements within the agency have been drug runners for decades. THAT is but one reason why the drug prohibition will never be repealed. It is a very lucrative scam.
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Yes, and it began the crack epidemic in the 1980s. Get people on drugs, then put them in prison. It's truly evil.
 
Evenstar said:
Yes, and it began the crack epidemic in the 1980s. Get people on drugs, then put them in prison. It's truly evil.
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You forgot what is probably the MAIN motivating factor.

"Get people on drugs, then put them in prison, AND MAKE LOADS OF MONEY IN THE PROCESS." :lol:
 
Henry David said:
It won't continue, what we have today.

Drug use WILL continue, will probably go down, but instead of being sold by gun-toting criminals, it will be sold by tax paying pharmacies.

We saw the same thing happen after they repealed liquor prohibition in 1934.
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Oh yeah, and no problems will ever come up. :roll: It'll be one big happy world.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wait a second, you're scolding someone for wanting to "fight violence with violence", then in the same breath suggest military action? Seriously?
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No, no. I mean as a LAST resort, with a cartel we cant use diplomatic negotiations but we should do what we can like to change gun, drug, and immigration policies. Cartels and black markets cant continue, and neither can our ridiculous military budget.
 
Ray410 said:
Have to consider that Obama has armed the Mexicans with grenades, RPGs and automatic weapons in order to put the Mexican killing machine on Steroids. The only thing Obama didn't give them is aircraft.
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True. Then again the Iraqis and the Mudji's got the same things so not much difference.
 
American said:
Oh yeah, and no problems will ever come up. :roll: It'll be one big happy world.
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Never said that.

I understand why some posters attribute ideas and words to others when the other never spoke the words or offered the idea. It's usually because they cannot come up with a legitimate counterpoint.

No, with drug policy and virtually every other public policy issue, Utopia is NOT an option.

We cannot devise a legislative solution to remedy all human behavior. The law cannot bring us a perfect solution, at least in most cases.

Human vices will persist. Most legislative 'remedies' are counterproductive, and that is STRONGLY the case with drug use.
 
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