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John.NoseTip

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Don't complain about the government because you could be inciting rebellion and find yourself jailed without trial.

Free Speech Was Such A Nice Concept


I disagree with the Obama slam on the video because Romney is all for this kind of thing and do we really need to recount Bush's record. In case you haven't figured it out the danger to America isn't the guy without a shirt it's the guys "just doing their job". It would be nice to live in country where this didn't happen and if it did we could bring charges on everyone involved in this kidnapping including the guys "just doing their job".
 
"....claiming he would “kickstart” resistance...." that and a "manifesto of grievences" and a picture of himself holding a gun and looking like he means it? With all the recent shootings, would you rather wait until he really did something? I dunno what to think.
 
Yes. I think people should be free until they actually commit a crime. I don't believe in thought crimes and if you do I hope all your thoughts are government approved.
 
I must admit that this is one of the few times I can agree with the ACLU. However, according to the article, the ACLU appears to be gutless because this situation only causes concern ... and, as yet, has not taken any action.

Yet another Free Speech issue.

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generally, popping off on the internet about starting an armed revolution and killing people = bad idea.
 
Helix said:
generally, popping off on the internet about starting an armed revolution and killing people = bad idea.
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Umm.


He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?
 
John.NoseTip said:
Umm.


He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?
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That's Iran. Who gives a two-oz **** about what people say about other countries?

I agree in spirit; free speech can easily be slowly curtailed when the authorities , and the nature of his detention by the federales seems unfair and probably against some law. Lawyer up, boy-o; he's a white former Marine, I think he'll probably do okay.

But on the other hand, this guy was saying some pretty dumb **** on Facebook. You can frame in nice terms like "pro-liberty" (whatever the hell that is), but they were basically veiled threats of "action" against the government and private banking institutions. I said it before, the real lesson here is not to use Facebook for ANYTHING beyond liking pictures of new babies and telling strangers you're at a burger joint. It amazes me, to this day, how idiotically people use Facebook. It seems to be most peoples undoing. I guarantee if he had arranged a rally or spoke at a town hall in the same manner, he'd be free today.

To summarize;

Police action against individual; dumb and probably illegal.

Individual's actions on Facebook: just a wee bit dumber.

To me, the issue here isn't the speech, it's the medium.
 
John.NoseTip said:
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He also co-sponsored a bill that was declared unconstitutional by a federal judge because it allowed for the jailing of American of Citizens without trial. Where are his handcuffs?
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that equivalence is shaky at best. i find McCain to be far too hawkish to ever be considered for a vote, and i strongly disagree with the trend of legislating around the constitution as a plank in the platform of the WOT. however, the individual in the OP was hinting around at starting an armed revolution in which people would be killed, and he was doing it on a facebook page. what the individual in question was far more likely to do, however, would probably have more closely resembled the current "flip out and shoot people" model. and after he did it, there would be fifty threads on this site asking why no one did anything when they saw the posts. well, someone did something. he was detained, and he didn't kill anyone.

if you want to change things, work to elect a candidate that you agree with, and vote. if you want to go to jail, get on facebook and talk about armed revolution and decapitating people.
 
Here is what this man posted on Facebook that got him detained.
 

Our country was built on the right to rise up and resist. Our constitution protects that. His manifesto of grievences I listed above. Nothing wrong with anything this man said.
 
If he broke a law why didn't they take him to court and charge him? Because the court might not give them the outcome they want. People's easy acceptance that due process is an outdated notion scares me a hell of a lot more than some guy going batsh**. I will agree that anyone who is posting anything that is even close to controversial without the benefit of tor is not the brightest light in the sky but that doesn't make it ok. I guess i should remove "the revolution will not be televised" from my music library because it might fit some profile that is deemed a threat.
 
Running said:
Basically paranoid dribble?
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I will agree that some of his statements don't add up but the idea that our political systems is run by corporations is the truth. If you don't believe it ask yourself why Corzine, Goldman Sachs executives, Wachovia Executives, HSBC executives weren't even prosecuted much less put in jail. My goodness Corzine had 1 billion dollars just disappear and he's not even prosecuted.

How can it be paranoia when the government arrested him for his speech?
 
So wait, this guy is a patriot for taking some libertarian ideas to the ideological extreme, but Ron Paul endorses a watered down version and he's a dangerous nut job? Can't have it both ways.

I'm skeptical of this case. Either the govt. overreacted or we don't have the full picture.
 
I know corporations run this government. There is an excellent book on this and you'd be wise to read it. And I would be wise to remember what the title of the book was. But basically it writes on how corporations are operating and this was back in the 1940s.

EDIT: Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution by Antony C. Sutton
 
muciti said:
Our country was built on the right to rise up and resist. Our constitution protects that. His manifesto of grievences I listed above. Nothing wrong with anything this man said.
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Yeah, his manifesto isn't as bad as I thought it would be.
 
John.NoseTip said:
Yes. I think people should be free until they actually commit a crime. I don't believe in thought crimes and if you do I hope all your thoughts are government approved.
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Well, he did serve in both Iraq and Afganistan and a lot of those boys are coming back with head injuries, mental problems, depression and some are commiting suicide. Soooo, again I dunno,....I'm holding my opinion because like Tessaesque said, I don't think we're getting the whole story here.
 
Something is definitely fishy, what he said does not add up to what they charged him with.

I don't agree or believe some of what he said, but some of it is definitly true and needs to be addressed. A President issuing Executive Orders that are actually contrary to actual law is definitely a bad thing. The fact that he actually gets enough public support to win re-election after doing so is just insane. Hell, I believe we are heading down the path to armed revolution. I am not going to advocate it. I am not going to start it. Nor am I going to lead it. In my current physical condition the most I could do is give verbal support and maybe, just maybe try to defend myself if necessary. But against the Obama regime, sure, I would verbaly support someone elses revolution if they had decent ideas and real fixes for the problems. If they are just angry because **** don't work anymore, I wouldn't be interested in them. I want solutions, not "I'm madder than hell and ain't going to take anymore" crap.

Most of these guys are just nuts though. They have absolutely no clue on how to go about even doing what they claim they are trying to do. You don't go around killing politicians, you might end up with one even worse (Biden) or the same people that elected them will just elect someone else from the same side probably who will just continue down the same path. If some idiot killed Obama today, they would hand the November election to Biden or Clinton or whoever else the Dems put up, look at Johnson after the Kennedy assissination. The "right" and Libertarians sure as hell would not benefit from it. Assassination historical only works in very, very rare conditions and really shouldn't be persued. Blowing up Federal buildings is also just plain stupid. How many of those workers are actually supports of the politics you hate? Not to mention that like we found out after the OKC bombing, the government puts daycare centers in buildings that may be targeted and dead children are always going to silence any support for what ever belief you did it for.

No, for now, although we are building towards revolution, it is not time. There are no leaders offering up workable methods and solutions. Would I support and do I support (verbally of course) Texas seperating, especially if Obama wins again, sure, but that is not the same as revolution. Texas seperating only becomes an Armed Conflict if the US pushes things, Texas won't initiate any actual attacks. Why would/do I support the idea of seperation for Texas, simple, the stresses leading towards revolution are building, allowing a path for the peaceful seperation of the two sides would greatly reduce those pressures. Let each side have their section of the country, let those who believe in one path or the other move to the section they support and allow each to peacefully persue their own way.
 
Thank goodness there are still some judges that haven't sold out. A guy gets jailed without cause or a judicial process and he's the crazy one. Maybe just maybe the crazy ones are the people who don't believe what is right in front of them

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The real question is can he bring charges against the people who arrested him and their bosses. Isn't kidnapping a crime? Hell at least I'm willing to let them be judged by a jury which is a hell of a lot more than they were willing to do
 
muciti said:
Here is what this man posted on Facebook that got him detained.
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You don't know that this is why he was detained. You shouldn't assume you have all the details.
 

The question for me is how did they find this information?

Spoiler alert: Trapwire
 
Does anyone believe that some agent was surfing Facebook and found this guy?

Does it not bother any of you that the government is data mining Facebook to monitor "suspicious activity"?
 
John.NoseTip said:
If he broke a law why didn't they take him to court and charge him?
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Haven't been locked up before, have you? I can't remember any time I went straight to a judge after being arrested. Matter of fact, I always just got a court date upon being released from police custody. Then there was county. Must have been a month before I saw a judge in that **** hole. Maybe two months, I don't know. Time doesn't pass the same in a cinder block box with no windows and a steel door.
 
pimptight said:
Does anyone believe that some agent was surfing Facebook and found this guy?

Does it not bother any of you that the government is data mining Facebook to monitor "suspicious activity"?
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After all the **** that's been going on? Not one bit. It's public domain the instant it's posted, so watch what you say. However, I highly doubt he was detained solely for what he said on facebook.
 
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