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Capitalism is an unbuilt trope

The enemy of capitalism is not communism. the enemy of capitalism is laissesz faire capitalism.

Smith hanged his entire theory upon the invisible hand. An idea that works only if it is applied to the type of small local business that existed in his time. But in todays world we now have multinational corporates that care not one wit about an invisible hand.
 
As for Adam Smith, most of his modern day acolytes dont really understand Smith’s whole writings as he advocated a lot of things that republicans find distasteful like a progressive tax system, against monopolization, and the labor theory of value.
Milton Friedman turned into Adam Smith into a propaganda icon. Wealth of Nations has been in Project Gutenberg since 2001. Search it for "and account".

You will find multiple instances of "read, write and account".

When have any advocates of capitalism ever proposed mandatory accounting in the schools?
 
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God is a capitalist. God made the Earth. Gold is part of Earth. God made gold. God is a capitalist.
 
What Smith was trying to say was that through people acting in their self interests, society can have its needs met without any central planner.
That's because central planners weren't needed during the more than 1.8 Million years of hominid existence.

The Wealth of Nations was not just about describing capitalism, it was about defining how we should think of wealth in the first place. Mercantilism was the dominant economic ideology, predicated on nations accumulating wealth. This entailed maximizing domestic production, minimizing trade deficits, and hoarding gold. Smith was trying to point out that this viewpoint doesn't really make sense. It seems obvious to us now that there's little point in every country hoarding wealth if nobody is left better off but that was how things were done back then. Smith proposed an economic system centered around individuals accumulating wealth as that's the ultimate point of an economy.

You couldn't be more wrong.

If I can ever develop an anti-anachronism pill, you'll be the first person I write a prescription for it.

Western Europe (and practically the whole world) was ruled by despotic monarchs who claimed their god-thing gave them the right to rule and if you don't like it you can be tortured to death.

All people had two functions in life: enrich the popes and enrich the despotic monarchs. After the Reformation, nothing fundamental changed. Everyone was still enriching despotic monarchs, and those that weren't enriching popes were enriching others in exchange for "salvation."

A despot's worst nightmare, even worse than death, is a powerful Middle Class. At least for English-speaking peoples, it's been a long journey since the Magna Carta slowly eroding the powers of those despotic monarchs who claimed to rule by divine right.

The Middle Class clamors for rights. They don't wanna live in a sod hut or a chicken shack. They wanna live in a house like the nobles who also claimed to be so by divine right and the landed gentry who lucked out into their estates. They want a property deed for their land that will be recognized, honored, and enforced. If they enter into a land-contract or mortgage to purchase land, they want the contract to be fair and be enforced. If they purchase or acquire Capital to produce or manufacture goods, they want it recognized and enforced that Capital is theirs and not the despotic monarch's. They want to be taxed fairly and they want other freedoms as well.

The effect of the demands by the Middle Class is more or less to remove the despotic monarchs from the equation.

That's why Smith and Ricardo, and also John Stuart Mill and even Malthus championed Capitalist Property Theory, which you have obviously erroneously conflated with the Free Market Economic System.

The Free Market System works best with Capitalist Property Theory. It is only marginally effective with Socialist Property Theory. Communist Property Theory has never been in use at the State level, but Communist Property Theory and the Free Market System are not mutually exclusive and the fact that no one has ever attempted it does not make it mutually exclusive.

The Command Market System has always used Socialist Property Theory, but the Command Market System and Capitalist Property Theory are not mutually exclusive, either. As a point of fact, there's a group in the US that wants exactly that. I believe you call them "Neo-Cons" and seeing how you confuse property theories with economic systems, you probably don't understand Neo-Cons are Left-Wing, not Right-Wing.
 
As such Smith and Ricardo were pro free trade with the latter inventing the law of comparative advantage.

That's because trade deficits don't matter.

Stupid people read what stupid people wrote or said in a Useless Tube video and then whine incessantly over trade deficits because they don't understand basic 4th Grade Math.

Two things the stupid don't understand:

1) the Dollar value of imports in no way, shape, or form indicates the quantity of imported goods (or services); and
2) $1 of imports generates $3-$18 of GDP depending on the type of good imported.

People put on sack-cloth, smear themselves with ashes and pull their hair out because the trade deficit for June 2023 was $65.5 Billion.

What they don't understand is that $65.5 Billion generated $196.5 Billion to $1.18 TRILLION in GDP. Eliminate the trade deficit and your GDP is $196.5 Billion to $1.18 TRILLION less.

Most of those whiners weren't alive in the 1970s, so they have no idea what life was like. If you're driving from Cincinnati to Bradenton/Sarasota, Florida, that is a 2-day trip whether you want it to be or not. Why? No such thing as 24-hour gas stations, so you'd best be in your roach-coach motel by 8:00 PM lest you run out of gas and get stranded on I-75 until morning when the gas stations open up.

So, why do you have 24-hour gas stations? Because you off-shored jobs (at that time to Taiwan) to free up labor so's you could have the labor to keep gas stations open 24-hours.

You can have Americans running a Nissei plastic-molding injection machine making plastic spoons, or you can off-shore those jobs and use that labor to manufacture high-tech goods that would pay a helluva lot more, plus you get more high-tech goods.

That's the other thing the clueless don't get.
 
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Another is the the nature of the market for land. You see, the amount of land is fixed. Even John Locke who invented the labor theory of property added that it only holds true as long as there's land left to claim.

Smith was specifically referring to the nobility but it's not hard to see how this could apply to land speculators today.

Except it doesn't apply to land speculators.

The difference between the nobility and land speculators is the nobility never sold their land (excepting in an instance where they were desperately hard up for cash.

You're just another who doesn't understand the meaning of rents.

In a manner most anachronistic, you don't understand that land at that time was Capital because even though Britain was in the 2nd Industrial Age, Britain like all Western European countries was still largely an agrarian economy.

90% of the population worked in agriculture just like 90% of the US population worked in agriculture and that was true up until the 1930s.

I'm guessing you didn't know that FDR's fantastic federal minimum wage exempted agricultural workers so at the time, only about 700,000 workers were covered, which means they were eligible to be paid the minimum wage if their job did not already pay in excess of the minimum wage.

It wasn't until 1964 that agricultural workers were entitled by law to be paid the federal minimum wage but by that time, only about 30% of the work-force worked in agriculture.

What changed? Technology. Now you have tractors, and with economy of scale the price of tractors came down and more farmers could buy them and technology provided for many new farming implements which meant a farmer could get buy with a dozen farm hands to help him work his 40-acre farm instead of needing 3 dozen farm hands.

The people in Britain, France, the Italian city-States and the German city-States and principalities had no land because the god-things said only the nobles could have it so they had to rent land so's they could have a job, and that job was farming.

Using land to produce something and having land just sit on it and not produce anything are not the same thing.

Your anachronism further show your lack of understanding. Marx and the Socialists were in Europe. Why weren't they in the US?

In Europe, nearly all the land and especially the best land was already owned by nobles because a god-thing said so. That means land is very finite

On the other hand, the US Constitution prohibited titles, so there weren't any nobles owning gigantic freaking tracts of land, and land was viewed as infinite. Oklahoma didn't even become a State until 1905. In 1880, Washington, Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming et all were territories, not States and they were very, very sparsely populated. Even those that were States like Oregon, Arizona, California, and others were sparsely populated. There was far more land than there were people. You could give every US household 400 acres and there'd still be extra land available.

Smith proposed a tax on the value of land which would be similar to a property tax except it would only tax the value of the land itself rather than the improvements on top of it. This would be the ideal tax because it would not take a cut of labor or capital, incurring no deadweight loss.

And Smith, Ricardo, and Malthus were right and there is a very, very good reason why.

Remember, the sole context is land used in the means of production, and that land would naturally rise in value to reach a point where profits needed for capital investment and the renter's wages would decrease resulting in a stagnant economy and higher unemployment because the price of rents would drown out investments.

The solution proposed by Marx and the Socialists was to nationalize all land under ownership of the State. Smith et al were opposed to that because land ownership is the bastion of freedom and hallmark of private property.

That's why they suggested it be taxed, so why isn't it?

A guy named Clark was bank-rolled by corporations and a handful of wealthy people to come up with a reason not to tax land, and your Congress bought it, and 3 decades later, some people used Clark's theories to develop the Keynesian Economic Model.

Of note, a guy named Thomas Picketty waved a magic wand and claimed there's a huge disparity in wealth. If you remove land from the equation, whatever, um, you know, "wealth gap" exists evaporates. Wealth has actually declined dramatically for about 2 decades and for the last decade it is still declining but at a much slower rate.
 
God is a capitalist. God made the Earth. Gold is part of Earth. God made gold. God is a capitalist.
God made coal too. When did God tell humans what to do with it?
 
When Adam Smith wrote Wealth of Nations 50% of Brits were illiterate. But he used the phrase, "read, write, and account" five times in WoN. So it is curious that the various advocates of economic ideologies do not propose mandatory accounting in the schools.

The people who brag about capitalism are taking the credit for what was accomplished by technology. When Karl Marx died the second industrial revolution was just getting started. By the 1920s technology had made productivity so high that planned obsolescence started. So we are applying obsolete economic thinking to modern technology and ignoring the depreciation of all of the consumer trash that is manufactured.

http://www.toxicdrums.com/economic-wargames-by-dal-timgar.html

Your argument assumes that the industrial revolution happened in a vacuum, independent of economic influence. This is not the case.

More importantly, given the equal access to technology across the major competing economic systems, capitalism built better, distributed better, and resulted in a better standard of living across the board.
 
As a liberal, I support capitalism. I just feel it doesn't work as well in certain areas. Education and health care are a couple examples.

Health Care can be more evenly distributed by a government bureaucracy, I'm not convinced it provides better care, though. I find the notion that the US could cut it's medical expenditures in half and get better care to be a bit of a fantasy, which is essentially how socialized medicine is sold to the population.

Moreover, the US already is by far the world leader in public health care expenditure per-Capita. In public spending alone we spend 53% more per capita than the country in second place, Germany. It would seem to me, if the US health care system is underperforming, that the issue in the US is not private health insurance, but our public healthcare management.

With regard to education, the value of government run schooling is entirely dependent on what public schools are teaching. It would be hard to argue that kids in cities like Baltimore get anything out of their public education, many schools graduating zero children with basic competency in math and English. Our public school teachers unions and leadership will always blame performance on lack of funding, but the US public school students underperform on the world stage against a long list of countries that ALL spend less on education than does the US.

Giving parents the access to private schooling for their children rather than a public school that is failing their child, should always be an option. In Baltimore and DC, my local examples, it is pretty much impossible for private schools to do worse than the public schools.

The issues with funding, insofar as budget is ever the problem, is that school administrative bloat is consuming school budgets. Every year their is a new social concern dreamed up by the school boards and teachers unions, and every year their is a new office spun up with new administrators with 6 figure salaries to solve the imaginary issues. If you want to pay the teachers more that's great, start by eliminating 50% of the utterly useless admin staff. There is incentive if a for profit school to eliminate useless administrative positions, that kind of fiscally responsible behavior doesn't exist in Government where the primary sin of ALL government organizations is NOT spending 100% of your budget.
 
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Your argument assumes that the industrial revolution happened in a vacuum, independent of economic influence. This is not the case.

More importantly, given the equal access to technology across the major competing economic systems, capitalism built better, distributed better, and resulted in a better standard of living across the board.
What is "economic influence"?

Did technology create capitalism or did capitalism create technology? Money cannot create intelligence but technology can create more possibilities for making money.

Planned obsolescence has created lots more possibilities since WWII. Then economists say nothing about the depreciation of all of the garbage.
 
What is "economic influence"?

The influence of free markets that drive innovation through competition.

Did technology create capitalism or did capitalism create technology? Money cannot create intelligence but technology can create more possibilities for making money.

Capitalism and the innovation that comes from its inherent competition drives technology.

Planned obsolescence has created lots more possibilities since WWII. Then economists say nothing about the depreciation of all of the garbage.

Planned obsolescence is largely a capitalist concept where technological innovation drives the market. There is no need for technological innovation in a communist of socialist economy except in those areas where state prestige of necessity force innovation, for example in military hardware where the communist state is forced to compete with external, usually capitalist, forces.. and even then they tend to steal most of their tech and lag behind.
 
Dang.. not enough coffee... way to many of/or typos. :cautious:
 
Planned obsolescence is largely a capitalist concept where technological innovation drives the market.
Where in the world did you get that from?


I worked for IBM after I lost interest in fixing stereo equipment. What you are saying sounds like it is from someone who does not understand technology with delusions about economics.
 
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The enemy of capitalism is not communism. the enemy of capitalism is laissesz faire capitalism.

Smith hanged his entire theory upon the invisible hand. An idea that works only if it is applied to the type of small local business that existed in his time. But in todays world we now have multinational corporates that care not one wit about an invisible hand.
Aaaah, hate the task of answering somebody baiting me but I will

Biden the Traitorous Fool is
Subsicdizing the production of EVs
Subsidizing the buying of EVs
Legislating non-EVs out of production.

Where is that in anything you described?
 
For those who like to criticize capitalist based governments/economies, I have just one request...

Name a system that is more successful, that benefits more people in a society while at the same time oppressing fewer?

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Unregulated capitalism is like a game of Monopoly: fewer and fewer people end up with more and more of the wealth, and everyone else eventually loses. That's fine for family game night where we all have to go to bed eventually. But if you're interested in a game of "sustainable civil society", capitalism is going to require a lot of regulations and safeguards. It doesn't just work out for the best if just left free and alone. There is a lot to criticize about pure capitalism. In fact, there have been no pure capitalist countries anywhere in the world, at any time in history. It's not because it works so well. The closest anyone came to that was the Gilded Age, where you had increasing exploitation of child labor, the rise of monopolies, "robber barons", etc...

Hybrid economies have proven to be a far more successful approach. All modern developed economies have highly regulated capitalism with complex systems of social safety nets. There are still lots of ways which capitalism can be improved.

 
For those who like to criticize capitalist based governments/economies, I have just one request...

Name a system that is more successful, that benefits more people in a society while at the same time oppressing fewer?

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Capitalism works fairly well when it is sufficiently constrained by laws and regulations.

If it has too much freedom to operate, it starts causing harm.
 
One catch is that the one's tasked with regulating it are also funded by tax revenues from the ones being regulated.
 
Aaaah, hate the task of answering somebody baiting me but I will

Biden the Traitorous Fool is
Subsicdizing the production of EVs
Subsidizing the buying of EVs
Legislating non-EVs out of production.

Where is that in anything you described?
As much as I hate having to answer someone who pretends an answer is baiting simply because they have no real reply to my statement.

Pointing out that biden is as big a fool as any amereican politician does not mean welfare systems do not work. It just means that americans are not that bright when it comes to electing politicians.
 
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