Can't understand why those over 60 continue to vote for the GOP and Trump.

[independentusa]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

 

[Crovax]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

52% to 45% not exactly overwhelming

 

[Fenton]

:roll:

Stupidity is continuing to defend a imploding healthcare law just because you supported the President that signed it into existence

Stupidity is defending a law that by design strips more and more discretionary income away from the Middle Class, from consumers no less in a consumer driven economy.

Premiums are going up AGAIN by as much as 32 percent next year and deductibles are going up too so its not just stupid, its cruel to continue to defend the ACA.

But thats not stopping Democrats and their supporters from defending a law thats made Health insurance LESS affordable and Healthcare harder to access

Party before Country and people I guess

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

In the U.S. there's basically a culture war between social conservatives who are outraged that gays can marry and liberals who believe that the Constitution applies to everyone regardless of race, sex or sexual orientation. This war has been going on since the 60's Civil Rights struggle. That's when the South started shifting away from Democrats and their progressive agenda.

Of course old people like things the way they used to be and young people want to see a more open tolerant society.

In the end liberals always win. Conservatives have retreated on almost every front. Sometimes you'll see a resurgence of backward thinking but in the long run ideals like freedom, equality and fairness always win.

I'll give you an example. In Alabama about 86% of the people there voted to ban gay marriage. And this is why Alabama is a deeply conservative state. Keep in mind that the kind of mind that is intolerant to gays tends to be intolerant of other minority groups also.

 

[UtahBill]

We didn't vote for Strump, already have best health care coverage there is, retired military (Tricare) with medicare and 100% disability through VA (Parkinson's) with a nice compensation package.
Sure sucks to be a retired civilian.

 

[holbritter]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

They are from a generation where most of their money is taken for social services. For the most part, they have worked hard, and worked their way up without relying on the government.
Now my grandmother's generation! I admire that generations tenacity, living through the depression, with so much less bitching and moaning about how unfair life is that's done today.

 

[MaggieD]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

Well, first I’ll say that those in that age group who voted for anyone because they were worried about their SS are uninformed and have listened to the scare mongers who caution them. Yep, SS may be changed, but not for them. No way. No how. Any changes that might be made would be phased in gradually. So THAT reason is a ridiculous one.

The majority of people over 60 were raised differently than their own kids today. THEIR parents were often depression babies who taught them things like the importance of saving, making do and self-reliance. Those are Republican values. Not so much Democratic ones, in my opinion. THEY, the 60+ group, otoh, often raised their kids to have a sense of entitlement... to give their kids all the things they find did without. And now they’ve ended up with kids in their late 20’s living in their basement. Too late to see the error of their ways.

The 60+ age group also isn’t so apt to have been influenced by the liberal professors we have today. Many more of them than today didn’t even ATTEND college. And I think the instructor pool has become very very liberal over time.

That’s just a few reasons I can think of...

 

[Rexedgar]

Maybe, they (65+) thought that the outcome was pre determined (they weren’t alone), and used the vote as a protest because voting for HRC was not a viable option?

 

[trblmkr]

The majority of people over 60 were raised differently than their own kids today. THEIR parents were often depression babies who taught them things like the importance of saving, making do and self-reliance.

I think we could call those American values.

 

[LowDown]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

Issues important to Trump supporters are jobs and the economy, illegal immigration, bringing American industry back to this country, reasserting traditional values, etc.

I suppose if Medicare and Social Security were the only things older people cared about then they might vote differently. But they are not. This is a mistake progressives continue to make -- to see voters only as people with financial interests and nothing else.

 

[MaggieD]

The majority of people over 60 were raised differently than their own kids today. THEIR parents were often depression babies who taught them things like the importance of saving, making do and self-reliance.

I think we could call those American values.

I agree, but that’s not necessarily what we’ve got goin’ on.

 

[YorkshirePete]

:roll:

Stupidity is continuing to defend a imploding healthcare law just because you supported the President that signed it into existence

Stupidity is defending a law that by design strips more and more discretionary income away from the Middle Class, from consumers no less in a consumer driven economy.

Premiums are going up AGAIN by as much as 32 percent next year and deductibles are going up too so its not just stupid, its cruel to continue to defend the ACA.

But thats not stopping Democrats and their supporters from defending a law thats made Health insurance LESS affordable and Healthcare harder to access

Party before Country and people I guess

Depends on your made up mind.
My daughter says best thing that happened to her and her employees.
Wait until the insurance boys turn you down for your brain cancer treatments

 

[YorkshirePete]

Issues important to Trump supporters are jobs and the economy, illegal immigration, bringing American industry back to this country, reasserting traditional values, etc.

I suppose if Medicare and Social Security were the only things older people cared about then they might vote differently. But they are not. This is a mistake progressives continue to make -- to see voters only as people with financial interests and nothing else.

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpette said.
What % of trumpettes are white?
99%?
I'm still looking for a brown guy in his Nazi rallies

 

[MaggieD]

Depends on your made up mind.
My daughter says best thing that happened to her and her employees.
Wait until the insurance boys turn you down for your brain cancer treatments

Well, that’s just disgusting and far from truth.

 

[YorkshirePete]

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpette said.
What % of trumpettes are white?
99%?
I'm still looking for a brown guy in his Nazi rallies

They just mouth these platitudes.
These 65 yr olds are not working, dreaming of the past which will never come back.
Many grew up post WWII when we had 50% of the world production.
It's different now folks
Wonder if they know we are 70th in the world in taking in immigrants as a % of population?
Doubt it, easier to blindly repeat knees news and rush

 

[AlbqOwl]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

I am of the age group that is usually considered 'elderly' by the younger set here--I don't feel elderly--but I am on Medicare. And we can support Trump because we recall what healthcare delivery was like when it was all still mostly private and how the ravages of government enforced healthcare, most recently Obamacare, have changed it much for the worse. We know it can be done better and we would like to leave our own legacy for future generations by scrapping the bad stuff and promoting the good stuff.

The permanent political class in Washington has done nothing but continue to make it worse. Even what has worked they tinker with until it doesn't. Trump offers a better vision. That's why he gets our vote.

 

[YorkshirePete]

:roll:

Stupidity is continuing to defend a imploding healthcare law just because you supported the President that signed it into existence

Stupidity is defending a law that by design strips more and more discretionary income away from the Middle Class, from consumers no less in a consumer driven economy.

Premiums are going up AGAIN by as much as 32 percent next year and deductibles are going up too so its not just stupid, its cruel to continue to defend the ACA.

But thats not stopping Democrats and their supporters from defending a law thats made Health insurance LESS affordable and Healthcare harder to access

Party before Country and people I guess

I remember before , my work premiums went up 25 % a year
Don't forget don the con is doing everything he can to cripple it

 

[Rosie1]

Saving, making do and self-reliance aren't more of a republican thing. They are old time american traits and attributes from world war generations passing to the boomers. I just think Trump voters drank the snake oil. And the republican party stood there and watched Trump be nominated. Time will tell. I think he's doing much damage and would like to do more.

 

[Rexedgar]

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpette said.
What % of trumpettes are white?
99%?
I'm still looking for a brown guy in his Nazi rallies

This guy fit the bill?


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[LowDown]

Keep the gov out of my Medicare as the trumpette said.
What % of trumpettes are white?
99%?
I'm still looking for a brown guy in his Nazi rallies

You must have defective eyesight. Plenty of black and brown people show up to Trump's rally even if only to protest.

You don't seem to know what a Nazi is, either.

 

[Rosie1]

Maybe the dude was paid to be there. While we are at it, possibly the two women to the right of him also. The woman with the red lipstick looks kind of like a tweeker. Hmm..

 

[haymarket]

You must have defective eyesight. Plenty of black and brown people show up to Trump's rally even if only to protest.

You don't seem to know what a Nazi is, either.

Its is usually easy to spot them because they normally place them behind Trump on stage.

 

[trblmkr]

I agree, but that’s not necessarily what we’ve got goin’ on.

You got that right.

 

[LowDown]

In the U.S. there's basically a culture war between social conservatives who are outraged that gays can marry and liberals who believe that the Constitution applies to everyone regardless of race, sex or sexual orientation. This war has been going on since the 60's Civil Rights struggle. That's when the South started shifting away from Democrats and their progressive agenda.

Of course old people like things the way they used to be and young people want to see a more open tolerant society.

In the end liberals always win. Conservatives have retreated on almost every front. Sometimes you'll see a resurgence of backward thinking but in the long run ideals like freedom, equality and fairness always win.

I'll give you an example. In Alabama about 86% of the people there voted to ban gay marriage. And this is why Alabama is a deeply conservative state. Keep in mind that the kind of mind that is intolerant to gays tends to be intolerant of other minority groups also.

No, it's not true that liberals always win. There have been significant defeats and rollbacks of their policies. Examples include welfare reform, the reversal of most of the New Deal, defeats of public sector unions, the death of the idea that the 2nd Amendment is not an individual right. More recently, the 2016 election was a wholesale rejection of Obama's policies, which are in the process of being almost completely reversed. From the Iranian arms deal to Title IX distortion, it was all constructed from executive orders and is being reversed in the same way.

As for deviants in the bathrooms, deviants with their pronouns, and deviant marriage, widespread acceptance won't be realized.

 

[WCH]

I have heard that the overwhelming majority of those over 65 voted for Trump and the GOP , what I don't understand is why. It seems like everything that either Trump or the GOP does runs against the interests of that age group. When I talk to anyone that age, of which I am one, they all say the same, Trump has promised he won't touch Medicare or Social Security. I wonder how they can believe him. He said he wouldn't touch Medicaid and he and the GO tried to get the congress to cut billions out of the program. Ryan in the House has proposed making Medicare a voucher system and that would eventually put millions of poor older Americans off of the Medicare program. The GOP says that the Social Security system is an entitlement program and needs to be cut. With Trump needing a big win with congress, do you think he would veto any of that when it comes his desk. I don't think so. And today he is signing an executive order which will eventually push heath insurance cost up for the sick and the elderly. So I have no idea other than stupidity why those people vote for the GOP and Trump.

The Left has been saying the GOP will take away old people's SS, MC, pensions for many an election cycle. We're sick of the boy crying wolf.