Canada preparing for future trade negotiations with the U.S.? (1 Viewer)

[Taylor]

I wish your thoughts went deeper.

...says the person who does nothing but drive-by attacks on other posters.

 

[Taylor]

Is that what you think this is about? It's not. It's about a realization that we have allowed ourselves to become too entertwind with the US in terms of our economy and our security. Trump is nothing more than a wakeup call....and we have woken up.

Which is good for Canada and good for the US.

 

[reflechissez]

...says the person who does nothing but drive-by attacks on other posters.

It's hard to match the rigor and depth of your posts.

 

[OlNate]

Which is good for Canada and good for the US.

Do you think this is better for the states than our previously enjoyed relationship based on trust and friendship?

I dunno, man, you guys gave up one of the greatest trade relationships the world has ever seen (because it was based on trust and friendship), for what? No matter how polite we are to you going forward, no matter how much we smile, or our PM smiles, that's over, it can't help but be over based on how Trump shat on that relationship. What's the upside for America in the new reality of Canada no longer viewing you guys the way we once did, and is diversifying globally to address the liability you have become?

 

[Taylor]

It's hard to match the rigor and depth of your posts.

You could at least try.

 

[CaughtInThe]

It's not even hard to trick MAGA.

Hell, my kids could do it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I dunno, man, you guys gave up one of the greatest trade relationships the world has ever seen (because it was based on trust and friendship), for what? No matter how polite we are to you going forward, no matter how much we smile, or our PM smiles, that's over, it can't help but be over based on how Trump shat on that relationship. What's the upside for America in the new reality of Canada no longer viewing you guys the way we once did, and is diversifying globally to address the liability you have become?

This

But that's what the Trump mafia wanted to do.

 

[Taylor]

Do you think this is better for the states than our previously enjoyed relationship based on trust and friendship?

I think the trust and friendship will come back. People tend to like each other no matter what country they come from. The anger we're seeing now has a lot to do with Canadians not liking feeling so vulnerable. With a stronger Canada, there is less vulnerability and less anger. More "Canadian Self Efficacy" if you will.

I dunno, man, you guys gave up one of the greatest trade relationships the world has ever seen (because it was based on trust and friendship), for what?

The trade relationship was based on proximity and cultural similarities. We have lots of "trust and friendship" relationships that don't develop into large trade relationships. There will still be a large trade relationship given those two factors.

No matter how polite we are to you going forward, no matter how much we smile, or our PM smiles, that's over, it can't help but be over based on how Trump shat on that relationship. What's the upside for America in the new reality of Canada no longer viewing you guys the way we once did, and is diversifying globally to address the liability you have become?

Sounds like a stronger Canada to me. Canada will still be an ally, and a stronger one to boot. Surely with the level of resources you have there's a lot of potential there waiting to be realized.

 

[CANON]

Can you discuss what those successes are?

I don’t believe anyone could argue that tRump has not been successful in implementing policies that MAGA is all about.

tRump is getting a free-to-him jet. a new tRump tower, unconstrained power that he gets to wield against whomever he chooses. Shit, he has people celebrating a 30% tariff that is going to offset taxes for the richest of the rich. He’s advocated for America alone and it certainly appears it’s well on the way.

While I’m sure many Americans understand how batshit crazy it all is, tRump has been successful in doing what he said he would - so give credit where it’s due.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I don’t believe anyone could argue that tRump has not been successful in implementing policies that MAGA is all about.

I suppose that depends on how one is measuring success. If the criteria is writing scores of executive orders, then sure. If the goal is to measure the success of those executive orders, that's another thing and it's too early to tell since some are currently under legal challenge.

tRump is getting a free-to-him jet. a new tRump tower, unconstrained power that he gets to wield against whomever he chooses. Shit, he has people celebrating a 30% tariff that is going to offset taxes for the richest of the rich. He’s advocated for America alone and it certainly appears it’s well on the way.

While I’m sure many Americans understand how batshit crazy it all is, tRump has been successful in doing what he said he would - so give credit where it’s due.

Again, I tend to view success not just implementation, but the results as well.

 

[CANON]

Sounds like a stronger Canada to me. Canada will still be an ally, and a stronger one to boot. Surely with the level of resources you have there's a lot of potential there waiting to be realized.

Lol, I can promise you Canada is not going to be a stronger ally to the US after this.

 

[OlNate]

I think the trust and friendship will come back. People tend to like each other no matter what country they come from. The anger we're seeing now has a lot to do with Canadians not liking feeling so vulnerable. With a stronger Canada, there is less vulnerability and less anger. More "Canadian Self Efficacy" if you will.

No, the anger you're seeing is due to our greatest friend and ally picking a fight with us over nothing, to where real people are experiencing a real impact.

We have always been vulnerable. We understand that. It's why we pick our friends carefully and do our best to nurture those relationships. It's also why we don't go stomping around the world causing problems.

Canada's strength has never been in question. We have formed strategic alliances, shown up when called, and, frankly, decided ourselves what our priorities would be. As every country should.

The trade relationship was based on proximity and cultural similarities. We have lots of "trust and friendship" relationships that don't develop into large trade relationships. There will still be a large trade relationship given those two factors.

To suggest our relationship wasn't unique is to overlook a lot of things that go well beyond trade, bud.

You seem to be thinking at the country level. The fact is that the kinship enjoyed was at the people level. It truly was a beautiful thing.

Now Canadians have to wonder if the American standing across from them is from the half that never wanted to do us dirty, or if they are from the half that begged for it. It's a whole new world, and one we wouldn't have dreamed of as recently as 2024.

Sounds like a stronger Canada to me. Canada will still be an ally, and a stronger one to boot. Surely with the level of resources you have there's a lot of potential there waiting to be realized.

I wouldn't say a "stronger" Canada. Canada is one of the strongest nations in the world and it alway has been. I mean, look at where we live, we have to be, for so many different reasons, not the least of which is having to live next door to you guys, while having no way to militarily defend the vast supply of surplus resources that makes us attractive as a "51st state". I guess it all depends on your definition of "strength".

It doesn't even make us wiser, as this relationship has been so solid as to be above reproach for decades.

Sadly, the only way that we could be seen as being strong is in the context of America being a villain. A betrayer. An extortionist.

Again, for possibly the seven millionth time, I'm left wondering what the upside is for America in all of this.

 

[Taylor]

Lol, I can promise you Canada is not going to be a stronger ally to the US after this.

But they will be stronger. And an ally.

 

[Brusan]

But they will be stronger. And an ally.

Which is what you also call those guys way over there in the mid-east whose royal family supported the 9/11 terrorists while they were spending cash taking flying lessons.

A shame you cannot see the difference between some "financial arrangement" and an actual "kinship" fealty.

 

[reflechissez]

You could at least try.

Why? Your stuff is far superior to any other poster.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Perhaps Carney will have better results than the arrogant narcissist Trudeau.

The Biden administration wasn't exactly in love with Trudeau either.

Carney has a China problem that is just as serious as the current tariffs.

 

[Callen]

Carney has a China problem that is just as serious as the current tariffs.

What China problem is that?

 

[Taylor]

Which is what you also call those guys way over there in the mid-east whose royal family supported the 9/11 terrorists while they were spending cash taking flying lessons.

I'll leave the conspiracy theories to you. No relevance anyway.

A shame you cannot see the difference between some "financial arrangement" and an actual "kinship" fealty.

Fealty is what you had, yes. Hence the "51st state" rhetoric. I think Canadians are upset that it was laid bare as I said earlier. Why do you think Canada is better off showing fealty to us rather than being a strong, independent nation? You desire to be under our thumb?

 

[Taylor]

*Crickets*

 

[OlNate]

*Crickets*

Probably because the premise you present is not based in reality.

There was never "fealty". I find it weird that you would attempt to frame it as such. It demonstrates a poor grasp of history, which is a little surprising coming from you.

 

[Taylor]

There was never "fealty". I find it weird that you would attempt to frame it as such. It demonstrates a poor grasp of history, which is a little surprising coming from you.

His words, not mine. I was surprised as well.

 

[Brusan]

Probably because the premise you present is not based in reality.

There was never "fealty". I find it weird that you would attempt to frame it as such. It demonstrates a poor grasp of history, which is a little surprising coming from you.

Gotta give him that one Nate. I intended to imply/post :

fidelity​

noun as in faithfulness in a relationship. Upon reviewing my post I can only conclude I screwed the pooch on one or more of the letters and the dang auto correct went with "fealty" instead of fidelity.