Can you identify what's wrong with this black history course?

[j brown's body]

Mass production of crying little white boys. It's still in the developmental stage.

If I'm gonna dwell on that, I'll put on Monster's Ball.

Nah. It's not about you. It's not about whites. That's why it's called African-American Studies.

They are VERY concerned about how whites may be portrayed.

In a way, it's understandable. I mean, what is black history without racism, and what is racism without white people?

But, you know, it is what it is.

 

[Rawley]

African-American history classes have been around in high school for quite some time.

In fact, in Florida, it's required. Albeit on a rather tight leash.

First year for the AP course

 

[jaypatriot]

Looks like you need the history course. Yes, we had the 14th and 15th amendment, BUT those laws were not being enforced. Laws were still being enacted to deny black people housing, employment, voting registration, public goods and services. Tell me how segregation was good for African Americans. Did you know it was legal to deny a black person a bank loan based on race, until the late 60s? In fact, the election of 1776 basically set back the rights of African Americans for about 100 years.

Spare me all of injustices you have suffered.
Yes, there is still discrimination and racism.
I am quoting the Constitution. If you don't believe in it, fine.
To you the world sucks. Get over it. You're free, black, and over 21.
You want to live your grievances until you die, that's your choice.
Millions of people are trying to get into this country every day.
And you're life is dedicated to putting down the country that is the freest in the world.

 

[jaypatriot]

I answered your questions rationally and factually, and your repeated response has been, "But I don't like it." Pretty clear what your feelings are on the subject.

It's not that I don't like it.
I think the course is superfluous.
That opinion is clear to anyone.

 

[Michael Cole]

It's not that I don't like it.
I think the course is superfluous.
That opinion is clear to anyone.

Yeah, right. You have no clue what it is. You don't like it. It's the black.

 

[BrotherFease]

Spare me all of injustices you have suffered.
Yes, there is still discrimination and racism.
I am quoting the Constitution. If you don't believe in it, fine.
To you the world sucks. Get over it. You're free, black, and over 21.
You want to live your grievances until you die, that's your choice.
Millions of people are trying to get into this country every day.
And you're life is dedicated to putting down the country that is the freest in the world.

You think I am black?

Anyway, I am not going to debate you further, because you're not listening to what I am saying, nor are you listening to the other posters are saying. African Americans studies is important, because it highlights how far society has come to ensuring black Americans are treated the same as white Americans.

BTW - I am not saying America is a bad country. It's actually a great country. But it has its flaws. Learning from the past is important.

 

[jaypatriot]

You think I am black?

Anyway, I am not going to debate you further, because you're not listening to what I am saying, nor are you listening to the other posters are saying. African Americans studies is important, because it highlights how far society has come to ensuring black Americans are treated the same as white Americans.

BTW - I am not saying America is a bad country. It's actually a great country. But it has its flaws. Learning from the past is important.

Every country has flaws.
And everyone should learn from its past.
Just like CRT and the 1619 Project, I believe there are anti-white forces at work trying to convince the country that this is a racist country that must pay for its painful past.
You believe African Americans studies is important.
I believe it is a way for those who hate whites to fan the flames of racism against whites.
I cannot understand why members of an ethnic group consisting of just 13 percent of the population would feel African-American studies is important.
To what end? To make people feel good about the African heritage?
To give them the tools to succeed in this challenging world where leaders of organization pay people based on the skills they can deliver to that organization.?
If you're not going to college to learn something useful that can contribute to the organization that will pay you, then what are you going to college for?
Do other ethnic groups make a big deal out of European or Asian or Native-American studies?
I just don't see the value or the point of African-American studies.
It simply sounds racist to me.

 

[Citizen]

You mean like Biden, who ran as a Moderate, and then, when elected, he becomes a puppet of the Progressive Left doing everything he can to violate federal immigration laws, pander to students who don't want to pay their debts, and giving billions away to people who want to sit on their asses at home instead of looking for work.
You mean that leopard?

Well, if your whataboutism makes you feel better

 

[jaypatriot]

Well, if your whataboutism makes you feel better

Just calling a spade an old senile spade.

 

[Citizen]

Just calling a spade an old senile spade.

No, you are changing the subject with your whataboutism. We were talking about DeSantis. Stay on topic

 

[jaypatriot]

No, you are changing the subject with your whataboutism. We were talking about DeSantis. Stay on topic

OK. I like DeSantis and I believe he would make an excellent president.
And I believe he is trying to protect his students from racist propaganda designed to be accepted as history or culture studies.
To be fair, I have not see the final version of the Black History AP course which also is disguised as a African American culture studies course.
But I've seen enough of CRT propaganda and the 1619 Project to know there are racists who want to shove anti-white propaganda into elementary and high schools.
That's what DeSantis is guarding against.

 

[Citizen]

OK. I like DeSantis and I believe he would make an excellent president.
And I believe he is trying to protect his students from racist propaganda designed to be accepted as history or culture studies.
To be fair, I have not see the final version of the Black History AP course which also is disguised as a African American culture studies course.
But I've seen enough of CRT propaganda and the 1619 Project to know there are racists who want to shove anti-white propaganda into elementary and high schools.
That's what DeSantis is guarding against.

So not until you read the course of study posted, then you have no opinion. There is nothing in that curriculum that is CRT. Teaching black history is not anti white propaganda

 

[Somerville]

Apparently, not all 'Christians' in Florida support the efforts by DeSantis to control the education of the kids.

Florida church to teach banned AP African American Studies course: 'Our way of evangelism'​

A Florida church has offered space for teaching an Advanced Placement African-American Studies course rejected by the Florida Department of Education due to course content the DeSantis administration considers "indoctrination."

Pastor Andy Oliver of Allendale United Methodist Church in St. Petersburg is offering his church as a space to teach AP African American Studies after the state's Department of Education informed the College Board that it was not going to add the course to the state's Course Code Directory.

In an interview with The Christian Post, Oliver said he sees teaching the content of the course as essential to his congregation's mission.

"We have an important job as Christians to know our history, to know the history of harm specifically that African Americans have experienced in this country," he said. "I lead a congregation that sees it as a central part of our faith to stand with those who are marginalized and oppressed because that's where Jesus always located himself."

 

[BrotherFease]

Every country has flaws.
And everyone should learn from its past.
Just like CRT and the 1619 Project, I believe there are anti-white forces at work trying to convince the country that this is a racist country that must pay for its painful past.
You believe African Americans studies is important.
I believe it is a way for those who hate whites to fan the flames of racism against whites.
I cannot understand why members of an ethnic group consisting of just 13 percent of the population would feel African-American studies is important.
To what end? To make people feel good about the African heritage?
To give them the tools to succeed in this challenging world where leaders of organization pay people based on the skills they can deliver to that organization.?
If you're not going to college to learn something useful that can contribute to the organization that will pay you, then what are you going to college for?
Do other ethnic groups make a big deal out of European or Asian or Native-American studies?
I just don't see the value or the point of African-American studies.
It simply sounds racist to me.

Once again, you're missing the point. It's not about bashing white people. It's about LEARNING ABOUT THE PAST and ALLOWING STUDENTS TO DEVELOP CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. That's the point. The African American experience is the American experience. Most of our country's history revolves around racism. That's just an inescapable fact. Lets stop making excuses about it. Learn from our mistakes. This is why the Holocaust and Nazism is taught in Germany educational system. Every student learns about the holocaust for Germany's own survival. There's a lot of dancing in your posts. If African Americans were truly "full citizens" due to the 14th amendment, then there was no need to pass the 15th amendment. No need to pass the 24th amendment. There was no need to pass the 1957, 1960, 1964, and 1965 Civil Rights Acts. No need to pass banking reform laws, making it illegal to deny bank loans based on race or color. There was no need for the Brown vs. Board of Education to go through the justice system.

 

[cpwill]

What is the issue?

As I understand it, it is attempting to pass off Queer and Critical Race "Theory" as history, such as the notion that treating people equally regardless of their ethnicity is racist (it is against Florida law for a public school to teach something other than the notion that people should be treated equally regardless of their ethnicity).

Boutique radical salons probably don't even belong in publicly funded colleges - much less our high schools. DeSantis is likely on the right side of a 70-30 issue here, assuming facts ever actually get out (which they might not - tribal slogans are easier).

 

[cpwill]

Once again, you're missing the point. It's not about bashing white people.

That would be nice if that was correct.

It's about LEARNING ABOUT THE PAST and ALLOWING STUDENTS TO DEVELOP CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS.

Yeah. That's what we have AP History for, and it covers

The African American experience

and

Most of our country's history revolves around racism.

already.

The "If You Don't Teach My Boutique Political Theories You Aren't Teaching History" argument is crap.

 

[Michael Cole]

As I understand it, it is attempting to pass off Queer and Critical Race "Theory" as history, such as the notion that treating people equally regardless of their ethnicity is racist (it is against Florida law for a public school to teach something other than the notion that people should be treated equally regardless of their ethnicity).

Boutique radical salons probably don't even belong in publicly funded colleges - much less our high schools. DeSantis is likely on the right side of a 70-30 issue here, assuming facts ever actually get out (which they might not - tribal slogans are easier).

That's the biggest pile of steam turd I've seen all day. Let's have some fun with it.

 

[cpwill]

That's the biggest pile of steam turd I've seen all day. Let's have some fun with it.

I'm not sure exactly what evidence or logic you thought you were bringing to bear, there, but, you seem to be having fun with it, so, go nuts

 

[Michael Cole]

I'm not sure exactly what evidence or logic you thought you were bringing to bear, there, but, you seem to be having fun with it, so, go nuts

Radical boutique salon were your words. Like I said, a heaping pile of steamy turd. I'm sure you think it's cute. It smells.

Your posts show a stunning ignorance of education, especially this AP course. That part smells, as well.

 

[cpwill]

Radical boutique salon

Indeed. Are you familiar with the history of radical salons, especially in France?

You posts show a stunning ignorance of education.

Were it so, it seems, it would be an easy thing for you to demonstrate - but instead you post pictures of nail places.

 

[Michael Cole]

Indeed. Are you familiar with the history of radical salons, especially in France?

Yes, I've read about it. You appear confused. It's the 21st century. We're discussing AP African-American Studies. 18th and 19th century French artists are irrelevant. The salons are irrelevant. That's just your imagination attempting to rationalize your feelings.

Were it so, it seems, it would be an easy thing for you to demonstrate - but instead you post pictures of nail places.

Nobody needs to demonstrate anything to you. I've already demonstrated that African-American Studies has been taught in universities since 1968. If you can't figure it out from there, then there's something blocking your reasoning process. Could be your feelings.

 

[cpwill]

Yes, I've read about it. You appear confused. It's the 21st century. We're discussing AP African-American Studies. 18th and 19th century French artists are irrelevant. The salons are irrelevant. That's just your imagination attempting to rationalize your feelings.

"History is irrelevant" and you're the one lecturing

Nobody needs to demonstrate anything to you. I've already demonstrated that African-American Studies has been taught in universities since 1968. If you can't figure it out from there, then there's something blocking your reasoning process. Could be your feelings.

No one as far as I'm aware has claimed that they haven't been - certainly I haven't.

 

[Michael Cole]

"History is irrelevant" and you're the one lecturing

18th and 19th century French movements in the Renaissance art world are completely irrelevant to 21st century African-American Studies, in which history is only one component. You don't seem to have any clue about African-American studies. Are you opposed because they're black?

No one as far as I'm aware has claimed that they haven't been - certainly I haven't.

So, 55 years and still no crying little white boys. 55 years and no radical salon.

I didn't expect you to figure it out.

 

[reflechissez]

As I understand it, it is attempting to pass off Queer and Critical Race "Theory" as history, such as the notion that treating people equally regardless of their ethnicity is racist (it is against Florida law for a public school to teach something other than the notion that people should be treated equally regardless of their ethnicity).

Boutique radical salons probably don't even belong in publicly funded colleges - much less our high schools. DeSantis is likely on the right side of a 70-30 issue here, assuming facts ever actually get out (which they might not - tribal slogans are easier).

Your post doesn't have any facts in it.

 

[jaypatriot]

Most of our country's history revolves around racism.

You're right. Racist toward all foreigners plus black people.
Can't deny that.

If African Americans were truly "full citizens" due to the 14th amendment, then there was no need to pass the 15th amendment.

So you acknowledge that blacks were technically citizens with the passing of the 14th Amendment. At least you acknowledge that in spite of your cynicism.

You probably claim there is systemic racism in this country.
Do you think more federal laws are going to give blacks all of the legal support they need before they feel "equal" to others in this country?