Can you defend Trump without mentioning Hillary?

[NeverTrump]

I can defend Trump without mentioning the congenital liar. Here we go:

Trump wants a wall.

Trump does not want refugees.

Trump hates NAFTA.

Trump does not want the US sticking its nose in foreign conflicts.

Trump wants to spend money repairing the US, not nation building.

See, no Hillary.

Well you did mention her at the end, but I'll give it to you. You didn't mention her until then...

 

[TurtleDude]

Ah it is a heck of a lot easier to defend Hillary without mentioning Trump. Democrats do it all the time! Hillary has a track record of stuff she has done in the government and things you can either credit her or discredit her with.

what has Hillary ever achieved that she did that wasn't based on who her husband was

Lets see-her "success" as an attorney in Little Rock

Most of her work with the Rose Law firm involved dealing with regulatory agencies, the members of were appointed or owed their jobs to her husband. Rather easy to do well in front of regulators your husband hires and fires

Senate: how did someone with no ties to NY and who never had paid their dues in NY manage to become a senator but for being married to a president who was popular with the nanny state fan boys and girls who dominate NY politics? And what did Hillary do as a senator? Not much of anything

well that's not really fair, she did sponsor and introduce legislation to get a post office renamed. other than that, she wasn't much of a senator


Candidate. Hillary was seen as the front runner. Her husband's many fans wanted a repeat of the clinton administration and that alone was enough to make a third rate senator the front runner. Then she managed to lose the nomination to someone whose resume was almost as thin as hers.

SOS-again, hillary's connection with Bill got her the job as SOS. a job she came close to earning an indictment for.

So Fans of Hillary, just what has she done that justifies her being president other than the fact that some of you want the novelty of a woman president: apparently the failures of someone elected for the novelty of being black didn't educate enough of you

 

[legalimmigrant]

I have zero doubt that nothing will change with Trump except he very well could cause WWIII

...by that warmongering talk how he and Putin can work together.

Yeah, that will make those bad Russkies attack the US because they like dying in large numbers.

 

[NeverTrump]

what has Hillary ever achieved that she did that wasn't based on who her husband was

Lets see-her "success" as an attorney in Little Rock

Most of her work with the Rose Law firm involved dealing with regulatory agencies, the members of were appointed or owed their jobs to her husband. Rather easy to do well in front of regulators your husband hires and fires

Senate: how did someone with no ties to NY and who never had paid their dues in NY manage to become a senator but for being married to a president who was popular with the nanny state fan boys and girls who dominate NY politics? And what did Hillary do as a senator? Not much of anything

well that's not really fair, she did sponsor and introduce legislation to get a post office renamed. other than that, she wasn't much of a senator


Candidate. Hillary was seen as the front runner. Her husband's many fans wanted a repeat of the clinton administration and that alone was enough to make a third rate senator the front runner. Then she managed to lose the nomination to someone whose resume was almost as thin as hers.

SOS-again, hillary's connection with Bill got her the job as SOS. a job she came close to earning an indictment for.

So Fans of Hillary, just what has she done that justifies her being president other than the fact that some of you want the novelty of a woman president: apparently the failures of someone elected for the novelty of being black didn't educate enough of you

Yes these are all things a potential voter should be aware of and ponder before casting a vote for Hillary. However, you do realize that you just talked about Hillary without mentioning Trump at all right?

 

[legalimmigrant]

what has Hillary ever achieved that she did that wasn't based on who her husband was

Lets see-her "success" as an attorney in Little Rock

Most of her work with the Rose Law firm involved dealing with regulatory agencies, the members of were appointed or owed their jobs to her husband. Rather easy to do well in front of regulators your husband hires and fires

Senate: how did someone with no ties to NY and who never had paid their dues in NY manage to become a senator but for being married to a president who was popular with the nanny state fan boys and girls who dominate NY politics? And what did Hillary do as a senator? Not much of anything

well that's not really fair, she did sponsor and introduce legislation to get a post office renamed. other than that, she wasn't much of a senator


Candidate. Hillary was seen as the front runner. Her husband's many fans wanted a repeat of the clinton administration and that alone was enough to make a third rate senator the front runner. Then she managed to lose the nomination to someone whose resume was almost as thin as hers.

SOS-again, hillary's connection with Bill got her the job as SOS. a job she came close to earning an indictment for.

So Fans of Hillary, just what has she done that justifies her being president other than the fact that some of you want the novelty of a woman president: apparently the failures of someone elected for the novelty of being black didn't educate enough of you

Well done. Let's see if you will get any better than semi-intelligent responses.

 

[TurtleDude]

Or people who think they are winners, not sexist, not racist, not sexist. Hmmm maybe Hillary was right??? Great argument TD. You just took the Clinton bait as well. Don't get fattened up now, you don't want Trump to call you names. Do you?

I was a trial attorney for 30 years. much of that work resulted in people on the other side being real unhappy. In my last two trials, a woman who told everyone who would listen that she was going to win at least a half million dollars from a federal agency got ZILCH and her attorneys who worked 1000 hours a year for three years went home with NOTHING. In the last case I tried, a drug dealer who stashed some serious Jack with his mother saw the money seized by the feds and they sued to get it back and the jury found that the money was clearly drug money and both of them were out a few hundred K. put on top of that people who filed criminal appeals or "collateral attacks (2255 motions)' of their sentences-I don't think I ever lost one of those of the 100+ I handled, and I got called a lot of names. I think I had 6 cases of death threats made against me

what I am trying t tell you is that Trump calling me names isn't something I worry about. and I don't find Hillary's attempts to appeal to those who adopt permanent victimhood to be anything other than pathetic pandering to the worst of human nature

 

[NeverTrump]

...by that warmongering talk how he and Putin can work together.

Yeah, that will make those bad Russkies attack the US because they like dying in large numbers.

Again, Voting for what you want to happen and what will actually happen aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Sparky2]

Here's an idea;

How about ALL of you shut the hell up about Hillary, and let people just discuss Donald Trump on his own merits?

It's what I did earlier, and I'm not even a Trump guy.

Spirit of the thread?
Just saying................
:shock:

 

[Perotista]

Please try to do it here.

I can't defend either one, Trump or Clinton. To do so would only prove I am as messed up as those two are. Both are not defendable unless one has been blinded and can't hear and doesn't care about all the wrong each has done.

 

[NeverTrump]

I was a trial attorney for 30 years. much of that work resulted in people on the other side being real unhappy. In my last two trials, a woman who told everyone who would listen that she was going to win at least a half million dollars from a federal agency got ZILCH and her attorneys who worked 1000 hours a year for three years went home with NOTHING. In the last case I tried, a drug dealer who stashed some serious Jack with his mother saw the money seized by the feds and they sued to get it back and the jury found that the money was clearly drug money and both of them were out a few hundred K. put on top of that people who filed criminal appeals or "collateral attacks (2255 motions)' of their sentences-I don't think I ever lost one of those of the 100+ I handled, and I got called a lot of names. I think I had 6 cases of death threats made against me

what I am trying t tell you is that Trump calling me names isn't something I worry about. and I don't find Hillary's attempts to appeal to those who adopt permanent victimhood to be anything other than pathetic pandering to the worst of human nature

OK good. While you consider yourself a winner, that doesn't mean the majority of Trump supporters consider themselves winners. In fact, a lot of Trump supporters I talk to IRL complain about the government and the corruption and they say, thing would be easier/I would be in a better situation if the government got out of my way. They think Trump is the guy who will MAKE THEM winners.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yeah. There's plenty of irrelevant b.s. that's flung Trump's way. The reason why Hillary is brought up is because the MSM complains about Trump when Hillary has done similar or worse things.

Yeah, that's for sure. Bigot, Xenophobe, Islamophobe, racists among them.

Not really. My entire premise is that he is a jerk, but still an order of magnitude better than Hillary.

That is for certain. I wonder how much of unguarded statements are typical of New Yorkers or typical of non-politicians (who have learned better than to be honest in their statements), or, what I suspect is far more the case, that the biased lame stream media looking to torpedo Trump at any cost, as he represents the antithesis of their own ideology, to be sabotaged at all cost.

Well Trump does stupid stuff that does not involve Hillary in anyway. That's what I was referring to. Then Trump supporters often point to something similar that Hillary did even though it had nothing to do with her in the first place.

I suppose that this is mainly due to both candidates being disliked, so not wanting to defend them, but to point to worse things, real or imagined, from the other candidate.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

This thread is not about defending hillary without mentioning Trump. This thread is about defending Trump without mentioning Hillary. I find it funny that your go-to argument is to try to get me to defend Hillary without mentioning trump. That means you can't defend Trump without mentioning hillary because you have already done so and lost the argument!

I see you cannot do what I asked.

 

[TurtleDude]

OK good. While you consider yourself a winner, that doesn't mean the majority of Trump supporters consider themselves winners. In fact, a lot of Trump supporters I talk to IRL complain about the government and the corruption and they say, thing would be easier/I would be in a better situation if the government got out of my way. They think Trump is the guy who will MAKE THEM winners.

saying the government should get out of your way so you can do better is having confidence in your own abilities. The people hillary pander to tend to be people who want the government to take care of them or they are the super-elitists who think they will help run the government and they want more and more government to increase their power

 

[Moot]

true, Hillary has convinced the permanently offended that Trump is why they were called "fat" "ugly" "flat chested" a "pig" or so forth when they were younger. Trump is to blame for those who are crippled, mentally disabled, anemic or sexually confused. Hillary is the avenging Goddess for all those who have suffered slights.

Trump at least appeals to winners.

Trump appeals to "winners" the same way that P. T. Barnum appealed to suckers.

Trump is a great showman.

 

[TurtleDude]

Trump appeals to losers the same way that P. T. Barnum appealed to suckers.

really? so who is more likely to be attracted to the claim

"the rich need to start paying their fair share"?

those doing well or those envious of the rich?

who does Hillary's ad about the girls looking in the mirror pander to?

attractive successful women or those who are mad that men have made negative comments about their looks

what about that attack ad (the same group that had that pathetic fruitcake on a segway scooter whining about Portman, IIRC) that has some black kid whining that Trump made fun of HIM because he had cancer? who is that appealing too?

 

[Master PO]

Voting for what you want to happen and what will actually happen aren't mutually exclusive. I have zero doubt that nothing will change with Trump except he very well could cause WWIII

Ronald Reagan!

 

[humbolt]

Yeah bilateral trade agreements that favors himself and ruins international relations. OK. Great Defense! But that's something I guess.

That's a pretty cynical view. I specifically said my statement wasn't intended to be a defense of Trump in this instance. I'm just stating what Trump himself has said. Whether that actually ruins international relations or somehow accrues benefit to Trump remains to be seen. Trump said he would renegotiate NAFTA. That doesn't sound like the end of the world. It sounds like a renegotiation of a trade deal. I think people are a little over-amped on this stuff, honestly.

 

[eohrnberger]

Yes, the vast majority of voters are voting for one candidate because they're afraid of what the other candidate will do. That's from actual polling data.

Thanks for the good link.

One thing that's got me worried a bit, it this (from the article):

Using data from VoteView, we can track the average partisanship of members of each party's congressional delegations. The gap between them is wider than at any point since the Civil War.

Either of these candidates elected and there will be, or might be, a civil war? The chasm between the Hillary supporters and the Trump supporters is a wide and deep one, filled with antagonism and toxic spew from both sides.

 

[eohrnberger]

Defend Trump from what exactly? Not everything Trump does is defensible. You mean the "he doesn't pay his contractors" b.s.? Because they did a sub-standard job or because maybe the people filing a lawsuit just want to sue him in the hopes that he will settle. Without details about the circumstances of the liens in question then it's all a bunch of b.s. Recently a bunch of Aurora shooting survivors sued the theater for not providing adequate security. The case was frivolous b.s. Same with many of the liens.

Exactly spot on, and the biased lamestream media only reports that such things exist as a means to damage Trump. They would never report anything favorable to trump, they'd just as soon scratch their own eyes out.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Exactly spot on, and the biased lamestream media only reports that such things exist as a means to damage Trump. They would never report anything favorable to trump, they'd just as soon scratch their own eyes out.

when you say "lamestream media" you appear to be intellectual equal of sarah palin

 

[eohrnberger]

when you say "lamestream media" you appear to be intellectual equal of sarah palin

It's the best description of the poor excuse for journalism that they are rendering / inflicting on the electorate.

In order for this Republic to effectively self-govern it requires a well informed electorate. The media isn't informing, they are spinning and rendering their opinions as if it were fact.

I don't think the press has been doing their job, and have lowered themselves to spinning and out right propaganda in some instances. This doesn't bode well for the longevity and effectiveness of our Republic.

 

[JANFU]

Exactly spot on, and the biased lamestream media only reports that such things exist as a means to damage Trump. They would never report anything favorable to trump, they'd just as soon scratch their own eyes out.

Well Donald does make it hard to have a favorable news story come out. He is his own worst enemy.

 

[TurtleDude]

when you say "lamestream media" you appear to be intellectual equal of sarah palin

that would put him way ahead of many of the Canklers.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well Donald does make it hard to have a favorable news story come out. He is his own worst enemy.

especially when most of the MSM is hard core democrats. I have seen polls of presidential election reporters over the last 5-6 elections and its 85-90% voting for the Democrat candidate.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

especially when most of the MSM is hard core democrats. I have seen polls of presidential election reporters over the last 5-6 elections and its 85-90% voting for the Democrat candidate.

there are only so many dummies who parrot fox news and breitbart. most news reporters are educated.