Can you debate gun control using only logical arguments... (4 Viewers)

[RF667799]

The UK has had zero school mass shootings since Dunblane in 1996.
How many has the US had?

How much of the benefits of gun ownership has the UK experienced?

 

[Spock]

Demonstrated fact, as you’ve been shown.

It’s what some of your more moronic arguments warrant.

Your argument remains refuted.

Firearm remain a majory public health problem in America. All your tortured posturing and rationalizatons cannot change that fact.

 

[Spock]

Repeatedly proven false.

Show us the prevalence of firearms by state, city and household then.

What does this even mean?

Show us the prevalence of firearms broken down by state, city and household. You can exclude unsold firearms in a gun store, or include them if you like.

Give is the numbers.

Why do you think you are able to understand prevalence now when you have not been able to understand that total firearms bears little relationship to disease causing prevalence?

 

[RF667799]

Firearm remain a majory public health problem in America. All your tortured posturing and rationalizatons cannot change that fact.

You have a strange idea of what constitutes a "major public health problem". Among gun owners, the accidental fatality rate is less than .0005%.

 

[RF667799]

Why do you think you are able to understand prevalence now when you have not been able to understand that total firearms bears little relationship to disease causing prevalence?

Wot? Disease? Disease causing prevalence? I guess there was something coherent in that sentence, just dying to get out. So try again.

 

[Spock]

1. Gee, yet YOU SAID that the police violence and violence in the community was the fault of black gun owners.

Nope. Read my comments. Firearms in black communities have produced a death and injury problem.

And I love how you are doubling down that it’s the fault of the black gun owners that black folks are being killed by police for holding a cell phone.

2. Yep. Sorry but I understand prevalence so much more than you do.

Apparently not.

3. I love your irrational segways and insults when clearly you cannot support your positions.

We have been down this road repeatedly and you cannot accept the fundamental relationship between firearm access and death and injury. There is no hope you will understand the etiological connection because that knowledge would undermine your entire biased set of prejudices.

 

[Spock]

You have a strange idea of what constitutes a "major public health problem". Among gun owners, the accidental fatality rate is less than .0005%.

The firearm death and injury effect on 110,000 Americans is 100%.

 

[Spock]

Wot? Disease? Disease causing prevalence? I guess there was something coherent in that sentence, just dying to get out. So try again.

Agents of injury result in disease. The prevalence of the agent of injury defines the frequency of disease.

 

[RF667799]

The firearm death and injury effect on 110,000 Americans is 100%.

Oh you want to include murders, suicides, and even all the injuries. Of course, that will expand the population we are figuring risk for, to the entire population of the US.

So that's about a .03% chance of being injured or killed by someone- or yourself- using a gun.

 

[RF667799]

Agents of injury result in disease. The prevalence of the agent of injury defines the frequency of disease.

Oh. Tortured, private definitions.

So what's the disease you keep referring to?

 

[Spock]

Oh you want to include murders, suicides, and even all the injuries. Of course, that will expand the population we are figuring risk for, to the entire population of the US.

So that's about a .03% chance of being injured or killed by someone- or yourself- using a gun.

So what is your point?
Are you not concerned about polio, botulism, or rabies?
There are very few babies that die from plastic bags --- so there is no reason for concern?

 

[Spock]

Oh. Tortured, private definitions.

So what's the disease you keep referring to?

Think about the operative effect of firearms and you will become enlightened.

 

[RF667799]

So what is your point?
Are you not concerned about polio, botulism, or rabies?
There are very few babies that die from plastic bags --- so there is no reason for concern?

My point is that your claims about the extent of concern...that there is an epidemic...are overblown hyperbole. Most certainly when you want to infringe on the Constitutional rights and civil liberties of the 99.994% because of the actions of the .006%. (The number of murderers as a percentage of the population at large. And that is with giving you every benefit of the doubt. )

 

[Spock]

My point is that your claims about the extent of concern...that there is an epidemic...are overblown hyperbole.

100,000 victims is an epidemic by any measure.

Most certainly when you want to infringe on the Constitutional rights and civil liberties of the 99.994% because of the actions of the .006%. (The number of murderers as a percentage of the population at large. And that is with giving you every benefit of the doubt. )

1 in ten million persons with measles and 2 deaths is an epidemic.
100,000 firearms victims by all rational measures is an epidemic.

 

[RF667799]

100,000 victims is an epidemic by any measure.

1 in ten million persons with measles and 2 deaths is an epidemic.
100,000 firearms victims by all rational measures is an epidemic.

Okay. I guess virtually everything is an epidemic to you.

Congrats on exposing the extent of your hyperbole.

 

[jaeger19]

Nope. Read my comments. Firearms in black communities have produced a death and injury problem.

Apparently not.

We have been down this road repeatedly and you cannot accept the fundamental relationship between firearm access and death and injury. There is no hope you will understand the etiological connection because that knowledge would undermine your entire biased set of prejudices.

1. Yes. As you pointed out .. it’s black gun owners that Are responsible for the death and injury in black communities and it’s black gun owners that are responsible for police officers shooting black folks when they have a cell phone in their hand. You’ve made your position quite clear.

2. Well we have been down this road repeatedly for sure. And repeatedly you have failed to produce one iota of evidence for your claims. In fact, while claiming increased “ firearm prevalence “ causes increased death and injury”. You then point out that you cannot quantify said prevalence!!!

Basically you want everyone to take your bias and prejudice as fact.

 

[jaeger19]

The UK has had zero school mass shootings since Dunblane in 1996.
How many has the US had?

So? Why should anyone care more about mass shootings than murder rates?

As the facts show, despite the mass shootings in the us , the us is near a 50 year low in violent crime.

 

[jaeger19]

Firearm remain a majory public health problem in America. All your tortured posturing and rationalizatons cannot change that fact.

Well except you have no proof of that.

 

[Spock]

Okay. I guess virtually everything is an epidemic to you.

Congrats on exposing the extent of your hyperbole.

I am not suffering from your need for denial, so the evidence is obvious to me.

 

[Spock]

1. Yes. As you pointed out .. it’s black gun owners that Are responsible for the death and injury in black communities and it’s black gun owners that are responsible for police officers shooting black folks when they have a cell phone in their hand. You’ve made your position quite clear.

2. Well we have been down this road repeatedly for sure. And repeatedly you have failed to produce one iota of evidence for your claims. In fact, while claiming increased “ firearm prevalence “ causes increased death and injury”. You then point out that you cannot quantify said prevalence!!!

Basically you want everyone to take your bias and prejudice as fact.

The fact is that firearms in black communities have resulted in death and injury. Are you trying to argue that firearm death is not a problem in urban black communities?

 

[Spock]

Well except you have no proof of that.

It is well-demonstrated and widely understood that firearm death and injury is a particularly bad American problem.

 

[Peter]

So? Why should anyone care more about mass shootings than murder rates?

As the facts show, despite the mass shootings in the us , the us is near a 50 year low in violent crime.

Thus proving my point.
Mass shootings are so common now you just have them as a part of everyday life.

 

[Spock]

Thus proving my point.
Mass shootings are so common now you just have them as a part of everyday life.

Normalization of deviance

 

[RF667799]

I am not suffering from your need for denial, so the evidence is obvious to me.

Your conclusions don't comport with reality, but so long as you're happy with them.

 

[RF667799]

Normalization of deviance

The Gun Control Industry works overtime to ensure that.