Can you debate gun control using only logical arguments...

[rahl]

About 50% of gun owners aren't safe with them.

You can not support this claim.

Yes I have.

You have failed to support this moronic claim and have in fact had it absolutely curb stomped.

 

[Rich2018]

Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. You are using completely arbitrary definitions of safety.

What would yours be and what relation would it be to the many gun related accidental injuries per year ?

In 2023 there were 46,728 gun related deaths
62.8% were preventable/accidental

Gun Deaths in America, 2022 - Injury Facts

Gun deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 48,204 in 2022, a decrease of 1% from 2021.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

 

[RF667799]

What would yours be and what relation would it be to the many gun related accidental injuries per year ?

In 2023 there were 46,728 gun related deaths
62.8% were preventable/accidental

Gun Deaths in America, 2022 - Injury Facts

Gun deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 48,204 in 2022, a decrease of 1% from 2021.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

Your source says 1%.

Can you explain the discrepancy between what your source actually says, and what you say it says?

Are you simply lying?

 

[rahl]

What would yours be and what relation would it be to the many gun related accidental injuries per year ?

In 2023 there were 46,728 gun related deaths
62.8% were preventable/accidental

Gun Deaths in America, 2022 - Injury Facts

Gun deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 48,204 in 2022, a decrease of 1% from 2021.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

Why are you lying about what your own citation says? Did you even read it?

 

[Rich2018]

Why are you lying about what your own citation says? Did you even read it?

Loaded question

When did you stop beating your wife ?

 

[RF667799]

Loaded question

When did you stop beating your wife ?

Except there is good evidence you did in fact misquote your own source.

 

[JMB1911A1]

What would yours be and what relation would it be to the many gun related accidental injuries per year ?

In 2023 there were 46,728 gun related deaths
62.8% were preventable/accidental

Gun Deaths in America, 2022 - Injury Facts

Gun deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 48,204 in 2022, a decrease of 1% from 2021.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

First section of your link:

"Gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 46,728 in 2023, a decrease of 3% from 48,204 deaths in 2022. Suicides account for 58% of deaths related to firearms, while 38% were homicides, and about 1% were preventable/accidental. Please note that the term gun is used on this page to refer to firearms that can be carried by a person, not to the larger class of weapons."

That lines up with the average of 500 accidental deaths per a year which is negligible in a population of 100 million gun owners. .0005%of gun owners.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Why are you lying about what your own citation says? Did you even read it?

He won't answer honestly. He will never admit his mistake. Expect a new rabbit hole in 3, 2, 1 ...

 

[RF667799]

First section of your link:

"Gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 46,728 in 2023, a decrease of 3% from 48,204 deaths in 2022. Suicides account for 58% of deaths related to firearms, while 38% were homicides, and about 1% were preventable/accidental. Please note that the term gun is used on this page to refer to firearms that can be carried by a person, not to the larger class of weapons."

That lines up with the average of 500 accidental deaths per a year which is negligible in a population of 100 million gun owners. .0005%of gun owners.

Did you even see his "62.8%" figure in his source?

 

[Rich2018]

First section of your link:

"Gun-related deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 46,728 in 2023, a decrease of 3% from 48,204 deaths in 2022. Suicides account for 58% of deaths related to firearms, while 38% were homicides, and about 1% were preventable/accidental. Please note that the term gun is used on this page to refer to firearms that can be carried by a person, not to the larger class of weapons."

That lines up with the average of 500 accidental deaths per a year which is negligible in a population of 100 million gun owners. .0005%of gun owners

And you think that's OK ?

And how many non-fatal injuries per year are caused by gun-related "accidents" ?

 

[JMB1911A1]

And you think that's OK ?

And how many non-fatal injuries per year are caused by gun-related "accidents" ?

And there's the goalpost move and rabbit hole.

Be honest and admit your error about the 62.8% and then we can debate.

 

[Rich2018]

And there's the goalpost move and rabbit hole.

Nope, merely your pathetic attempt to deflect.

Be honest and admit your error about the 62.8% and then we can debate.

So non-fatal gun related injuries don't count as "safety issues" ?
It must be a strange criteria of "safety" if you really think that.

 

[RF667799]

Nope, merely your pathetic attempt to deflect.



So non-fatal gun related injuries don't count as "safety issues" ?
It must be a strange criteria of "safety" if you really think that.

Dodge and deflect.

The only real question is whether your misquote of your source was a lie or a mistake. You seem reluctant...very reluctant...to own up to either.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Nope, merely your pathetic attempt to deflect.



So non-fatal gun related injuries don't count as "safety issues" ?
It must be a strange criteria of "safety" if you really think that.

Let me remind you of your lie.

What would yours be and what relation would it be to the many gun related accidental injuries per year ?

In 2023 there were 46,728 gun related deaths
62.8% were preventable/accidental

Gun Deaths in America, 2022 - Injury Facts

Gun deaths from preventable, intentional, and undetermined causes totaled 48,204 in 2022, a decrease of 1% from 2021.

injuryfacts.nsc.org

The actual number per the article you cited is about 1%.

Why the lie @Rich2018 ? Why are you so unwilling to admit your mistake?

Could this be the reason?

Why Some People Will Never Admit That They're Wrong

Psychological rigidity is not a sign of strength.

www.psychologytoday.com

Some people refuse to admit they’re wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, due to a fragile ego.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The 2A rights don’t include the right to shoot (or shoot at) another person, thus (sufficient) “gun control” laws already exist.

Well THAT was a dumb thing to say TT. smh

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Well I think that Gun Nuts will tell us all about cars, swimming pools, stairs and how suicide isnt actually a death.

But you said "use logic" so NO, they can't do that.

 

[RF667799]

To reiterate...

Rich's source: "about 1% were preventable/accidental"

Rich's interpretation: "62.8% were preventable/accidental"



Extreme gun control advocates...he's one of yours for sure.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The actual number per the article you cited is about 1%.

So then you are saying out of all the gun deaths, 99% of them were not accidents nor were they preventable?

I dont think that statement was much of a flex.

 

[RF667799]

Well I think that Gun Nuts will tell us all about cars, swimming pools, stairs and how suicide isnt actually a death.

But you said "use logic" so NO, they can't do that.

Do you have a single example of "suicide isn't actually a death"?

I say you don't, and you're just making shit up to troll the thread.

 

[JMB1911A1]

To reiterate...

Rich's source: "about 1% were preventable/accidental"

Rich's interpretation: "62.8% were preventable/accidental"



Extreme gun control advocates...he's one of yours for sure.

 

[RF667799]

So then you are saying out of all the gun deaths, 99% of them were not accidents nor were they preventable?

I dont think that statement was much of a flex.

Your reading comprehension is atrocious.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The core problem is always one thing - violent people/violent acts. That's it, period, end of story. Literally everyone could carry an AR strapped to their backs every day ... and if nobody is violent? no issues at all. Guns don't assault, guns don't make people violent. They can be used in acts of violence, yes, like knives can be ..... but the core problem isn't the weapon.

In that case, everyone should be able to have a nuclear warhead.

After all: they arent the core problem. They're "arms". Violent people are actually the problem, so naturally you want to pump as many weapons out there as possible. Since the weapons are innocent as a newborn babe.

 

[JMB1911A1]

So then you are saying out of all the gun deaths, 99% of them were not accidents nor were they preventable?

I dont think that statement was much of a flex.

Not my article. Take it up with Amber Heard. Sorry, I meant Rich.

 

[rahl]

Loaded question

When did you stop beating your wife ?

Your citation does not say what you claimed it said. You lied about what it said. Why did you do that?

 

[rahl]

And you think that's OK ?

And how many non-fatal injuries per year are caused by gun-related "accidents" ?

Why did you lie about what your citation said?