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Can you debate gun control using only logical arguments...

You are not invested in discussion because you fail to contribute any intellectual effort.

Please continue in the same vein, as explanation why you would rather talk about me than the topic.
 
Please continue in the same vein, as explanation why you would rather talk about me than the topic.
Conversation requires active participation and you have failed to do the basic research to gain the threshold level of knowledge to formulate anything thoughtful or cogent.
 
Conversation requires active participation and you have failed to do the basic research to gain the threshold level of knowledge to formulate anything thoughtful or cogent.

Remember when you claimed firearm prevalence is important to your arguments, but also claim it can't be accurately determined? Have you researched that yet?
 
a gun laying on the ground endangers nobody
Ignorant statement. The CDC and other research organizations strongly disagree, but you know that, right? ;)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) compiles data on unintentional child gun deaths. The most recent data released on the issue is from 2023.

Data from that year shows that 143 people ages 19 and younger died from unintentional injury from a firearm.

A 2023 study done by the CDC found that roughly three-quarters of unintentional child gun deaths between 2003 and 2021 involved a firearm that was stored loaded and unlocked.

14-year-old girl accidentally shoots self, dies while filming social media video
 
2. An AR-15 is the perfect rifle to use in order to shoot feral hogs from ATV's in east Texas on my brother's ranch.
Reminded me of this scene - Crocodile Dundee (1986) Kangaroo Gun Scene


Do you spotlight them at night too?
 
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Remember when you claimed firearm prevalence is important to your arguments, but also claim it can't be accurately determined? Have you researched that yet?
All this has been covered. Your lack of understanding is due to your failure to read, refusal to learn, and failure to participate thoughtfully in the exchange. Disingenuous repetition is just plain trolling.
 
All this has been covered. Your lack of understanding is due to your failure to read, refusal to learn, and failure to participate thoughtfully in the exchange.
So refusal to accept your falsehoods as truth is my problem?
Disingenuous repetition is just plain trolling.
The irony is palpable.
 
Reminded me of this scene - Crocodile Dundee (1986) Kangaroo Gun Scene


Do you spotlight them at night too?

To exterminate pests? Who cares? Do you think we have some sort of dangerously low feral hog population?

One thing I've seen to help get rid of them is to build a trap and put slop in the trap and don't set the trap make sure they come there to get the slop over and over and over again until I feel safe there and then set the trap. Once you've trapped them shoot them all.
 
All this has been covered. Your lack of understanding is due to your failure to read, refusal to learn, and failure to participate thoughtfully in the exchange. Disingenuous repetition is just plain trolling.

Post rejected as non-specific gas.
 
Ignorant statement. The CDC and other research organizations strongly disagree, but you know that, right? ;)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) compiles data on unintentional child gun deaths. The most recent data released on the issue is from 2023.

Data from that year shows that 143 people ages 19 and younger died from unintentional injury from a firearm.

A 2023 study done by the CDC found that roughly three-quarters of unintentional child gun deaths between 2003 and 2021 involved a firearm that was stored loaded and unlocked.

14-year-old girl accidentally shoots self, dies while filming social media video

19 years old isn't a child, and you're shifting the goalposts from a gun lying there to a gun in someone's hands.

Post rejected on the basis of its disingenuous nature.
 
Ignorant statement. The CDC and other research organizations strongly disagree, but you know that, right? ;)
they are idiots

nothing laying on the ground is really dangerous if its an inanimate object (I guess an unexploded bomb could randomly explode etc) but for our discussions no

a knife will do nothing on its own, nor will a ball bat or a gun

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) compiles data on unintentional child gun deaths. The most recent data released on the issue is from 2023.

Data from that year shows that 143 people ages 19 and younger died from unintentional injury from a firearm.

A 2023 study done by the CDC found that roughly three-quarters of unintentional child gun deaths between 2003 and 2021 involved a firearm that was stored loaded and unlocked.

and the guns did nothing where they were at


SHE did that ... the gun did nothing until she picked it up and in fact, in this example? She intentionally handled it while recording a video for social media and did you read more about it ?

""WASHINGTON (7News) — A 15-year-old boy is facing charges for his alleged role in the accidental shooting death of a 14-year-old D.C. girl while filming a video for social media, according to the Metropolitan Police Department."" https://wjla.com/news/local/boy-cha...tment-may-charges-tampering-physical-evidence

so a young black kid illegally had a gun and brought it to a party where the girl handled it while videoing



the gun wasn't the problem
 
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.....In the United States, gun violence is a major public health crisis and a leading cause of preventable premature death. It is particularly stark among children and adolescents, a population for which firearm-related violence is the leading cause of death. In 2022, more than 48,000 individuals, including more than 4,600 children and adolescents, died as a result of gun violence and many more suffered nonfatal gun injuries. In addition to the direct loss of lives due to firearm violence, children and others are struggling with the mental health implications caused by the all-too-common acts of firearm violence in our schools, places of worship and other public venues where we gather with family and friends.....
 
Ignorant statement. The CDC and other research organizations strongly disagree, but you know that, right? ;)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) compiles data on unintentional child gun deaths. The most recent data released on the issue is from 2023.

Data from that year shows that 143 people ages 19 and younger died from unintentional injury from a firearm.
18 and 19 year olds are adults. Not children. Why the lie?
A 2023 study done by the CDC found that roughly three-quarters of unintentional child gun deaths between 2003 and 2021 involved a firearm that was stored loaded and unlocked.

14-year-old girl accidentally shoots self, dies while filming social media video
 
18 and 19 year olds are adults. Not children. Why the lie?
You can slice up the statistics different ways. Teenagers are, in many respects, children. 19 year olds are not fully adults but, that really does not matter. Children and young adults are disproportionately affected by firearm violence.
Rather than getting your panties in a wad, you should be concerned with the overall problem of firearm violence in America if you have any sense of awareness of the problem.
 
Let me put it this way-- do you think the prevalence of influenza should include influenza in a lab or in dead, buried patients?
That’s not even close to an apt analogy.
A firearm in secure storage can the next day be taken out and used . It can be stolen . It can be given to someone or sold.


Maybe you want to include a package of parts that can be assembled into a firearm as contributing to prevalence.
Well that would represent a risk. Or do you think ghost guns shouldn’t be counted since they are just a collection of parts that the person does the final milling. ???
Perhaps you should include firearms in Canada or Mexico as part of the American firearm prevalence because an American can go into those countries and bring back a firearm.
Actually it would more be the other way around
Those firearm become prevalent when they leave storage.
Great. Then how do you count it at all since at noon four guns can leave storage and be used by four people hunting and then go back to storage at 7pm
How do you capture that in your use of prevalence.

What you are admitting is that your statement that as prevalence of guns increases then firearm violence increases is complete bs because you have no idea what prevalence is doing.
You presumption that every firearm everywhere contributes equally to firearm violence risk demonstrates you need for simplistic generalization.
Yeah. You gun banners gotta lie.
I have not been the one screaming about risk. That’s your concept. You state there is risk from just having a firearm . But then dismiss that risk when you state prevalence.

Don’t get upset because your own logic doesn’t make sense to you.
Your meaningless attempt to skew the discussion is recognized as bogus.
Not skewing anything my friend. Don’t get upset because you’ve hoisted yourself on your own petard.
You fail to recognize that civilian legal firearms produced the criminal firearm problem
Yet you dismiss that civilian firearms initially in “ secure storage, despite the fact that they can be stolen, given away or sold and end up I. The hands of criminals.

Your own logic isn’t consistent.
and you fail to recognize alternative responses to threat because you are chronically and deeply afraid.
Sport but you need to explain why we need to disarm Americans if you already admit that there is no reason to fear
Too many firearms in the USA should address all your concerns for an explanation.
See above .
Look to Canada for the answer if you are really interested.
You are the one making the claims here. Not “ Canada “.
You claim first we should fear all the violence in America then in the next breath claim there is nothing to fear.

So please explain. Which is it?
 
You can slice up the statistics different ways. Teenagers are, in many respects, children. 19 year olds are not fully adults but, that really does not matter. Children and young adults are disproportionately affected by firearm violence.
Yeah because that's the age they're most often to be involved in organized crime.
Rather than getting your panties in a wad, you should be concerned with the overall problem of firearm violence in America if you have any sense of awareness of the problem.
Misrepresenting statistics is kind of a big issue. I don't know why you're posting about crime and violence you don't give a shit about it. It's just a vehicle to set up your dictatorship.
 
That’s not even close to an apt analogy.
perfect analogy. Storage of both.
A firearm in secure storage can the next day be taken out and used . It can be stolen . It can be given to someone or sold.
Stored firearms are less susceptible to theft or misuse. Even you know that.
Well that would represent a risk. Or do you think ghost guns shouldn’t be counted since they are just a collection of parts that the person does the final milling. ???
Define the fractional risk compared to firearms in hand or unsecured.
Actually it would more be the other way around

Great. Then how do you count it at all since at noon four guns can leave storage and be used by four people hunting and then go back to storage at 7pm
How do you capture that in your use of prevalence.
Meaningless hypothetical
What you are admitting is that your statement that as prevalence of guns increases then firearm violence increases is complete bs because you have no idea what prevalence is doing.
Explain how firearm violence can occur without access to firearms.

Yeah. You gun banners gotta lie.
I have not been the one screaming about risk.
Your concern is self-defense with firearms to be used against threat. You live in fear.
That’s your concept. You state there is risk from just having a firearm . But then dismiss that risk when you state prevalence.
You are lost in confusion. Sorry for your comprehension problems. I am sure your rambling is due to your emerging recognition that your argument promoting firearms are fundamentally wrong.
Don’t get upset because your own logic doesn’t make sense to you.

Not skewing anything my friend. Don’t get upset because you’ve hoisted yourself on your own petard.

Yet you dismiss that civilian firearms initially in “ secure storage, despite the fact that they can be stolen, given away or sold and end up I. The hands of criminals.

Your own logic isn’t consistent.
Completely consistent. You seem unable to process the nuance or understand that secure storage changes firearm risk.
By your logic, easy access to loaded firearms is no different from secure unloaded storage with firearm and ammo separated.
Sport but you need to explain why we need to disarm Americans if you already admit that there is no reason to fear
Incomprehensible statement
See above .

You are the one making the claims here. Not “ Canada “.
You claim first we should fear all the violence in America then in the next breath claim there is nothing to fear.

So please explain. Which is it?
The fear-mongering of gun culture is producing the perception of fear that promotes more firearms that then promotes more criminal firearm use. Vicious cycle.
 
All this has been covered. Your lack of understanding is due to your failure to read, refusal to learn, and failure to participate thoughtfully in the exchange. Disingenuous repetition is just plain trolling.
😂😂😂😂😂
 

.....In the United States, gun violence is a major public health crisis and a leading cause of preventable premature death.
As has already been established, there is no such thing.
It is particularly stark among children and adolescents, a population for which firearm-related violence is the leading cause of death.
Motor vehicles is the leading cause of death among children. Why do you people keep peddling this proven lie?
In 2022, more than 48,000 individuals, including more than 4,600 children and adolescents, died as a result of gun violence and many more suffered nonfatal gun injuries.
As has already been established, there is no such thing as gun violence.
In addition to the direct loss of lives due to firearm violence, children and others are struggling with the mental health implications caused by the all-too-common acts of firearm violence in our schools, places of worship and other public venues where we gather with family and friends.....
 
You can slice up the statistics different ways. Teenagers are, in many respects, children. 19 year olds are not fully adults but, that really does not matter. Children and young adults are disproportionately affected by firearm violence.
Rather than getting your panties in a wad, you should be concerned with the overall problem of firearm violence in America if you have any sense of awareness of the problem.
18 and 19 year olds are not children. They are adults.
 

.....In the United States, gun violence is a major public health crisis and a leading cause of preventable premature death. It is particularly stark among children and adolescents, a population for which firearm-related violence is the leading cause of death. In 2022, more than 48,000 individuals, including more than 4,600 children and adolescents, died as a result of gun violence and many more suffered nonfatal gun injuries. In addition to the direct loss of lives due to firearm violence, children and others are struggling with the mental health implications caused by the all-too-common acts of firearm violence in our schools, places of worship and other public venues where we gather with family and friends.....
Your source is an absolute lie. You are using a tragedy to forward a brain dead talking point you should be ashamed of yourself.

Don't worry I know you're incapable of shame you wouldn't have been posting this long if you were.

Suicide is the leading cause of unnatural death. To say it's the gun that makes people feel suicidal is the most irresponsible vile misanthropic thing I've ever heard someone say.
 
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