Can we please stop the 'good guy with a gun fallacy'?

[Lursa]

What does that have to do with gun control?

to check a poster's grasp of reality and level of bias.

 

[mrjurrs]

What does that have to do with gun control?

Nothing. It has everything to do with your perception of reality. Care to answer the question?

 

[Rucker61]

Nothing. It has everything to do with your perception of reality. Care to answer the question?

Should those with an unacceptable perception of the accepted reality be treated differently?

 

[Lursa]

Should those with an unacceptable perception of the accepted reality be treated differently?

Certainly arguments need to be structured more simply, using fewer syllables where possible, connecting the dots for them, cutting down on analogies, etc.

 

[Rucker61]

Certainly arguments need to be structured more simply, using fewer syllables where possible, connecting the dots for them, cutting down on analogies, etc.

Ok. Should someone who publicly supports the theory that 2020 suffered massive election fraud in social media be denied a concealed weapons permit in New York based purely on that position?

What if they've made no such admission but publicly support in social media a candidate for office who espouses those same election fraud beliefs? Should New York be able to deny a CCW based upon those social media positions?

 

[RF667799]

Ok. Should someone who publicly supports the theory that 2020 suffered massive election fraud in social media be denied a concealed weapons permit in New York based purely on that position?

What if they've made no such admission but publicly support in social media a candidate for office who espouses those same election fraud beliefs? Should New York be able to deny a CCW based upon those social media positions?

I think you didn't quite catch the gist of @Lursa 's comment. I could be wrong as well, but I'm thinking she was referring to making simpler arguments for those who may be not so familiar with reality.

 

[Rucker61]

I think you didn't quite catch the gist of @Lursa 's comment. I could be wrong as well, but I'm thinking she was referring to making simpler arguments for those who may be not so familiar with reality.

Perhaps. My understanding was that my argument needed to be less nebulous for readers here.

 

[Daddyo]

So now you are labeling people on what they say even if they aren't charged? Your first amendment second face is showing. (He owned the guns before posting, so your attempt to protect gun owners id...denied. He became a criminal after he was a law abiding gun owner even using your taffeta guidelines.

No matter. Had he been charged with the obvious felony those guns would have been taken away. He was a criminal before Uvalde.

 

[RF667799]

Perhaps. My understanding was that my argument needed to be less nebulous for readers here.

For some readers. Maybe I misunderstood your response.

 

[Daddyo]

Do you believe that President Biden was elected in a fair election without statistically significant voter fraud in 11.20?

No!

Is that even remotely relevant in this debate?

NO!

 

[Daddyo]

Nothing. It has everything to do with your perception of reality. Care to answer the question?

Reality and your reality are two different things. Several states election officials changed election rules during the vote count. This is illegal yet those states liberal supreme courts ruled it ok. It benefited Brandon of course. This alone means the election was BS.

Mail in ballots being sent to every registered voter a proven recipe for fraud.

Then you have the social media bias.

Then you have the fake news bias.

Billions in free benefit to the democrats.

Personally having witnessed the voter enthusiasm. With Brandon getting 15 or 20 supporters while Trump gets 15-20 thousand at
Rallies. With Brandon's very obvious mental issues. With his admitted QPQ and suspected (now proven) dealings thru hunter with many of our enemies. Media protected him remember calling the laptop from hell a republican hoax. The biggest one for me and main reason I don't believe the results......minority support. I had never spoken to/debated with so many black and hispanic supporters of the republican candidate, ever! What was normally arguments was mostly agreement. Even to the point of blacks fighting with family over Trump support.

No matter the filthy leftist is president. Gas prices up! Illegal immigration up! Inflation is up! Covid deaths up! Taxes up! The number of people believing the country is headed in the wrong direction WAY UP! Weaponization of the DOJ and IRS also WAY UP!!!

With all the known crimes from Hillary and we didn't target her criminally lol.

Your leftist filth comrades have allowed 2 million illegals in this country, you want our guns, and now you use government to squash political opponents. You have turned us into a banana republic. Smells like Cuba. Congrats!

 

[Eurotrash]

Why should it? A drunk driver running over Grandma doesn't damage automobile sales.

Please stop with the car analogies. They're fallacious.

 

[RF667799]

Please stop with the car analogies. They're fallacious.

You didn't explain how. I'll argue as I wish, anyway.
Thanks.

 

[Eurotrash]

You didn't explain how. I'll argue as I wish, anyway.
Thanks.

Argue as you wish, of course. But you may not want to look uneducated while doing it. Try to figure out why guns and cars are not analogous, and maybe come up with a legit argument.

 

[RF667799]

Argue as you wish, of course. But you may not want to look uneducated while doing it. Try to figure out why guns and cars are not analogous, and maybe come up with a legit argument.

Thanks again. I'll try to avoid the ad hominems, categorical claims, and unsupported criticisms while I'm at it.

 

[Eurotrash]

Thanks again. I'll try to avoid the ad hominems, categorical claims, and unsupported criticisms while I'm at it.

Are you trying to claim I have made such fallacious arguments? Or are you just defending your own failures of logic by generally claiming others have committed them, so you're entitled as well?

 

[RF667799]

Argue as you wish, of course. But you may not want to look uneducated while doing it. Try to figure out why guns and cars are not analogous, and maybe come up with a legit argument.

Implying that my arguments will make me "look uneducated", while not actually proposing a counter-argument, is an ad hominem,

Saying that guns and cars are not analogous, is a categorical claim. Did you mean to make such a claim- that guns and cars are never analogous? Or is your claim more that some specific analogy isn't appropriate? If so, you haven't supported that either.

And in line with the above, you still haven't actually done anything to support your criticisms. No how or why. No explanation or arguments in support of your position, Just the criticism itself.

Now...did you come into this forum to talk about gun control,or about me?

 

[Eurotrash]

Implying that my arguments will make me "look uneducated", while not actually proposing a counter-argument, is an ad hominem,

Saying that guns and cars are not analogous, is a categorical claim. Did you mean to make such a claim- that guns and cars are never analogous? Or is your claim more that some specific analogy isn't appropriate? If so, you haven't supported that either.

And in line with the above, you still haven't actually done anything to support your criticisms. No how or why. No explanation or arguments in support of your position, Just the criticism itself.

Now...did you come into this forum to talk about gun control,or about me?

Not exactly, my dear. I am implying that when you do something uneducated, you look uneducated. And I suggested you do your own research into why your analogy is fallacious in the context in which you used it. No one is paying me to construct this lesson plan for you.

 

[RF667799]

Not exactly, my dear. I am implying that when you do something uneducated, you look uneducated. And I suggested you do your own research into why your analogy is fallacious in the context in which you used it. No one is paying me to construct this lesson plan for you.

So you have nothing, and this whole exercise was about me. I am flattered.

How long are you going to be around this time?

 

[mrjurrs]

No matter. Had he been charged with the obvious felony those guns would have been taken away. He was a criminal before Uvalde.

So anyone that you believe has committed a crime is a criminal, even before they are convicted? Not in America Vlad.

 

[mrjurrs]

No!

Is that even remotely relevant in this debate?

NO!

hasta

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Nothing. It has everything to do with your perception of reality.

So it's an ad hominin. Attacking me because no one can attack my arguments.


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Please stop with the car analogies. They're fallacious.

That is incorrect. Such arguments are not fallacious.

 

[mrjurrs]

So it's an ad hominin. Attacking me because no one can attack my arguments.


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That is incorrect. Such arguments are not fallacious.

That's too funny. I went back on the thread to see what you were talking about. You make no arguments, then claim no one can attack your arguments

 

[Rucker61]

So anyone that you believe has committed a crime is a criminal, even before they are convicted? Not in America Vlad.

Anyone that commits a crime is a criminal. They aren't a convicted criminal yet.

 

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