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Can we please stop the 'good guy with a gun fallacy'?

mrjurrs said:
Gun sellers have made more than a billion dollars from the sales of AR-15's. If you think they don't smile at everything that enhances America's gun fetish, you're just not thinking.
www.forbes.com

Gunmakers Made $1 Billion From AR-15-Style Weapons In 10 Years, Lawmakers Find

Revenue from AR-15s, the semi-automatic rifles used in the Buffalo and Uvalde mass shootings, roughly tripled for two U.S. gunmakers.
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That's less than one percent of what alcohol sellers have made in the same timeframe. Where's your hate for them?
 
mrjurrs said:
Good guys guns kill as indiscriminately as a drive by gun does. Let me guess, the NRA provides those estimates?
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You should have plenty more examples then.
 
mrjurrs said:
How is this a strawman? An armed civilian with no police power killed a kid while acting in a manner he had no training for. And gun sellers across America celebrate.
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He fired at the wrong car and without being in eminent danger of death or GBH. Like the occasional cop makes a mistake. He should have been punished for it.

If I am shooting at an active shooter and one of my rounds hits and kills an innocent that is much different than shooting the wrong person who I thought was the active shooter. Both are tragic but one is placed on the badguys charge.
 
beancounter said:
No, they're celebrating that this case didn't damage their firearm sales.
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Sad that we have to fear losing our gun rights and thus sales because some Americans are so stupid that they simply can't understand that criminals will continue to break gun laws.

The fact is that historically man has ALWAYS sought to abuse, dominate, or enslave other men. While many of us understand this, others are not so well educated on this issue. They would willingly ignore the warnings from our founders and voluntarily give up the only means of preventing it and that's just moronic.

So no we don't celebrate the death of any innocent people. We just understand that while innocent deaths are vile and disgusting, disarment will eventually lead to even more death and disgust. Venezuelan's will confirm this.
 
zsu2357 said:
https://www.msllegal.com/blog/polic...s-4-year-old-girl-while-aiming-at-family-dog/ What the hell man.

https://www.aclu.org/other/7-year-o...redirect=criminal-law-reform/militarization-1 Since time lines don't seem to matter I think this was a few years back. But same outcome.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/18/us/fanta-bility-shooting-police-charged.html And lets not forget these three outstanding officers of the law that just opened up and be damned what may be in the background.

This isn't to smear police but shows all of them aren't perfect. I'll still back the everyday CHL holder.
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I fear that the police shootings will be miniscule compared to other 'good guys' with guns.
 
zsu2357 said:
I didn't realize he pulled a AR-15 out of his pants I thought it was a handgun. But then in your article it doesn't say what it was. Are you just assuming it was an AR-15 your weapon of choice.
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It wasn't an AR-15. Not much for nuance I guess?
 
Daddyo said:
He fired at the wrong car and without being in eminent danger of death or GBH. Like the occasional cop makes a mistake. He should have been punished for it.

If I am shooting at an active shooter and one of my rounds hits and kills an innocent that is much different than shooting the wrong person who I thought was the active shooter. Both are tragic but one is placed on the badguys charge.
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And the innocent person is still dead. While you celebrate that the shooter doesn't get charged.
 
mrjurrs said:
You believe the good guy premise?:ROFLMAO:
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You haven't explained what you think the "good guy premise" is, or why you think anyone else actually believes your version of it. Based on past experience, I'm going to assume it's a straw man until you explain it, which you're apparently afraid to do.
 
mrjurrs said:
The AR is one weapon. They have lots of others.
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Moving the goalposts, aye? That's fine, spit out your stats, and I'll deal with them.
 
mrjurrs said:
I fear that the police shootings will be miniscule compared to other 'good guys' with guns.
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aren't police supposed to be good guys with guns? Yet they are all vilified for the few bad eggs or shootings gone wrong.
mrjurrs said:
It wasn't an AR-15. Not much for nuance I guess?
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We know what your after. Going off of YOUR OP we don't know what it was, so how can you say it wasn't? I realize you hope and dream it was.
 
mrjurrs said:
And the innocent person is still dead. While you celebrate that the shooter doesn't get charged.
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Then maybe you should get on the Grand Jury since they saw it different. I wasn't there and neither were you.
 
mrjurrs said:
And the innocent person is still dead. While you celebrate that the shooter doesn't get charged.
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The fact that you dishonestly claim he is celebrating him not getting charged when the post you quoted says the person should have been punished says a whole lot more about you then it does him.
 
mrjurrs said:
I fear that the police shootings will be miniscule compared to other 'good guys' with guns.
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Yes a lot of people have irrational fears.

It’s not evidence of anything other then your overactive imagination.
 
mrjurrs said:
Gun sellers have made more than a billion dollars from the sales of AR-15's. If you think they don't smile at everything that enhances America's gun fetish, you're just not thinking.
www.forbes.com

Gunmakers Made $1 Billion From AR-15-Style Weapons In 10 Years, Lawmakers Find

Revenue from AR-15s, the semi-automatic rifles used in the Buffalo and Uvalde mass shootings, roughly tripled for two U.S. gunmakers.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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So you believe that we smile at Uvalde or Stoneman Douglas because of increased sales? What I want to say would violate rules. What I will say is that it sounds like you projecting your disgusting ethics. It sickens me that some are so Rabid for gun confiscation that they would stoop to the lowest of lows. I love my kids more than life. Just as others likely love their kids. Rejoicing death for profits is truely disgusting. It's worst than the other sick claim from you anti gunners that my advocation for our second amendment right is killing innocent people. Leftist filth are truely rotten disgusting human beings.
 
mrjurrs said:
People buy guns for any reason. Some people bought guns because of this result.
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That doesn't seem to have anything to do with the picture you posted.
 
mrjurrs said:
I fear that the police shootings will be miniscule compared to other 'good guys' with guns.
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Yet you only have one example. Millions of permits in Florida alone.

You fear lol.
 
mrjurrs said:
Here's one...
www.usatoday.com

Uvalde report and 'NRA Math': Why nearly 400 'good guys with guns' couldn’t stop one bad guy

How did nearly 400 good guys with guns in Uvalde not stop one bad guy with a gun? You have to understand 'NRA Math' for it to make sense.
www.usatoday.com
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Examples of "good guys" harming innocents. You should have plenty.

A badguy with a gun is not a murderer if he doesn't use the gun just as a "good guy" with a gun is not a savior if he doesn't.

Cowards need not be included in our figures.
 
Daddyo said:
Examples of "good guys" harming innocents. You should have plenty.

A badguy with a gun is not a murderer if he doesn't use the gun just as a "good guy" with a gun is not a savior if he doesn't.

Cowards need not be included in our figures.
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You make no sense. The idea of a good guy with a gun is that he will react that he will not coward. So how could you not include them?
 
mrjurrs said:
And the innocent person is still dead. While you celebrate that the shooter doesn't get charged.
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You are lying! Why? I suspect that your mother would be embarrassed at this behavior.

I believe the guy fired without being in fear of eminent death which is illegal. So don't lie.
 
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