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Can the President not fire the VP? (1 Viewer)

Aristaeus said:
They're elected in the same way a President's pet dog is elected. The VP comes with the person you elect as President.
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They are elected by convention delegates to appear on the party ballot.
 
If you want to read a riveting book about a guy who became vice president and was basically left for dead by the president and his administration, became a butt of jokes around Washington, and then fell into the presidency due to an assassination and then passed major legislation his former boss could only dream of passing read:

www.robertcaro.org

THE PASSAGE OF POWER | Robert Caro

The Passage of Power follows Lyndon Johnson through both the most frustrating and the most triumphant periods of his career—1958 to1964. It is a time that would see him trade the extraordinary power he had created for himself as Senate Majority Leader for what became the wretched powerlessness...
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j brown's body said:
If you want to read a riveting book about a guy who became vice president and was basically left for dead by the president and his administration, became a butt of jokes around Washington, and then fell into the presidency due to an assassination and then passed major legislation his former boss could only dream of passing read:

www.robertcaro.org

THE PASSAGE OF POWER | Robert Caro

The Passage of Power follows Lyndon Johnson through both the most frustrating and the most triumphant periods of his career—1958 to1964. It is a time that would see him trade the extraordinary power he had created for himself as Senate Majority Leader for what became the wretched powerlessness...
www.robertcaro.org www.robertcaro.org
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Robert Caro is a . . . incredibly unique and diligent biographer! Five stars worth.
 
Sven Karma said:
That's what it says in this article. "Trump can't fire JD Vance." Is this true? Wow if so.

politicalwire.com

Trump’s Elon Problem

Charlie Sykes: “Trump can flick Marco Rubio aside like dandruff; brush Mike Johnson off like an errant crumb; turn Pam Bondi into Nikki Haley by midnight tonight. His orbit is filled with botoxed disposables who
politicalwire.com politicalwire.com
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The VP is elected, they only way to "fire" him is to impeach him.
 
Terryj said:
Adams and Jefferson, they couldn't each other.
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I understand that originally, citizens didn't vote for a VP. And the man elected VP was the man who finished 2nd in the presidential election.
 
Sven Karma said:
That's what it says in this article. "Trump can't fire JD Vance." Is this true? Wow if so.

politicalwire.com

Trump’s Elon Problem

Charlie Sykes: “Trump can flick Marco Rubio aside like dandruff; brush Mike Johnson off like an errant crumb; turn Pam Bondi into Nikki Haley by midnight tonight. His orbit is filled with botoxed disposables who
politicalwire.com politicalwire.com
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That is correct. The president cannot fire any elected official.
 
Lycanthrope said:
If JD wants any sort of political career after Daddy is gone he will remain Daddy's quiet lil' bitch.
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Considering how much JD loathed Trump at one time I think that may be his plan.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump can't fire Vance, but he can send him off to Fargo ND to supervise the Postmaster.
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Not really. You can’t give orders to the VP either. Anything the VP does is what he wants to do.

Trump can cut him off. He can deny Vance any briefing papers or whatever. Trump can even bar Vance from the White House. But he can’t issue orders or fire Vance.
 
Sven Karma said:
Do you know of any other countries where once elected the vice president is in such an unassailable position? I can't think of any offhand. Tbh it had never previously occurred to me that such a constitutional thing could even begin to exist. Because exactly why? As my lovely gf sometimes exclaims "It doesn't make sense!".
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Well the VP is like Harry was before William and Kate had little George. The VP is the Spare. If anything happens the VP is next in line to step up.

Also the VP is Constitutionally the President of the Senste. And as we saw already the tie breaker vote.
 
SavannahMann said:
Not really. You can’t give orders to the VP either. Anything the VP does is what he wants to do.

Trump can cut him off. He can deny Vance any briefing papers or whatever. Trump can even bar Vance from the White House. But he can’t issue orders or fire Vance.
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The VP is an elected official
The only way he can be "fired" is if he was impeached and subsequently convicted.
 
Aristaeus said:
VP isn't really elected though. Not in the true sense of the word.
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Sure he/she is. If you don't like both people on the ticket, don't vote for them.
 
pinqy said:
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. They ran against each other, and at the time there was no separate vote for president and VP: most vote was president, second place VP. Because of this, the 12th amendment was passed in 1804.

Since then, each elector casts one vote for president and one vote for vice president.

By the constitution, they are NOT a package deal. That’s just how it has worked out in practice.
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Not true. The amendments are part of the Constitution, starting with the Bill of Rights, but also all the others. In that sense, they ARE a package deal from the time of the 12th A.
 
SavannahMann said:
Not really. You can’t give orders to the VP either. Anything the VP does is what he wants to do.

Trump can cut him off. He can deny Vance any briefing papers or whatever. Trump can even bar Vance from the White House. But he can’t issue orders or fire Vance.
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So what ?
Vance would still get paid - and paid for doing nothing, except acting as speaker (president) of the Senate.
 
Rich2018 said:
So what ?
Vance would still get paid - and paid for doing nothing, except acting as speaker (president) of the Senate.
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I would note that up until 1953, the Vice President rarely did anything, except preside over the Senate from day to day. Richard Nixon was the first Vice President who played any significant role in the President's administration. Alben Barkley (Truman) was the last Vice President to regularly preside over the day to day meetings of the Senate.

Constitutionally, Vance's only real obligation is to show up to break any ties that might occur. He could literally do NOTHING else and get paid for it.
 
Safiel said:
I would note that up until 1953, the Vice President rarely did anything, except preside over the Senate from day to day. Richard Nixon was the first Vice President who played any significant role in the President's administration. Alben Barkley (Truman) was the last Vice President to regularly preside over the day to day meetings of the Senate.

Constitutionally, Vance's only real obligation is to show up to break any ties that might occur. He could literally do NOTHING else and get paid for it.
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Except for showing up a few days a year for Senate duties, the job of the VP is to have a pulse.

WW
 
Sven Karma said:
That's what it says in this article. "Trump can't fire JD Vance." Is this true? Wow if so.

politicalwire.com

Trump’s Elon Problem

Charlie Sykes: “Trump can flick Marco Rubio aside like dandruff; brush Mike Johnson off like an errant crumb; turn Pam Bondi into Nikki Haley by midnight tonight. His orbit is filled with botoxed disposables who
politicalwire.com politicalwire.com
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Can America - the majority - fire Trump?

Theoretically, yes. However, as most MAGAs in both houses don’t have the balls to step up it will not happen.
 
Safiel said:
I would note that up until 1953, the Vice President rarely did anything, except preside over the Senate from day to day. Richard Nixon was the first Vice President who played any significant role in the President's administration. Alben Barkley (Truman) was the last Vice President to regularly preside over the day to day meetings of the Senate.

Constitutionally, Vance's only real obligation is to show up to break any ties that might occur. He could literally do NOTHING else and get paid for it.
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Well Tbh, what did Kamala Harris ever do as VP ?
 
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