Can the Dems nominate a woman of color or a gay man

[SNOWFLAKE]

Let's say, for sake of argument, the Democrats decide NOT to go with Joe Biden in 2024.
Should they select a woman of color like Kamala Harris or a gay man like Pete Buttigieg?

Reason I ask: I was absolutely shocked that Americans would vote for a black man, not only once, but twice. I assumed at the time - wrongly as it turns out - that the U.S. had grown up. Then Trump happened.

Joe Biden shouldn't run for another term but hey, I get no say on that, that is just my humble opinion. The question now is - do they even try a woman like Gretchen Whitmer let alone a black woman? AND YOU KNOW why I am asking. The U.S. may have come to accept a black man (and probably because he wasn't TOO black) but a woman? Or a woman of color?

Ditto with a gay man, and you all know WHY I am asking.

In order to hold on to the Presidency will the Democrats be forced to nominate another white man as they did in 2020? Gavin Newsom maybe? Even if he isn't the "preferred" candidate? Or should the Democrats risk going with a woman of color or a gay man?

Let's not devolve this thread into how senile Biden is or how unfairly Trump has been treated. This is a straight up question as to whether the U.S. can or would vote for a woman of color or a gay man.

Options above.

 

[Perotista]

Let's say, for sake of argument, the Democrats decide NOT to go with Joe Biden in 2024.
Should they select a woman of color like Kamala Harris or a gay man like Pete Buttigieg?

Reason I ask: I was absolutely shocked that Americans would vote for a black man, not only once, but twice. I assumed at the time - wrongly as it turns out - that the U.S. had grown up. Then Trump happened.

Joe Biden shouldn't run for another term but hey, I get no say on that, that is just my humble opinion. The question now is - do they even try a woman like Gretchen Whitmer let alone a black woman? AND YOU KNOW why I am asking. The U.S. may have come to accept a black man (and probably because he wasn't TOO black) but a woman? Or a woman of color?

Ditto with a gay man, and you all know WHY I am asking.

In order to hold on to the Presidency will the Democrats be forced to nominate another white man as they did in 2020? Gavin Newsom maybe? Even if he isn't the "preferred" candidate? Or should the Democrats risk going with a woman of color or a gay man?

Let's not devolve this thread into how senile Biden is or how unfairly Trump has been treated. This is a straight up question as to whether the U.S. can or would vote for a woman of color or a gay man.

Options above.

I say yes. Now it depends on who that woman of color is or who the gay man is and who their Republican opponent is. Candidates matter, not with Democrats nor with Republicans because they just vote the letter behind the name. But candidates matter with independents, they’re your swing voters.



The nitty gritty, nominating Harris would be foolish in my opinion if one wants to win the general election for the presidency. She’s very disliked by independents, 37% favorable, 52% unfavorable. History has shown folks usually won’t vote for someone they dislike. Now a Tammy Duckworth, she’s the opposite and would win the independent vote and the presidency. Candidates matter especially to independents who don’t vote the letter behind the name.

I don’t know how most Americans nor independents view Pete Buttigieg, he’s too unknown and I seen no polls on him. Now if whoever is nominated runs against Trump other than Harris, they’ll probably win as Trump is really disliked by independents, 36% favorable, 58% unfavorable. But against DeSantis, he’s seen in a favorable light, 42% favorable/36% unfavorable. But a whole lot of Americans and independents don’t know who DeSantis is unlike Trump, Biden, Harris.

The bottom line is who is nominate, woman of color, gay man, etc. is most important. You can’t just throw anyone out there of color or gay, then when they lose say America won’t elect a woman of color or a gay. Whoever is nominate has to be a high quality candidate, seen in a positive light especially by independents, be a likeable candidate, have substance and much more. Remember, candidates matter, and they matter a whole lot to independents and not to Republicans nor Democrats who only vote the letter behind the name.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I say yes. Now it depends on who that woman of color is or who the gay man is and who their Republican opponent is. Candidates matter, not with Democrats nor with Republicans because they just vote the letter behind the name. But candidates matter with independents, they’re your swing voters.



The nitty gritty, nominating Harris would be foolish in my opinion if one wants to win the general election for the presidency. She’s very disliked by independents, 37% favorable, 52% unfavorable. History has shown folks usually won’t vote for someone they dislike. Now a Tammy Duckworth, she’s the opposite and would win the independent vote and the presidency. Candidates matter especially to independents who don’t vote the letter behind the name.

I don’t know how most Americans nor independents view Pete Buttigieg, he’s too unknown and I seen no polls on him. Now if whoever is nominated runs against Trump other than Harris, they’ll probably win as Trump is really disliked by independents, 36% favorable, 58% unfavorable. But against DeSantis, he’s seen in a favorable light, 42% favorable/36% unfavorable. But a whole lot of Americans and independents don’t know who DeSantis is unlike Trump, Biden, Harris.

The bottom line is who is nominate, woman of color, gay man, etc. is most important. You can’t just throw anyone out there of color or gay, then when they lose say America won’t elect a woman of color or a gay. Whoever is nominate has to be a high quality candidate, seen in a positive light especially by independents, be a likeable candidate, have substance and much more. Remember, candidates matter, and they matter a whole lot to independents and not to Republicans nor Democrats who only vote the letter behind the name.

In principle I agree with you. I just see too many Americans still having an issue with gay people and with people of color. Polls also suggest they would rather vote for someone with a religion than an atheist. So I suppose I could have added that question as well.
Even here in Canada we have blinders on. Here one party chose a Sikh as their leader and he did not do well. That is why my choice above was maybe in another generation we might get there. I almost chose option 3 as long as the women of color isn't too black or the gay person isn't too gay. I doubt Obama would have won was he a darker shade of black.
I would love to be proven wrong though.

 

[bongsaway]

I'm interested in policy ideas more than the skin color of a person or their sexual persuasion. Grow up america.

 

[aociswundumho]

Should they select a woman of color like Kamala Harris or a gay man like Pete Buttigieg?

Even better would be the trifecta - a black, gay woman for maximum wokeness.

To answer your question, I think it depends more on whose turn it is.

 

[BirdinHand]

The pool of candidates for either side is looking a bit shallow.

 

[Lovebug]

Nominate a competent persons. The rest is just window dressing.

 

[jpevans]

In principle I agree with you. I just see too many Americans still having an issue with gay people and with people of color. Polls also suggest they would rather vote for someone with a religion than an atheist. So I suppose I could have added that question as well.
Even here in Canada we have blinders on. Here one party chose a Sikh as their leader and he did not do well. That is why my choice above was maybe in another generation we might get there. I almost chose option 3 as long as the women of color isn't too black or the gay person isn't too gay. I doubt Obama would have won was he a darker shade of black.
I would love to be proven wrong though.

Or had a Georgia drawl.

 

[Perotista]

In principle I agree with you. I just see too many Americans still having an issue with gay people and with people of color. Polls also suggest they would rather vote for someone with a religion than an atheist. So I suppose I could have added that question as well.
Even here in Canada we have blinders on. Here one party chose a Sikh as their leader and he did not do well. That is why my choice above was maybe in another generation we might get there. I almost chose option 3 as long as the women of color isn't too black or the gay person isn't too gay. I doubt Obama would have won was he a darker shade of black.
I would love to be proven wrong though.

Obama, I should say the democrats had a lot of things going for them in 2008. Mainly the economy and recession. It was an atmosphere where any democrat would have won. Even Hillary Clinton had she won the nomination over Obama. The Republicans did nominate the best candidate they had in McCain. Both were well liked, going into the election Obama had an Obama 62% favorable/35% unfavorable vs. McCain who had a 60% favorable/35% unfavorable. Both were well liked. But the situation in the country heavily favored the democrat whether Obama or someone else. Obama received 43% of the white vote, the most since Jimmy Carter in 1976 when he received 47%. Obama ‘s 43% of the white was higher than he received in 2012, higher than Hillary Clinton’s 37% and higher than Biden’s 41%. LBJ in 1964 was the last Democratic presidential candidate to win the white vote.

If the economy is thriving in 2024, that favors the Democrats, the party in power. If we are in a recession or a downturn, that would favor the Republicans or the party out of power. Obama was young and very charismatic. Harris isn’t charismatic at all. Like Trump, she’s easy to dislike. I don’t know about Buttigieg. Buttigieg outside of being gay has the problem of only being the mayor of a small city, if South Bend qualifies as a small city. A black woman has a better chance at being elected than a gay, you have this from Gallup.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx

If you scroll down it breaks it down by party and independents. I would say a black woman is no problem and very electable depending on who that black woman is. Gays may be a different matter. Only 83% of Democrats would consider voting for a gay, 82% of independents with 61% of Republicans. Republican’s aren’t going to vote for a democrat anyway. On the other hand, only 71% of Democrats would consider voting for an evangelical Christian. Again, democrats aren’t going to vote for a republican no matter what. Both parties have their hang-ups. I’ll return to the caveat, candidates’ matter, especially with independents who make up 40% plus of the electorate. Harris, I’d brand as a loser. Heck, even Democrats don’t like her much, I don’t think they’d nominate her. Another woman of color with a good economy, I think she’d win. Charisma, personality and likability count, especially among independents.

 

[Queen Margo]

Nominate a competent persons. The rest is just window dressing.

Well, Biden chose a lot of window dressing, didn't he.

 

[jpevans]

The right wing is already engaged in the character assassination of VP Harris, that was done on HRC. Before it became clear that Clinton was interested in the Oval Office, she was voted 21 times out of 23 years as Most Admired Woman in America. Benghazi was a tragedy that wasn't her fault & in the massive reverse whataboutism, R's seem to care diddly about private server issues, or mishandling of classified materials. So VP Harris is reduced to a Braying Jackass who ****ed her way to the top of state government. Which implies that she had nothing to do with moving up through the ranks. Nobody doesn't see how Bernie Sanders was frozen out in like the beginning of the primary with a united dropout of candidates throwing support to Biden, even if they agree it may have been the wise move. So any candidate has to watch their ass from both directions, will the D's approve & can the R's sully his/her name enough to draw D's away, as in HRC (who still overwhelmed in actual votes).

 

[soylentgreen]

How ****ing moronic american politics must be that it's people vote based on colour and orientation rather than actual political intelligence. What a shallow and pathetic reason to elect anyone.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Let's say, for sake of argument, the Democrats decide NOT to go with Joe Biden in 2024.
Should they select a woman of color like Kamala Harris or a gay man like Pete Buttigieg?

Reason I ask: I was absolutely shocked that Americans would vote for a black man, not only once, but twice. I assumed at the time - wrongly as it turns out - that the U.S. had grown up. Then Trump happened.

Joe Biden shouldn't run for another term but hey, I get no say on that, that is just my humble opinion. The question now is - do they even try a woman like Gretchen Whitmer let alone a black woman? AND YOU KNOW why I am asking. The U.S. may have come to accept a black man (and probably because he wasn't TOO black) but a woman? Or a woman of color?

Ditto with a gay man, and you all know WHY I am asking.

In order to hold on to the Presidency will the Democrats be forced to nominate another white man as they did in 2020? Gavin Newsom maybe? Even if he isn't the "preferred" candidate? Or should the Democrats risk going with a woman of color or a gay man?

Let's not devolve this thread into how senile Biden is or how unfairly Trump has been treated. This is a straight up question as to whether the U.S. can or would vote for a woman of color or a gay man.

Options above.

Do you ever have any thoughts at all that do not revolve around a persons skin color?

 

[jpevans]

Do you ever have any thoughts at all that do not revolve around a persons skin color?

Happy Martin Luther King jr. Day.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Do you ever have any thoughts at all that do not revolve around a persons skin color?

I could have asked would the U.S. vote for a disabled person or an atheist. It's a straight up enough question I asked, if you find yourself unable to answer the question that is your problem, not mine. If on the other had you are unwilling to answer the question, considering your history on here, we can guess why you would be unwilling.

 

[Queen Margo]

Happy Martin Luther King jr. Day.

So with this answer, you too are just stuck on skin color.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

I'm interested in policy ideas more than the skin color of a person or their sexual persuasion. Grow up america.

I am on the same page as you, but given how some - maybe most - people vote, can a woman of color or a gay man win?? Remember, a lot of people already vote strictly on party affiliation, as well as on looks, money and power, charisma. AND YES, on color and sexual orientation.

 

[Queen Margo]

I could have asked would the U.S. vote for a disabled person or an atheist. It's a straight up enough question I asked, if you find yourself unable to answer the question that is your problem, not mine. If on the other had you are unwilling to answer the question, considering your history on here, we can guess why you would be unwilling.

but you didn't.

 

[jpevans]

So with this answer, you too are just stuck on skin color.

Today is Martin Luther King jr Day. Hope it's happy for you.

 

[Queen Margo]

I am on the same page as you, but given how some - maybe most - people vote, can a woman of color or a gay man win?? Remember, a lot of people already vote strictly on party affiliation, as well as on looks, money and power, charisma. AND YES, on color and sexual orientation.

That's how Obama got elected.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

So with this answer, you too are just stuck on skin color.

I find it interesting that when someone asks a straight up question there are those who CAN NOT or WILL NOT answer the question. If I had asked would American voters vote for a disabled person, would you have cried "you are stuck on someone's disability?" NOPE, the fact that you can NOT answer the question as posed tells us you don't wanna answer the question posed. Simple as that.

 

[Airyaman]

Not sure about gay people, but sure, they could nominate a woman of color. They just need to find someone with some charisma. Kamala doesn't have the "it" factor, and it has nothing to do with her sex or race...she's just awkward and doesn't speak well.

 

[Queen Margo]

Today is Martin Luther King jr Day. Hope it's happy for you.

Why would I not be happy to honor someone with remarkable insight!

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

That's how Obama got elected.

money and power - and that is how Trump got elected, BUT that is not the question here, if you don't want to answer the question posed on this thread, kindly do the adult thing and move to another thread instead of using this one to post asinine responses.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Not sure about gay people, but sure, they could nominate a woman of color. They just need to find someone with some charisma. Kamala doesn't have the "it" factor, and it has nothing to do with her sex or race...she's just awkward and doesn't speak well.

THANK YOU! It's nice to see some people can answer the question as presented instead of whining about the tone of the thread.