can someone tell me any objective benefit of gun registration?[W488, 1267]

[TurtleDude]

Since criminals and others who cannot legally own a gun cannot be forced-pursuant to the fifth amendment-to register a weapon they possess?

 

[shlunka]

Um, well, er, *raises hand* there's, uh, *lowers hand*

 

[Del Zeppnile]

Gun registration saves the taxpayers lots of money...

It makes rounding them up so much more efficient.

 

[Wiseone]

Since criminals and others who cannot legally own a gun cannot be forced-pursuant to the fifth amendment-to register a weapon they possess?

That's not what the 5th amendment means, if you're a criminal who cannot legally own a gun and there was a gun registration law in effect then you would be guilty of owning an unregistered weapon.

However if a cop were to ask you on the street if you had a weapon even if he knew you would not legally own one your 5th amendment protects you from being compelled to answer that question.

 

[TurtleDude]

That's not what the 5th amendment means, if you're a criminal who cannot legally own a gun and there was a gun registration law in effect then you would be guilty of owning an unregistered weapon.

However if a cop were to ask you on the street if you had a weapon even if he knew you would not legally own one your 5th amendment protects you from being compelled to answer that question.

you obviously don't know the case law. or what I was talking about

 

[Wiseone]

you obviously don't know the case law. or what I was talking about

And you aren't clarifying what you were talking about you because why?

 

[MaggieD]

Since criminals and others who cannot legally own a gun cannot be forced-pursuant to the fifth amendment-to register a weapon they possess?

It helps the coppers obtain evidence against those legal gun owners who commit crimes with them.

Bobby Jo was murdered with a .38. Her husband has one registered. Uh-oh.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Accountability.

 

[TurtleDude]

It helps the coppers obtain evidence against those legal gun owners who commit crimes with them.

Bobby Jo was murdered with a .38. Her husband has one registered. Uh-oh.

do you actually have any evidence of that happening? btw that doesn't establish guilt

 

[TurtleDude]

Accountability.

typical stupid throwaway bit of nonsense.

but it serves a use

you hate gun owners

you support registration

that proves that registration is designed or supported to harass gun owners

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Turtle - did you forget to buy a new shift-key?

*Donates to Turtledude's 'shift-key' fund.*

 

[TurtleDude]

Turtle - did you forget to buy a new shift-key?

*Donates to Turtledude's 'shift-key' fund.*

is this what is called thread derailment?

 

[MaggieD]

do you actually have any evidence of that happening? btw that doesn't establish guilt

Turtle, you know it happens. It's an investigative avenue for crime-solving. I realize it establishes nothing except that the spouse owns a gun. Next questions: Where is it? Has it been fired? Do the ballistics match? Who else had access? Anyone else's fingerprints on it?

Hey!! I'm no turnip. I watch CSI.

 

[TurtleDude]

Turtle, you know it happens. It's an investigative avenue for crime-solving. I realize it establishes nothing except that the spouse owns a gun. Next questions: Where is it? Has it been fired? Do the ballistics match? Who else had access? Anyone else's fingerprints on it?

Hey!! I'm no turnip. I watch CSI.

why is it that Hawaii, which has had gun registration for years, is never cited by gun haters as proof registration helps solve crime

 

[MaggieD]

why is it that Hawaii, which has had gun registration for years, is never cited by gun haters as proof registration helps solve crime

I don't know. Maybe gun haters aren't as smart as I am.

 

[TurtleDude]

I don't know. Maybe gun haters aren't as smart as I am.

Gun haters are often as smart as they are dishonest. but if they could find an objective study, they'd cite it

they cannot

 

[aheeejd]

Also helps the crime fighters, if they were to recover a stolen gun, to be returned to its rightful owner. Many many common sense reasons for gun registration.

 

[TurtleDude]

Also helps the crime fighters, if they were to recover a stolen gun, to be returned to its rightful owner. Many many common sense reasons for gun registration.

a moronic claim. if the GUN IS STOLEN, then the owner reports it to the police. does the same thing with none of the problems.

what are the commons sense reasons? confiscation and harassing gun owners don't count

 

[Buck Ewer]

Also helps the crime fighters, if they were to recover a stolen gun, to be returned to its rightful owner. Many many common sense reasons for gun registration.

Common sense seems to be pretty uncommon around here.

 

[TurtleDude]

Common sense seems to be pretty uncommon around here.

common sense has no value to anti gun extremists

 

[TurtleDude]

The only question about gun registration
4. People have said to me, "But Alan, if all guns were registered and there was a crime, then you could tell."

Tell what? If your neighbor is shot, that's not probable cause to search everyone with a matching caliber in a ten-block radius. The evidence needed to conclusively link a person to a crime has no connection at all to a registration plan -- you need motive, opportunity, witnesses, physical evidence, the murder weapon. Police aren't waiting for official lists so they can start catching murderers. Gun registration schemes lack a crime prevention component.

5. You don't really think authorities would use gun registration lists to confiscate weapons from people, do you?

Despite real-life examples recently of exactly that in New York, California and Louisiana, and global history for the past century, this couldn't really happen, do you think? Who would even support such a thing in a country like America, with its Bill of Rights? The guarantees against confiscating property, unwarranted seizures and the right to keep and bear arms would surely forestall any such abuse of power. Are there really U.S. politician who would support firearm seizures? (Unfortunately, it's a long list of usual suspects.)

 

[MaggieD]

Gun haters are often as smart as they are dishonest. but if they could find an objective study, they'd cite it

they cannot

Well, I don't need an objective study to prove to me something my common sense understands. Your OP asked for a reason. I gave you the only one I could think of that didn't involve raising revenue. *shrug*

Certainly in states that require gun registration, coppers are using that data base as a crime-solving tool. How effective it is? Well, that's a different question. But certainly, when a spouse is dead, since the other spouse is the first person of interest, I'm sure that's something they routinely check. And so they should.

I was poking around re our dialogue here and ran across this very interesting story. I think you'd be very interested in the statistics it offers especially those that talk about the number of times a legal gun is used in self defense each year.

Disarming the Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby - Forbes

 

[TurtleDude]

Also helps the crime fighters, if they were to recover a stolen gun, to be returned to its rightful owner. Many many common sense reasons for gun registration.

I guess this was a drive by post. no follow up

 

[CalGun]

Registration enables taxation, regulation and ultimately confiscation.

 

[Del Zeppnile]

It helps the coppers obtain evidence against those legal gun owners who commit crimes with them.

Bobby Jo was murdered with a .38. Her husband has one registered. Uh-oh.

Registration is obviously not about crime because the number of gun crimes committed by legal gun owners is so small that it is basically insignificant.