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Can someone still be a patriot and brandish a flag of treason?

Can someone still be a patriot and brandish a flag of treason?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 21.7%

  • No

    Votes: 54 78.3%
  • Total voters
    69
Robertinfremont said:
People talking on this ignore that had Lincoln refused to invade the South, nobody today would be discussing his war or the states leaving the Union.

We would treat them like we treat Canada and better than we treat Mexico.
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Man you love traitors to America
 
Robertinfremont said:
People talking on this ignore that had Lincoln refused to invade the South, nobody today would be discussing his war or the states leaving the Union.

We would treat them like we treat Canada and better than we treat Mexico.
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Lincoln didn't have a choice. The south committed treason. Did the British let us go without a war? Like I said if you are going to pull that stunt you better think twice.
 
99percenter said:
Lincoln didn't have a choice. The south committed treason. Did the British let us go without a war? Like I said if you are going to pull that stunt you better think twice.
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Similar to how Democrats today devote cities as sanctuary cities and defy the Feds. Treason you say?
 
Fledermaus said:
That is what I am asking YOU.

Flying the flag of a former combatant. Is that treason?

According to your logic it is.
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Confederate flag is a symbol of treason. Not sure I can say anyother flag is. The NAZI and soviet flag is disgusting but they never committed treason against the US.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The South viewed themselves as fighting to save the “Southern“ way of life; a way of life in which African Americans were nothing more than cattle, to be used and abused at the whims of the “master race”. As the years went on the South became more committed in its defense of slavery, not less, even as most of the rest of the world disposed of the “peculiar institution“. At the end of the day the Confederate cause was integrally wrapped up in preserving slavery; the rest was flowery words invented after the fact so that Southerners wouldn’t have to feel bad about the fact their ancestors marched off to war in order to keep owning other human beings. The “Lost Cause” is nothing more than a pack of vile lies wrapped in utter bullshit.
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"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races... while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln, 4th Lincoln-Douglas Debate

Again, I'm not going to deny that Slavery is the Souths's "great black mark" upon its history. But claiming like the North had the absolute moral high ground in the Civil War is simply bunk.

By and large, other than a generalized sense of distaste, the North could not have cared less about Slavery, or Blacks. They went to war simply to hold onto what they perceived as being "their land" (regardless of whether the spirit of the American Revolution, or the people actually living on that land, agreed or not), and out of a macho sense of bravado which lead them to believe they could easily put "backwards" uppity Southerners in their place. They got the absolute piss slapped out of them - by forces a fraction of their size, no less - for their arrogance. Quite frankly, they kind of deserved it.

That lead them to step back and re-evaluate, and come back to the conflict with a cause that was a bit more morally worthwhile.
 
99percenter said:
Many folks who display the confederate flag consider themselves patriots. Why not display the American flag to show their patriotism?
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They ARE patriotic! To the Confederacy - not to the Republic.
 
Hatuey said:
Imagine defending Clax's saying of nothing just so the guy could confuse defining an object as a traitor, someone who commits treason, with having qualities denoting treason.

Cringe level maximized.
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There is that bad habit going again. Calling out posters.
 
99percenter said:
No they did not have the right. Who approved there secession? Congress? The President? Scotus? No one. States can't unilaterally leave the union. It's unconstitutional.
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Who approved the American Revolution? The King? The Church of England?

By the spirit of the American Revolution, and the Liberal values it is based upon, self-determination, even by means secession, is a human right; nothing more, and nothing less.

Claiming otherwise is blatant hypocrisy. And yes, the Union absolutely were hypocrites.
 
Rhakron90 said:
"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races... while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abraham Lincoln, 4th Lincoln-Douglas Debate

Again, I'm not going to deny that Slavery is the Souths's "great black mark" upon its history. But claiming like the North had the absolute moral high ground in the Civil War is simply bunk.

By and large, other than a generalized sense of distaste, the North could not have cared less about Slavery, or Blacks. They went to war simply to hold onto what they perceived as being "their land" (regardless of whether the spirit of the American Revolution, or the people actually living on that land, agreed or not), and out of a macho sense of bravado which lead them to believe they could easily put "backwards" uppity Southerners in their place. They got the absolute piss slapped out of them - by forces a fraction of their size, no less - for their arrogance. Quite frankly, they kind of deserved it.

That lead them to step back and re-evaluate, and come back to the conflict with a cause that was a bit more morally worthwhile.
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Even in the north when Abe invaded VA a lot of hell was raised against Abe in the north.

As it was, he got fewer than 40 percent of the vote.
 
Rhakron90 said:
Who approved the American Revolution? The King? The Church of England?

By the spirit of the American Revolution, and the Liberal values it is based upon, self-determination, even by means secession, is a human right; nothing more, and nothing less.

Claiming otherwise is blatant hypocrisy. And yes, the Union absolutely were hypocrites.
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Like I said I have no problem if the british consider us traitors.
 
Rhakron90 said:
Who approved the American Revolution? The King? The Church of England?

By the spirit of the American Revolution, and the Liberal values it is based upon, self-determination, even by means secession, is a human right; nothing more, and nothing less.

Claiming otherwise is blatant hypocrisy. And yes, the Union absolutely were hypocrites.
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Confederates were traitors to AMERICA
 
99percenter said:
LOL. Did you forget who won the civil war?
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And it took how long, and how many battles (often embarassingly) lost? Against a nation with a quarter of the North's population, 10% of its industrial capacity, and an economy absolutely crippled by blockade?

The North ultimately won simply because Grant realized that he had more bodies to lose than Lee did, and subsequently kept pushing ahead regardless of the casualties required.
 
Rhakron90 said:
And it took how long, and how many battles (often embarassingly) lost? Against a nation with a quarter of the North's population, 10% of its industrial capacity, and an economy absolutely crippled by blockade?

The North ultimately won simply because Grant realized that he had more bodies to lose than Lee did, and subsequently kept pushing ahead regardless of the casualties required.
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Yeah the south got their asses kicked
 
vegas giants said:
Confederates were traitors to AMERICA
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99percenter said:
It's a very hard concept for them to grasp.
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Yes, yes... I'm well aware of the "unga-boonga" logic you people claim to be using here. :rolleyes:

Doesn't change the fact that most of Founding Fathers would disown you over it, as a bunch of absolutely deplorable hypocrites.
 
Rhakron90 said:
Yes, yes... I'm well aware of the "unga-boonga" logic you people claim to be using here. :rolleyes:

Doesn't change the fact that most of Founding Fathers would disown you over it.
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BS.

You support people who renounced their citizenship, formed a new country and took up arms against Americans after attacking them first.


Disgusting
 
99percenter said:
Confederate flag is a symbol of treason. Not sure I can say anyother flag is. The NAZI and soviet flag is disgusting but they never committed treason against the US.
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I didn't say Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union commited treason.

I asked if those who fly the flag of a former enemy combatant is treason?

Because that is what flying a confederate flag is.
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah the south got their asses kicked
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Yeah... No. The North won, but they got beat bloody in the process, and ultimately had to fight like a dirty little bitch to even accomplish it.
 
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