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Can someone Gay-Trans etc. be Saved?

He can be saved no matter, all people can.
 
VySky said:
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
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First, the word “gay” denotes sexual orientation and the notion of sexual orientation was nonexistent prior to Christ, during the life of Paul, and long after Paul.

The NT and OT verses condemn same sex acts, not an attraction to someone of the same sex.

As for transgender, there are OT verses forbidding a man to dress as a woman and a woman to address as a man. This conduct received the strongest condemnation of “abomination,” meaning “inherently evil.”

Whether they are “saved” isn’t for us to determine.

Can they receive salvation? Yes.
 
MrWonka said:
No, it would be medically and scientifically unacceptable, because it's doctors and scientists who are in almost unanimous agreement that you're ****ing wrong.
That's why year after year more and more scientists and medical professionals are voting Democrat.
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As we all know, 98% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
 
If your god doesn't like LGBT people then why does he keep having cisgender and heterosexual couples continue to give birth to them, for over 2500 years?

Maybe conservative christian instead of rely on a mistranslated version of Leviticus 19, they instead should obey the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 7:1, 7:12, 25:40 and 19:21. Or would obeying Jesus infringe on your religious beliefs?
 
VySky said:
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
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Why would they need to be "saved" because of the way that God created them?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Why would they need to be "saved" because of the way that God created them?
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Apparently their omniscient (all knowing) and omnipotent (all powerful) god creates defective people and blames them for being defective. In US consumer law their god would be subject to lemon laws, class action lawsuits, possible manslaughter charges if that defects causes somones death, and a recall to fix the product but in the christian religion willfully making a defective product permissible and subject to worshiping the person who does it.


He knew they were going to be LGBT and he could have made them cisgender and heterosexual because he is omnipotent but their supposed god didn't do that. Instead he blamed them for his willful and negligent actions. I'm not sure if that would be considered the work of a sociopath or a psychopath.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Well then we needn't bother ourselves with the question - right?
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Not really. Its a question that generates discussion.

And maybe, somewhere in there, someone hears God calling them and they repent and accept the Hol[y Spirit.
 
Being gay is not a sin.

Acting on gay desires is a sin.

So technically, someone can be gay and be saved by staying celibate.
 
VySky said:
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
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What sins are, were enumerated by Christ Himself.
He clearly stated the sins that would prevent us from entering the Kingdom of God.


No matter how grievous a sin is, there is always CHRIST's promise for forgiveness.
We can depend on that.

However, there is also a caveat to forgiveness. REPENTANCE.



If there is no time for repentance - if someone on his deathbed confesses and asks for forgiveness, would that count?
I don't know the answer to that. The sincerity and feelings of remorse of the person might count.


In the end, it's ONLY GOD who can Judge.................................. for nothing is hidden from Him.
 
VySky said:
But they must repent which leads back to the question.
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If Jesus died for our sins, isn't it just a matter of accepting his sacrifice?
 
NotreDame said:
As for transgender, there are OT verses forbidding a man to dress as a woman and a woman to address as a man. This conduct received the strongest condemnation of “abomination,” meaning “inherently evil.”
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Do you mean, "drag?"

With transgender, I think it connotes a sex-change.



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tosca1 said:
If there is no time for repentance - if someone on his deathbed confesses and asks for forgiveness, would that count?
I don't know the answer to that. The sincerity and feelings of remorse of the person might count.
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If someone repents on his death bed, you already have the answer from the Cross to the second thief, possibly named Dismas.
 
nota bene said:
If someone repents on his death bed, you already have the answer from the Cross to the second thief, possibly named Dismas.
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That's an excellent example!
Yes, indeed!

Thanks for the reminder.
 
tosca1 said:
That's an excellent example!
Yes, indeed!

Thanks for the reminder.
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Wouldn't that mean that the only "rational" time to "repent" is immediately prior to dying as doing so before that time means that there is a possibility of back-sliding and not re-repenting in time?
 
NatMorton said:
Speaking in a moral context, for I'm in no position to speak from a religious one, no, neither is a sin.

Clinically speaking, homosexuality is a kind of birth defect; that's not anything the woke left wants to hear, but if you think about it in a Darwinian sense, aiming one's sexual interest at someone of your gender isn't exactly what you were designed for as it's not an ideal strategy for getting more of your genes into the next generation.

If by trans you mean having gender dysphoria, that's a mental health condition.

Neither status is worthy of any kind of moral condemnation. It's not as if either group makes a choice; neither is either condition, per se, harmful to others.
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A birth defect.
Like being left handed?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Wouldn't that mean that the only "rational" time to "repent" is immediately prior to dying as doing so before that time means that there is a possibility of back-sliding and not re-repenting in time?
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One thing we know for certain - God is no fool.

We have to contemplate on what transpired during that brief time on the cross with the thief.
Obviously, Christ had seen something in the thief which sufficed as an act of "repentance."





Jesus and the two men were nailed to the crosses and waited to die. As the people gathered, weeping could be heard throughout the land. While some cried, others shouted for Jesus to save Himself.

“He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.” (Matthew 27:42 NIV)
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Even then, people were putting conditions on believing in God. If Jesus came down from the cross, they would believe. They were not living by faith, only by sight.

As one man spoke to Jesus and mocked Him, the other man believed Jesus was the Messiah and asked to be remembered by Him.



“One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!” But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” (Luke 23:39-41 NIV)
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The man spoke. “Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:42-43 NIV)



Without the life story of the criminal being recorded, how do we know his belief was real?
Jesus knew, and that is what matters. The thief was ready to change his ways, even at the last moment.


www.christianity.com

Why Did Jesus Tell the Thief “Today You Will Be With Me in Paradise”?

Jesus' words to the thief on the cross, "today you will be with me in paradise," may be the most shocking thing he said on Good Friday. Can we really receive salvation at the very last minute? Here's what we know about the thief on the cross, and what Jesus' words meant.
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tosca1 said:
What sins are, were enumerated by Christ Himself.
He clearly stated the sins that would prevent us from entering the Kingdom of God.


No matter how grievous a sin is, there is always CHRIST's promise for forgiveness.
We can depend on that.

However, there is also a caveat to forgiveness. REPENTANCE.



If there is no time for repentance - if someone on his deathbed confesses and asks for forgiveness, would that count?
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If one believes God is omniscient, then perhaps God would know who would have repented if they lived long enough to do so. Perhaps that counts for something.
tosca1 said:
I don't know the answer to that. The sincerity and feelings of remorse of the person might count.


In the end, it's ONLY GOD who can Judge.................................. for nothing is hidden from Him.
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tosca1 said:
One thing we know for certain - God is no fool.

We have to contemplate on what transpired during that brief time on the cross with the thief.
Obviously, Christ had seen something in the thief which sufficed as an act of "repentance."





Jesus and the two men were nailed to the crosses and waited to die. As the people gathered, weeping could be heard throughout the land. While some cried, others shouted for Jesus to save Himself.



Even then, people were putting conditions on believing in God. If Jesus came down from the cross, they would believe. They were not living by faith, only by sight.

As one man spoke to Jesus and mocked Him, the other man believed Jesus was the Messiah and asked to be remembered by Him.





The man spoke. “Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:42-43 NIV)



Without the life story of the criminal being recorded, how do we know his belief was real?
Jesus knew, and that is what matters. The thief was ready to change his ways, even at the last moment.


www.christianity.com

Why Did Jesus Tell the Thief “Today You Will Be With Me in Paradise”?

Jesus' words to the thief on the cross, "today you will be with me in paradise," may be the most shocking thing he said on Good Friday. Can we really receive salvation at the very last minute? Here's what we know about the thief on the cross, and what Jesus' words meant.
www.christianity.com www.christianity.com
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I appreciate the sincerity of your beliefs.

Unfortunately they don't line up with mine.

You aren't likely to change the way that "God" has caused me to believe, and I have absolutely no interest in changing the way that "God" has caused you to believe.

PS - You do realize that "The Bible" was written by people with a vested personal and financial interest is having people believe that what they said was true was actually true REGARDLESS of whether or not what they said was actually true - don't you?

PPS - You do realize that there is a difference between "the lessons in 'The Bible'" and "The _[fill in the blank]_ Church" - don't you?

PPPS - You do realize that (absent "Jesus is God") "the lessons in 'The Bible'" are almost identical to the lessons taught by every other "religion" - don't you?

PPPPS - You do realize that there is no "RULE" that says that "God" can not talk to different people using different metaphors at different times - don't you?
 
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