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Can someone Gay-Trans etc. be Saved?

A fellow some of you may have heard of or read about surprised some conservatives recently. The man doesn't agree with those evangelicals and certain Catholic bishops who are so filled with anger about our LGBT family, friends and neighbours gaining protection from the bigoted.

A Nation With Few Catholics Gives Pope a Welcome Fit for an Emperor

Mongolia put its history and culture on display as Pope Francis visited the Asian nation. Although it was the first trip to the country by a Roman Catholic pontiff, he noted that the two entities have ties dating back many centuries.

For those blocked by the Times paywall

Pope Francis and Mongolia's Catholics under one roof at papal Mass


ULAANBAATAR(Reuters) -In an unprecedented event, Pope Francis and just about the entire Catholic population of a country were in the same room when he presided at a Mass in Mongolia's capital on Sunday.​

The Mass in Ulaanbaatar's Steppe Arena was the religious highlight of the pope's trip to visit the Catholic community of just 1,450. Most of Mongolia's population of about 3.3 million are Buddhists.
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Several Buddhist monks in their saffron robes attended the Mass, which was conducted in Mongolian, English and Italian.
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The inter-religious meeting was attended by leaders representing Mongolian Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, evangelical and Orthodox Christians, Mormons, Hindus, Shintos, Bahais and shamans.

"Brothers and sisters, today we are meeting together as the humble heirs of ancient schools of wisdom. In our encounter with one another, we want to share the great treasure we have received, for the sake of enriching a humanity so often led astray on its journey by the myopic pursuit of profit and material comfort," he said.

Francis,86, quoted from a writing of the Buddha that says "the wise man rejoices in giving", noting it was similar to Jesus' saying "Itis more blessed to give than to receive".

He condemned "narrowness, unilateral imposition, fundamentalism and ideological constraint", saying they destroy fraternity, fuel tensions and compromise peace.

"There can be no mixing, then, of religious beliefs and violence, of holiness and oppression, of religious traditions and sectarianism, "Francis said.
 
Who does or does not go to heaven is above my pay grade, for the most part.

However, half a century of studying scripture does not leave me optimistic about their chances, I'm afraid. I do not say that with glee, but with sadness, btw.
So the sum total of God's creation exists strictly in the flawed writings of man? Maybe spend less time with books
 
I may be a member of a particular denomination, but I'm not following any teachings by any particular organized church.
I'm trying to follow the teachings of Christ.
I'm learning from what is written in the Bible.


I believe the Bible is GOD-inspired..................................because of God.
He caused me to believe that.


He showed me too, that He can communicate thru the Bible.









I don't think that's true.


I don't see that in Buddhism (as an example). Or, Wiccan.
Or, Shinto.
I don't see it in the Methodist Church of today, as given in another thread.




I don't see it in churches that celebrate same-sex marriages.

Therefore - I don't know what you mean.





Some lessons may have some similarities to the lessons in the Bible. Like charity, compassion, the golden rule....
That shouldn't be surprising.
After all, man is made in the image of God (which include reflecting the morals that God has).
and we've been given intelligence (critical thinking) on top of that.








Who's saying God can't communicate with other people in ways He'd want to?
After all - He did communicate with non-believers.
So the Bible is your god? Meaning you are more of a biblicist than a Christian?

The Bible itself says otherwise. Matthew 18:20 it didn't reference a book that wouldn't exist for another 300 years.
 
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So the sum total of God's creation exists strictly in the flawed writings of man? Maybe spend less time with books

As I said, the question is really above my pay grade... God will have mercy on whom He will.

Not one of us deserves to go to heaven... if we go, it is by Jesus' grace.
 
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?

Being gay is no more a sin than feeling temptation to commit adultery
But the act can send you to Hell.
Never despair but don't call perversion okay as if God will wink at it.
 
the holier than thou humans are something aren't they?



they're basically no different than that busybody woman on the Andy Griffith show.
 
Jesus forgives past sins, yes...but he also expects a person to turn around and stop doing what he was doing...
if a theoretical parent let their own theoretical kid die because they refused them a blood transfusion after a theoretical car wreck can the theoretical parent be saved?
 
can a man who cheated on his wife with a porn star (and then paid her off) be saved?
 
if a theoretical parent let their own theoretical kid die because they refused them a blood transfusion after a theoretical car wreck can the theoretical parent be saved?
They can still become saved, and possibly even be saved but they are limiting GOD's ability to apply others in achieving HIS outcome. I believe GOD gave man the ability to consider transfusions as a means to save lives and bring blessings to others.
 
How many LGBTQ people you know are worried about being saved from anything other than the ignorant, the prejudiced, conservative politicians and the religious right?

That's who they need to be saved from.
 
How many LGBTQ people you know are worried about being saved from anything other than the ignorant, the prejudiced, conservative politicians and the religious right?

That's who they need to be saved from.
You would be surprised how many gays go to church. They just feel more welcomed in some than others.
 
The one thing that successive generations of Christians have in common is that they "recreated God in their own image!"

What we've inherited since the time of Emperor Constantine in the 3rd C is the "Imperial Church" - once converted to Christianity, kings and rulers wanted their religion to reflect the secular version of their success with a parallel set of institutions!

The construction of great cathedrals siphoned off much of the wealth under the Church's stewardship, that should have gone to the poor and destitute!


The Church embracing ceremonies with the emphasis on ostentatious pomp and circumstance was also intended to impress its audience - its prominent role in coronations was "a marriage of convenience," where in exchange for providing the monarch with "God's seal of approval" the Church was rewarded with a privileged position!

Much of what had been traditionally associated with Christianity, has absolutely no basis in Scripture - in fact, Christ and many of the prophets in the Old Testament who had been sent by God, put to death, often at the insistence of the
establish religious leaders who viewed them as a threat!
 
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If you mean saved in the Biblical sense, the answer is no. First John 3:9 says "No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God." Notice the terms "makes a practice of sinning" and "keep on sinning". That refers to ongoing sin that one does not repent of.
This presents somewhat of a paradox. How long one can "keep on sinning" depends on when one dies. The longer one lives sinning, the longer he has to repent. A sinner for 60 years can repent at 61 and live for 20 more. If this same sinner were murdered at 40, then through no fault of his own, he is lost to eternal punishment. A benevolent god would not allow this. And it reduces free will to a time-based roll of the dice.
 
This presents somewhat of a paradox. How long one can "keep on sinning" depends on when one dies. The longer one lives sinning, the longer he has to repent. A sinner for 60 years can repent at 61 and live for 20 more. If this same sinner were murdered at 40, then through no fault of his own, he is lost to eternal punishment. A benevolent god would not allow this. And it reduces free will to a time-based roll of the dice.

my bible says: 'today is the day of Salvation'

people what are you waiting for?


adopted dedadffssfgng.gif.......you can be like Jesus and live holy; the heavenly rewards are worth it.
 
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
The Bible says he who believes in Jesus shall be saved. So yes. If we're to assume being gay or trans is a sin, then they can be saved.
 
The Bible says he who believes in Jesus shall be saved. So yes. If we're to assume being gay or trans is a sin, then they can be saved.
"The Bible" also says that [1] God is infinitely forgiving and compassionate and [2] there are things which God will punish by inflicting everlasting torment upon the doers.

You do have to be really impressed by a God that is simultaneously "all compassion and forgiveness" and "all vengeance and punishment".
 
"all vengeance and punishment".
But He's not...

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We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?

Be "saved"? You mean like in a savings account?

Saved from illness? Saved for a rainy day?

Start making sense Mycroft.
 
"The Bible" also says that [1] God is infinitely forgiving and compassionate and [2] there are things which God will punish by inflicting everlasting torment upon the doers.

You do have to be really impressed by a God that is simultaneously "all compassion and forgiveness" and "all vengeance and punishment".
This is really insightful, even though it might not be intended. God is everything, the good and the bad. Literally everything. For people who truly understand this compassion for life is inevitable and automatic.
 
But He's not...

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That's not what "The One True Religion" (as retailed by "The Roman Catholic Church INC") says.

Heck, even some "evangelical" religions tell you that's not the case and will expel you for "heresy" if you say it is.
 
That's not what "The One True Religion" (as retailed by "The Roman Catholic Church INC") says.

Heck, even some "evangelical" religions tell you that's not the case and will expel you for "heresy" if you say it is.
I'm not worried...
 
We don’t need to go over scripture. The answer I think could be a ‘depends’

Is being Trans or Gay a sin?

Because Jesus forgives sin

What say you?
Yes, but NOT against their will

God can and wants to save the adulterer but He does not want adultery
 
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