Can pro life defend their position

[MAGAnificent]

The point is why did she have to leave the state to get life saving care?

Nope the point is that the Texas abortion laws did not kill her. Nothing was preventing her from seeking an abortion out of state. It's not hard to do. I travelled two states over late last year for surgery. And the state where I had the surgery borders Texas.

 

[jaeger19]

Nope the point is that the Texas abortion laws did not kill her. Nothing was preventing her from seeking an abortion out of state. It's not hard to do. I travelled two states over late last year for surgery. And the state where I had the surgery borders Texas.

The point is the Texas abortion law did kill her.
You admit that when you keep saying that “ she could have sought an abortion out of state”

Thats an admittance that the Texas law killed her.

And again you fail to answer. So is your expectation that she should have diagnosed her own medical issue then travel to a state where she could get a procedure she didn’t know she needed?

 

[MAGAnificent]

The point is the Texas abortion law did kill her.

Nope. The point is that the Texas abortion laws absolutely did not kill her. An incompeten medical team in Texas did.

You admit that when you keep saying that “ she could have sought an abortion out of state”

And your bringing that up backs up my point. She did have the option to seek an abortion elsewhere.

Thats an admittance that the Texas law killed her.

And again you fail to answer. So is your expectation that she should have diagnosed her own medical issue then travel to a state where she could get a procedure she didn’t know she needed?

A competent medical team would have given her better advice.

 

[jaeger19]

Nope. The point is that the Texas abortion laws absolutely did not kill her. An incompeten medical team in Texas did.

And your bringing that up backs up my point. She did have the option to seek an abortion elsewhere.



A competent medical team would have given her better advice.

Great. Yet again explain how the Texas medical team was incompetent. Please give us your medical expertise.
They state they delayed the procedure due to the fetus having a heartbeat.

This is what Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton did.

“When a Dallas woman asked a court for approval to end her pregnancy because her fetus was not viable and she faced health risks if she carried it to term, Paxton fought to keep her pregnant. He argued her doctor hadn’t proved it was an emergency and threatened to prosecute anyone who helped her. “Nothing can restore the unborn child’s life that will be lost as a result,” he wrote to the court.”

Based on the Texas attorney generals view on the law. Explain why the medical team was incompetent.
Let’s hear your medical expertise as well as your expertise in Texas law.

I want to hear your medical opinion why the medical team was incompetent
And explain how the Texas attorney general is wrong about the law.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Great. Yet again explain how the Texas medical team was incompetent. Please give us your medical expertise.
They state they delayed the procedure due to the fetus having a heartbeat.

You just answered your own question.

I want to hear your medical opinion why the medical team was incompetent

I weant to hear why she did not seek an abortion in a different state.

 

[jaeger19]

You just answered your own question.

I weant to hear why she did not seek an abortion in a different state.

No I didn’t. Explain your medical reasoning.

I suspect she didn’t seek an abortion at another state because she didn’t know she needed one which is why she went to the Texas hospital.

However.. if Texas law is fine… why should she have to seek an abortion at another state?

 

[MAGAnificent]

I suspect she didn’t seek an abortion at another state because she didn’t know she needed one which is why she went to the Texas hospital.

BS

However.. if Texas law is fine… why should she have to seek an abortion at another state?

The point is she could have. The Texas abortion laws did not kill her.

 

[jaeger19]

BS

The point is she could have. The Texas abortion laws did not kill her.

you do realize that you have no clue right?
You yelp “the medical team was incompetent “ yet you can’t explain why.

You yelp but the problem wasn’t the law.

Yet I cited the ATTORNEY GENERAL DENYING A WOMAN WITH A NON VIABLE FETUS…
An abortion and THREATENING TO PROSECUTE any provider that helped her.

You yelp it wasn’t the Texas law.. but THEN SAY SHE GO TO ANOTHER STATE TO AVOID THE LAW!!!

Everyone objective knows you are wrong dude.
You just can’t admit the truth to yourself!

 

[MAGAnificent]

you do realize that you have no clue right?
You yelp “the medical team was incompetent “ yet you can’t explain why.

You yelp but the problem wasn’t the law.

Yet I cited the ATTORNEY GENERAL DENYING A WOMAN WITH A NON VIABLE FETUS…
An abortion and THREATENING TO PROSECUTE any provider that helped her.

You yelp it wasn’t the Texas law.. but THEN SAY SHE GO TO ANOTHER STATE TO AVOID THE LAW!!!

Everyone objective knows you are wrong dude.
You just can’t admit the truth to yourself!

So emotional! Texas abortion laws did not kill her. She simply did not recieve the best medical care or advice from the medical team in Texas that she sight care from. And once again by your own words: "ATTORNEY GENERAL DENYING A WOMAN WITH A NON VIABLE FETUS…An abortion and THREATENING TO PROSECUTE" What exactly prevented her from seeking an bortion in a different state? Did they put a shock collar around her next that would zap her if she stepped outside Texas borders?

 

[stealthycat]

So I wonder if pro life can defend their position.

Here is a true scenario from my past.

I had a 14 year old patient whose parents couldn’t pay their drug bill. So they gave their 14 year old daughter to the local drug gang.
They raped and abused her for several months. Forced her to take drugs and alcohol. Knocked out her teeth to make ……better. And when they got tired of her they beat her and tossed her down some stairs

She came into our hospital with multiple fxs including an open book fracture of the pelvis that required an external fixator to be placed.
She was addicted,malnourished hiv positive and pregnant.

Pregnancy and carrying a baby to second trimester would likely have dire consequences for her including paralysis or death.

So..for pro life crowd. If she chose abortion is she committing murder and her and her physician should face charges?

Please explain in detail why or why not.

Now here is another point.

Current anti abortion laws would place this patient at risk for paralysis and or death

I am curious if any pro life are willing to respond. I have found that they are willing to chant slogans that “abortion is murder”. But very unable to discuss how anti abortion laws actual work for real patients.

sure an incredible exception to the 900,000 abortions/killing unborn that are done for convenience

I was always for rape/incest/health of mother which are about 1-2% of all abortions - the above you posted would fall into that. Abortion IS killing the unborn child and in this case? the unborn child would be killed if the threat to the mother is as great as you say

I want to know that the parents are in prison for life and the local gangs killed or imprisoned ... you have a victim that should be all the police need to get all of them for life. If I betting? None of them got anything did they ?

 

[Gordy327]

sure an incredible exception to the 900,000 abortions/killing unborn that are done for convenience

What difference does it make why one opts for abortion?

I was always for rape/incest/health of mother which are about 1-2% of all abortions - the above you posted would fall into that. Abortion IS killing the unborn child and in this case? the unborn child would be killed if the threat to the mother is as great as you say

Why does rape & incest get an exception and not abortion for "convenience?" That's a hypocritical position.

 

[stealthycat]

What difference does it make why one opts for abortion?

Why does rape & incest get an exception and not abortion for "convenience?" That's a hypocritical position.

you don't value human life, to you, it doesn't matter when people kill human life or have other human life killed

I'm not like you

that's the difference you will never understand - the value of human life

 

[Gordy327]

you don't value human life, to you, it doesn't matter when people kill human life or have other human life killed

I'm not like you

that's the difference you will never understand - the value of human life

What's the value of human life? That's something you never explain or quantify. Until you do, any assertion of "value" is entirely subjective and otherwise meaningless.

 

[stealthycat]

What's the value of human life? That's something you never explain or quantify. Until you do, any assertion of "value" is entirely subjective and otherwise meaningless.

I have tried with you many times - you just don't value human life and I do.

 

[Gordy327]

I have tried with you many times - you just don't value human life and I do.

Cite where you have explained or quantified the "value" of human life! All you've done is make baseless assertions of "value." You have never actually explained anything! Neither have I mentioned value at all. So that assertion of yours is also a lie!

 

[stealthycat]

Cite where you have explained or quantified the "value" of human life! All you've done is make baseless assertions of "value." You have never actually explained anything! Neither have I mentioned value at all. So that assertion of yours is also a lie!

maybe you should ?

look, you favor women being able to have their unborns killed anytime for any reason - living human life

that's clear what your values are - I know it, you know it

 

[Gordy327]

maybe you should ?

Why? That's not my claim or basis of argument. It's yours. Which you have yet to explain or define. Which is also why your arguments fail.

 

[stealthycat]

Why? That's not my claim or basis of argument. It's yours. Which you have yet to explain or define. Which is also why your arguments fail.

you're hung up on "value of life" .... maybe tell us all here why you place none on babies?

 

[Gordy327]

you're hung up on "value of life" .... maybe tell us all here why you place none on babies?

Speak for yourself! Where have I mentioned value? Oh right, I never did. You have and it's clearly your own hang up. So tell us all what the "value" of human life is!

 

[stealthycat]

Speak for yourself! Where have I mentioned value? Oh right, I never did. You have and it's clearly your own hang up. So tell us all what the "value" of human life is!

"What's the value of human life? That's something you never explain or quantify. Until you do, any assertion of "value" is entirely subjective and otherwise meaningless."

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/can-pro-life-defend-their-position.556562/post-1080804879


you literally just did

 

[Gordy327]

"What's the value of human life? That's something you never explain or quantify. Until you do, any assertion of "value" is entirely subjective and otherwise meaningless."

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/can-pro-life-defend-their-position.556562/post-1080804879


you literally just did

No, I asked what the value of human life is. As usual, you fail to answer and deflect. So your assertion of value means nothing. Since you assert value to human life, then explain this value! Here, I'll even help get you started.

"The value of human life is...."

GO!

 

[stealthycat]

No, I asked what the value of human life is

because you don't know ? or you're wanting me to change your mind on why an unborn human life is unvaluable to you ? We can agree I am never going to change my vierw, would you really be willing toi change yours ?

because I don't think you will - I don't think you can define how you value life either, can you ?

 

[Gordy327]

because you don't know ? or you're wanting me to change your mind on why an unborn human life is unvaluable to you ? We can agree I am never going to change my vierw, would you really be willing toi change yours ?

because I don't think you will - I don't think you can define how you value life either, can you ?

You made the claim of value. So explain or quantify it! Clearly your dodging the challenge yet again, as I knew you would. Do all your talk of "value," and by extension your argument, is nothing more than BS!

 

[stealthycat]

You made the claim of value. So explain or quantify it! Clearly your dodging the challenge yet again, as I knew you would. Do all your talk of "value," and by extension your argument, is nothing more than BS!

I know what value is, most people do

“Shocked” Joss Stone Announces Pregnancy Weeks After Adopting Baby Boy - E! Online

Two weeks after Joss Stone and her husband Cody DaLuz announced that they had welcomed their third baby, a boy named Bear, via adoption, the Grammy winner shared that she is pregnant.

www.eonline.com

what do you think of that article? would you tell them that 11 weeks premature wasn't a baby? would you tell them not to smile? why be happy about something that isn't valuable or loved right ? I'm curious how you read/see people that are pregnant (women and their husbands/families) ... I bet you want to scream at them how stupid they are because the unborn child in her womb? to you there is zero value there - no value, ..... but they very much see the value don't they ?

either you're wrong ... or they are .....

 

[Lursa]

sure an incredible exception to the 900,000 abortions/killing unborn that are done for convenience

No, they're not, unless you think avoiding losing your job, losing an income, risking your health, risking your ability to support your dependents or fulfill obligations to others are "conveniences." Do you? Yes or no? If so, you hold your health and your responsibilities in life very cheaply.

I was always for rape/incest/health of mother which are about 1-2% of all abortions - the above you posted would fall into that. Abortion IS killing the unborn child and in this case? the unborn child would be killed if the threat to the mother is as great as you say

I want to know that the parents are in prison for life and the local gangs killed or imprisoned ... you have a victim that should be all the police need to get all of them for life. If I betting? None of them got anything did they ?

Why cant women get abortions for any need they have? Please explain? That assumes abortion is wrong...who says? What authority? Not the Const, not SCOTUS, not the Bible. So...why do you post your emotional tirades if you have no rational argument beyond your feelings? No one forces women to have abortions, it's a choice...what authority is entitled to deny women a much safer medical procedure?