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I've been clear on my views on killing unborn babies
Why don't you be clear on yours then ?
Your fantasies are bizarre and almost completely wrong. Why do you need to invent such garbage when you could just ask? After you answer my questions with direct, good faith answers of course. They await your attention.
Yes, it's very clear that you're arguments are not based on laws, rights, reason, or even morality...they are simply based on your personal feelings based on your personal experience.
I've been clear on my views on killing unborn babies
Why don't you be clear on yours then ?
You have continuously avoided answering my question, what is the value of human life?" Start by answering that first and then a discussion can continue.oh there have been a lot of my questions he's refused to answer and he and I know why
Another error on your part. I do not go by belief. I answered that question, you're welcome. Now answer mine, what is the value of human life?it sounds to me like what is legal and what isn't drives what you believe
is that true ?
A strawman argument. I said nothing about value. Once again you disingenuously make erroneous presumptions or attribute something to me that I did not say.if you are right and human life has no value ... Why should we give any prenatal care, the unborn has no value anyway right? Extend you "no value" belief and why shouldn't people be able to kill others anytime they want?
explain why a born human has any more value than an unborn ?
To be fair, @Lursa is far beyond me in many regards. But whether anyone is like me or not is irrelevant. Popularity does not motivate me.I don't think you are like Gordy - I don't think anyone here is
In other words, you are led by emotion or feeling.I was pro-abortion a long time - I changed my views with marriage, pregnancies and children, I wasn't too proud to understand I was wrong
Yet you haven't been clear on what the value of human life is. Why is that? Why don't you make it crystal clear for us now!I've been clear on my views on killing unborn babies
Why don't you be clear on yours then ?
He's asking about the value of human life. "Why dont you be clear on yours then?" What is that value?
Until it was inconvenient to your argument, you were willing to compromise on that unborn human "value" and allow their "murder". When you could not articulate your support for that, you just decided to hide from the tough questions and changed your tune.
You have continuously avoided answering my question, what is the value of human life?" Start by answering that first and then a discussion can continue.
Another error on your part. I do not go by belief. I answered that question, you're welcome. Now answer mine, what is the value of human life?
A strawman argument. I said nothing about value. Once again you disingenuously make erroneous presumptions or attribute something to me that I did not say.
To be fair, @Lursa is far beyond me in many regards. But whether anyone is like me or not is irrelevant. Popularity does not motivate me.
In other words, you are led by emotion or feeling.
Yet you haven't been clear on what the value of human life is. Why is that? Why don't you make it crystal clear for us now!
Still waiting for you to answer mine first! Not that I'm expecting you to, as you continuously cowardly dodge it.you see all those questions ? you answered nothing
typical
What's the "value?" That is the question. That's just a mere assertion.lets start with this
life is valuable after birth - do you agree? 1 day old baby is valuable (I don't care about laws/legal, that's irrelevant)
Again, why?admitted you were right - ban all abortions, you're correct, make no exceptions
do you not like that ?
admitted you were right - ban all abortions, you're correct, make no exceptions
do you not like that ?
Pro-lifers obsessed with unborn once born you are on your own, until the fetus reached draft age. (G Carlin)pro forced-birth". They don't really care much about children once they are born.
1. Well if the goal of these abortion laws is to reduce abortion they seem to have failed miserably.sure an incredible exception to the 900,000 abortions/killing unborn that are done for convenience
I was always for rape/incest/health of mother which are about 1-2% of all abortions - the above you posted would fall into that. Abortion IS killing the unborn child and in this case? the unborn child would be killed if the threat to the mother is as great as you say
I want to know that the parents are in prison for life and the local gangs killed or imprisoned ... you have a victim that should be all the police need to get all of them for life. If I betting? None of them got anything did they ?
Do YOU believe a one day old baby is valuable?lets start with this
life is valuable after birth - do you agree? 1 day old baby is valuable (I don't care about laws/legal, that's irrelevant)
Why don't we start at the beginning?lets start with this
life is valuable after birth - do you agree? 1 day old baby is valuable (I don't care about laws/legal, that's irrelevant)
A competent medical team would be made up of Texans planning to move out of Texas because it's not a decent place to practice medicine or medical skills. They would already have quit their jobs, so the hospital could have had these women airlifted to neighboring states because they couldn't receive any treatment for their ailments.Nope. The point is that the Texas abortion laws absolutely did not kill her. An incompeten medical team in Texas did.
And your bringing that up backs up my point. She did have the option to seek an abortion elsewhere.
A competent medical team would have given her better advice.
But embryos aren't babies. Babies aren't just "human life" - they are persons who exhibit living human mind. Embryos aren't persons and don't exhibit that. Why would anyone treat them as equal to babies?you're hung up on "value of life" .... maybe tell us all here why you place none on babies?
Yes. It's terribly important that his first position was a compromise because none of us would compromise and say that, in cases of rape or incest, it would be okay to kill the baby after birth, but he was compromising before birth. That means he did not view the embryo or fetus as equal to the neonate. To him, they absolutely were not the same.He's asking about the value of human life. "Why dont you be clear on yours then?" What is that value?
Until it was inconvenient to your argument, you were willing to compromise on that unborn human "value" and allow their "murder". When you could not articulate your support for that, you just decided to hide from the tough questions and changed your tune.
Where's your explanation for your change from accepting some unborn "murders" to none? Is it murdering a human or not? And what's the value of that human?
Why should there be no exceptions? Why should abortion be restricted at all?yes its killing an unborn human life - you're right, we shouldn't have exceptions. I've always tried to find a bridge, compromises, that would allow for rare situations/examples and yet also protect
maybe you're right - we should have no exceptions
1. Well if the goal of these abortion laws is to reduce abortion they seem to have failed miserably.
“In nearly every state that has banned abortion, the number of women receiving abortions increased between 2020 and the end of 2023, according to the most comprehensive account of all abortions by state since the overturning of Roe v. Wade”
More than likely this is because forcing women to make decisions fast .. makes the lean toward abortion.
For example.. a woman in a state with a fetal heartbeat provision.
Before the ban.. if she came in pregnant but was high risk.. we could tell her , “well we can see how the pregnancy goes” if she wanted to keep the baby.
We could assure her that if during the first 11weeks if something went wrong with the pregnancy or the fetus we could do what was medically indicated including medical abortion.
If she continued into the second trimester and either she or the fetus had problems well we could tell her “ well we can cross that bridge if it comes to that.
Now providers have to tell a patient that their hands can be tied if the fetus develops a heart beat . That’s just fact.
And more than likely faced with having to make a decision fast, women choose abortion.
2.yeah you’ll have to explain this “ abortion for convenience”. That seems to imply that pregnancy is just a minor inconvenience.
Pregnancy has very real consequences. Even in the us with all our money and medical technology roughly 700 to 1200 women die from pregnancy related causes. More suffer blood clots , stroke, paralysis, ectopic pregnancies, heart arrhythmia,MI , pulmonary embolism, blood pressure issues. Back pain , pelvic pain. And then even if it’s a relatively easy pregnancy, the disabling effects of pregnancy cause lost work,difficulty caring for other children or older adults, lost wages and extra expenses.
Pregnancy and developing new life is a major undertaking NOT some minor inconvenience.
3. Our focus was on the patient . I have no idea what happened to her parents or the gang members . I would bet very little because she was kept drugged and beaten and probably was an unreliable witness and no one in the neighborhood would come forward and cross the gang.
Do YOU believe a one day old baby is valuable?
If so , why is it valuable ?
And explain its value.
Why should there be no exceptions? Why should abortion be restricted at all?
Your problems are your own. Don't try to make your problem everyone else's problem!1. the numbers are what they are. To truly end abortion we have to get into the schools and turn the next generation against the idea of killing of unborn babies.
2. "Pregnancy has very real consequences. " ....... yes it does. Killing an innocent human life so a person can have less back pain shouldn't be acceptable
3. that's a huge problem for me
What's it's "value?" What makes it valuable?its a living human life - of course its valuable
And yet you cannot seem to think of any explanation or quantifiable of this so called "value."I can think of exceptionally few laws that do not protect innocent life. I can think of few religions that don't value human life. I can think of few people in general who don't value human life. Its literally part of humanity, valuing our lives and the lives of other
You dont seem like you're trying, since you haven't explained this "value."I can't believe that you don't value human life and I have to try and explain it to you ? Do you not value human life then?
That's for the pregnant woman to decide for herself!kill 'em all when they get in the way, 'eh Gordy ?
Your problems are your own. Don't try to make your problem everyone else's problem!
What's it's "value?" What makes it valuable?
And yet you cannot seem to think of any explanation or quantifiable of this so called "value."
You dont seem like you're trying, since you haven't explained this "value."
That's for the pregnant woman to decide for herself!
Clearly you don't understand. Neither can you seem to explain the value of human life. And then you project onto others.you have an inability to value human life, is that what I'm understanding ?? you constantly seek others to define human life for you. Its .... emotional
AI, really? So you need sn AI to explain your asserion of value because you cannot articulate or explain it yourself? Too funny! Especially since none of that actually explains or quantities the value of human life. It's just more empty assertions with appeals to emotion.AI Overview
Yes, human life is generally considered valuable. Most societies have laws and moral codes that protect human life, and people often go to great lengths to preserve their own lives and the lives of others.
Some say that human life is of unqualified value, and that it cannot be weighed against any other value. Others say that the value of human life is infinite, and that any part of life is of the same worth as any other.
AI Overview
The statement "human life has no value" is generally considered to be a harmful and ethically problematic viewpoint, as most societies and philosophies recognize the inherent worth and dignity of every human life; it is important to remember that every individual has value, regardless of their circumstances.
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